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Hmm...Meghan whateverherlastnameis: Ace Secret Uncoverer! XD
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Rose. XD "Meghan Elise Rose: Ace SecretUncovererGirl!" *snackoo'd*

Is it wrong that I actually found a theme that'd work if somehow the PW cast were fighters and had to chase Dahlia and beat her back into hell? And it's actually a track from a newer Sonic game? XDDD

Here, this is what I'm listening to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAxxQ-PY ... re=related "Boss - Deep Core" from Sonic Rush Adventure.

Anyway, I hope you have hints ready for her, cause you know she only comes on for about an hour each night. XD And having her in two subplots, one right after the other, will be quite slow.
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Haha, XD.

Dahlia should posses everyone. Except Iris, that makes her the odd one out and that way, she gets EVEN MORE attention ^o^

Xero, I'm flicking through my FIre Emblem collection later to find Dahlia-esque stuff XD "Power-hungry Fool"... *shot*
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Hahaha, Dahlia possessing Chris... well, he fears her enough now for it to happen, if it ever does happen... so she could take advantage of his weakness and use him against Meghan. If nothing else, he can make their relationship rockier than Phoenix and Iris's.
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Not Doug. I doubt he'd let her take him over, and besides she Challenged him to beat her XD

Allthough... It'd be interesting if Iris THINKS he's possesed even though he isn't! He's anti-social and mad enough to make her think that :D
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I was having that idea about Stefan as well. XD
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Mm, well I've no objections. It can be Iris and Feenie's subplot.

I was thinking more that it could be the way to start bringing an end to the current madness.
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Haha, well I'm on it. I can be on longer if you want Meghan to be in the *TOP secret* plot.
I think it'll develop Meghan and Chris' relationship nicely, if ya know what I'm saying.

Oh, and Dahlia PM me about it - because I really have no clue whatsoever.
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I'm sorry to have to say that tomorrow night, up until Sunday morning, I won't be able to access the internet. There's a small chance I'll come Saturday night and check up on things, but I cannot promise this.

Can you please take care of Chris when I leave tomorrow, LSH? =\
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Okie doke. I'll be sure to take up Chris' role for you. xD

Oh and about the PM, Chris, I have no idea. Dahlia is gonna clear that up for me.
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Well, I await your reply on the RP itself. I think they either need to deal with Jade or make sure Emi's okay. I'm pretty sure that at least one of them saw Jade trying to talk to Emi and walking off.
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Alright, I'm gone. I trust you, LSH. Do what you feel is best with Chris.

Everyone else, see you Sunday! Try not to exorcise Dahlia TOO fast... ;P
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I wanted Bikini reveal this in a 'ha ha, jokes on you' kind of fashion, but I should probably put it out there now. Bikini lied to Phoenix about the whole soul stretching body taking thing. She knew that Dahlia would be listening to every word she said and she wanted to make her do something stupid. Like try and enter Chris' body so that Bikini can trap her inside. Now Bikini doesn't know that dahlia has two bodies under her control right now, so Emi going nutzo is going to be a total surprise, but it works out in the end anyway since she can only really spread her borrowed power out so far before she gets too weak to fight back.
The only real danger that Chris is in right now is that if he can't keep his soul separated from Dahlia's (you know how when you're doing laundry and your roommates stuff gets all mixed in with yours) then it'll take longer to get Dahlia out later. Not impossible, just difficult. Bikini didn't bring this up because she didn't want Dahlia to know that he best course of action would be to eat Chris' soul and combine it with her own rather than try and force him out. Which even if she tried she actually can't do with the hood locked anyway. No souls go in, no souls go out as long as that hood is there and turned on.

Oh, and what I've been doing with Phoenix was that her plan was to break his soul so that even if he died he wouldn't be able to move on to heaven or hell. He would simply crumble to nothing. Which, as we can see, she's managed to nearly finish. His aura is all cracked and chipping off in spots so he's going to be pretty unstable until Bikini whips out the divine duct tape and sticks him back together.
The experiance has also left him much more sensitive to spirits, as we saw earlier when he could see Dahlia pulling the strings when he touched Chris. He might be able to spot the spirit in Emi too if he can touch her.
I did this mostly to expand on the idea in the games where at the end of certain chapters he could see Mia floating around. These were usually chapters where he'd gone through a large amount of stress. So just imagine what having his soul whacked with a vengeance bat can do to him.
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Such an... intricate plan. o.o If that's the right word to use. You had that thought out from the beginning, didn't you? XD Maybe it was a good thing I told you what I was planning to do with Chris before it happened.
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Not from the beginning, really. More like somewhere in the middle. I basically made the plan when Bikini did, right after Doug called her. It just happened to work out nicely. I don't even plan nearly as much as it seems when I share what's running through my head.

By the way, this is a speculative plan, which is why it only involves the characters that I play. I leave it up to you how your character will fit into it. It's also by no means the law of the plot, if you think any part of it is silly or could be better in any way you're free to say so. I want to keep things democratic around here if I can. Voting is awesome.
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Things are really getting exciting for Gregor! :edgy: It pains me to do this, but I really should disappear for a few hours. If not earlier, I'll be back late tonight. This I promise. Please try not to let too much happen around Emi until then. :butzthumbs:
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Can do! *salute*
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But that means I can't carry on the story until he comes back, and I have to go to bed soon. XD Darn this timezones!
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So I've presented a fourth option for Dahlia. Purification. Purification is sort of my attempt at a happy ending for this arc. Or at least pretty damn close.
The scenario I have in my head now is that the evil gets expelled like normal (think about it like washing a dirty pair of jeans) but since she had borrowed demonic power the evil just sort of mucks up and gains its own half sentient sort of form. While this will likely create all sorts of new plot complications down the line, it also allows Dahlia to repent and not have to spend eternity in hell. Which I'm sure will make Iris very happy.

This is, of course, just one option, and I only presented it for the sake of getting the 'True Ending', if you will, as opposed to the 'Good Ending' where Dahlia repents but still goes to hell to accept her punishment and the 'Bad Ending' where she gets banished and ceases to exist. (Guess which of the endings will make Iris cry?)

EDIT: A little talking with Xero presented a couple of other ideas too. Permanent possession.
I can tell you right now Bikini will not suggest, support, or assist in this scenario, but basically it would mean finding either a willing (or possibly already soul less) host for Dahlia to reside in.

Another would be combination. Bikini will not help with nor suggest this one either. It would do just what it sounds like and combine the souls of two people into one mixing equal parts of both into them. This would, in effect, cease both people from existing and create an entirely new person, and if it doesn't we will likely have a severe case of split personality.

Combination could also be a very unfortunate result of a botching of one of the above endings. The 'Wow-You-Really-Effed-Up-On-That-One Ending'.
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I'm voting for either the 'True Ending' or the 'find another body to permanently possess' idea.

The only problem is that Dahlia's body is pretty much buried. D:
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I'm voting with Xero on this one. Although...do you think Papa Hawthorne would've bothered to arrange a funeral for Dahlia? Could she still be in a morgue? And since we're dealing with the supernatural here, what's to prevent a little bodily regeneration? It's no less possible than resurrection. Now that I think about it...if my theories are plausible, I think I'll place priority on "permanent possession". We could even have her reconcile with Doug or something. I, for one, think that would be über-sweet. :jazzedgy:
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I'm voting with Xero on this one. Although...do you think Papa Hawthorne would've bothered to arrange a funeral for Dahlia? Could she still be in a morgue? And since we're dealing with the supernatural here, what's to prevent a little bodily regeneration? It's no less possible than resurrection. Now that I think about it...if my theories are plausible, I think I'll place priority on "permanent possession". We could even have her reconcile with Doug or something. I, for one, think that would be über-sweet. :jazzedgy:

Question. o.o Remember the fact that her body was taken to the hospital. So, believe it or not, the hospital more than likely buried the body. How would it even be possible for her body to not be, as Sen once put it, 'six feet under'?

And, I've never heard of 'bodily regeneration' before, but if it's a theory that works, I'm all for it. Right now, the idea Chris has is being the body used for the purification, as he really feels sorry for her right now.
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Xero's initial idea was to find Dahlia's old body. My only problem with it was that with the two week span she would have likely been embalmed. The state forces you to take care of such things, and if he didn't even bother to claim the body they would have done it for him. I just can't see a scenario where her body would be available. The creation of an entirely new body seems too supernatural even for Ace Attorney, but then my job here isn't to shoot down ideas. If the majority of the players want Dahlia to return to life somehow then I'll do my darndest to see that it happens.
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If everyone is willing, let's have it happen. Let's not jump into how cliché it will be to resurrect her... I think it'd be interesting, for once, to have a GOOD Dahlia... at least, a mostly good one, if we can contain her spirit somehow. It's just nice to have something different since it's AU, and anything is virtually possible if theorized correctly...
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No way around burial, eh? Aw, spam. Oh well. ... :udgy: ! A new idea just occurred to me. There are accounts (however anecdotal and unsubstantiated) of coffins floating out of their pits that were making the rounds among the Russian Orthodox from Nicholas II's reign. Specifically, I'm referring to Saint Simeon of Verkhoturye. At least one pilgrim was said to have rubbed dirt from the coffin on himself and thus gotten healed or something like that. Admittedly, Simeon's body didn't move, but if previously buried coffins can resurface, throwing in a resurrection doesn't seem like too much of a stretch. It could cause a real stir too if anyone saw it happening. This could have the bonus of drawing one or two of our less active characters into the story a bit. Just a thought.
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I do believe Bikini would have any body acquired in the fashion burned as it sounds horribly unholy. But who said she had to have her old body back? Why not find the body of some poor girl in a coma. The girl will get to wake up (which will make the parents happy) and Dahlia might actually get to have a functioning family and start her life over sans criminal record. She did kill one man and put another in the hospital. Plus returning from the dead will be much harder to explain when you want to reclaim your identity when you have hospital records proving you were dead upon arrival. That just seems like a media massacre waiting to happen.
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Point taken. In fact, I like your idea better. I vote in favor of the coma scenario. And with that said, I go to bed. :phoenix:
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I'm not exactly thrilled with the idea of bringing Dahlia personally, but that's probably cause of my personal beliefs and my idea of the story. I'll go along with whatever gets chosen of course, but Dahlia's been the focus for a very long time and bringing her back permanently keeps the spotlight on her. I don't mind the perfect or Good endings tho. :)
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Xero Wright wrote:
Gregory Wright wrote:
I'm voting with Xero on this one. Although...do you think Papa Hawthorne would've bothered to arrange a funeral for Dahlia? Could she still be in a morgue? And since we're dealing with the supernatural here, what's to prevent a little bodily regeneration? It's no less possible than resurrection. Now that I think about it...if my theories are plausible, I think I'll place priority on "permanent possession". We could even have her reconcile with Doug or something. I, for one, think that would be über-sweet. :jazzedgy:

Question. o.o Remember the fact that her body was taken to the hospital. So, believe it or not, the hospital more than likely buried the body. How would it even be possible for her body to not be, as Sen once put it, 'six feet under'?

I was going to say Dahlia had been cremated; for some reason I really think that's what would have happened in a situation like that. It wouldn't have been immediately, though. The police would have still needed her to finish their investigation of the Dusky Bridge incident to be sure no foul play was involved.

That's why I voted for a time skip of two weeks; it would give time to let everyone recover a bit and to complete the investigation.

Also, Mr. Hawthorne is dead. :gant: I'll explain my theory for that in-game if I get a chance, or I guess I can tell someone if they really want to know.
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I've said my excuses a few too many times. Summing them up;

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Unless we will resurrect Dahlia, Stefan would volunteer for possession, if he was awake. He would probably welcome the spirit anyhow. If you do go down that route, and make Stefan the one to get possessed, ^o^. But I'm away until the 30th... ><
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Oh, I guess I should throw in my two cents about the possible endings.

I'll go with the majority decision, of course, but I'm personally against resurrection and soul fusing. As tempting as the thought of a reformed Dahlia being around is, it's really something that should have been done while she was still alive if at all. Besides, like Gerk said, she along with Nick and Iris have been the center of attention for an awfully long time; I think the other characters should get a chance to move out of the background.
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How dare you suggest that the canon characters (except Doug, who's almost an OC anyway) step into the background? No, joking.

Franzise, I would like to hear your 'Mr. Hawthorne is dead' theory. I would PM this, but the lack of a mouse makes it harder ><
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It's just headcanon and mostly wishful thinking on my part, but...

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Father Hawthorne is a pretty rich guy, and probably reasonably famous. If it became public knowledge that he abandoned his wife and daughter, and his other daughter faked her death, killer her stepsister, etc., his reputation and life would be ruined. So when REDD WHITE found out about all this, he blackmailed Hawthorne out of his riches to keep quiet.

Eventually the combination of losing his fortune and eternally living under White's thumb became too much, so he committed suicide. :yogi:

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Oh... wishful thinking? XD Maybe Dollie did the deed a while back? =O

However, it is a reasonable theory =D
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Did...the deed?

And yeah, wishful thinking. Mr. Hawthorne is a total prick and the thought of him being dead makes me a little happier inside. Image
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Did...the deed?

And yeah, wishful thinking. Mr. Hawthrone is a total prick and the thought of him being dead makes me a little happier inside. Image

Oops. Stupid possbile innuendo.

Although I haven't played T&T (if it ever comes it in Europe.), he sounds like a prick. Why bother having children at all if your going to leave one at a temple, and drive the other to insanity?
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Wow, this game must be pretty spoilerific for you then.

Spoiler: Answer to your question if you want to know
He married Morgan and had her children because she was supposed to be the next head of Kurain and that would give him all sorts of power and influence. At least, that was the plan, but several things ruined it:

Dahlia and Iris were born without the spiritual strength needed to succeed as the future masters
Misty had more spiritual power than Morgan, so when she challenged her sister for leadership, Morgan lost
The DL-6 incident practically ruined the Fey name

When it was apparent he'd never get the power he wanted, he took off with Morgan's children more or less to punish her for "screwing up"; he never actually wanted either of them in the first place.

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Doesn't explain why anyone would want to marrry Morgan, whatever the reason ;)

I spoiled myself on all the games anyway.

And from that, I change his title from 'Papa' to 'Grand Bastard Hawthorne'.
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Spoiler: TaT
Morgan was probably a fairly good, if cold, lady before she got dumped twice. The combination of that, plus the resentment she had towards her sister twisted her love for her daughter into a tangled mess. At least thats my take on the whole thing anyway.

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I'm a fan of the good ending myself, but I'll also go the way of the True Ending if it'll swing votes.

I can see that scenario with Dollie's dad as a real possibility. Her mother, I'm sure, got whatever money was left if she didn't divorce him the second it was gone.
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