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"If you make a timeline of everything Karega did that night, maybe you'll be able to understand what she was trying to do?" Monomi suggested.

"...At this point, everyone has said what they were doing that night, except for Karega and the killer, so adding the killer's actions where you can might help too."
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"Like I said, my theory is that she left the note under the door after being the first to read it." Sakura said. "She left it so that Alchie would still come to the classroom. Though that doesn't explain why she was okay with two people coming to the classroom..."

"I mean...she had to have considered the fact that Alchie would also be there, right? Did she maybe have other plans for Alchie?"
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Sakura nods at Monomi's comment, and pulls out the paper she was using to keep track of the timeline.

21:00 - Karega went to kitchen, took the toaster and left. Solomon, Crimson and Sayako were eating in the cafe then.
00:00 - Water seems to be running.
00:00 - Soccer game begins. Ryuji, Flo, Cesar, Alchie, Van and SiRRen are there.
01:00 - Karega went to the gym, took 2 dumbbells, then left.
01:00 - Karega goes to basement to break the pipe, leaving the toaster to make an electrical trap. She leaves the dumbbells on the step so it'll break when walked on.
01:00 - Alchie leaves to go have a shower, but it isn't working due to Karega's actions. She comes back to referee.
01:00 - Van leaves to go to his room and rest.
01:00 - Jay sees the note Ryuji left and becomes worried.
01:20 - Karega goes to the classroom and waits.
01:30 - Jay goes to the classroom and meets Karega. She tries to recruit him, then knocks him out and takes him tot he art room to hide in the kiln.
02:00 - Solomon can't shower as the water is out.
02:00 - Matt and Charlie begin guarding the corridors.
02:00 - Charlie sees Karega leave the art room, and Matt sees her then head for the classroom.
02:55 - Matt sees Karega leave the classroom and head for the gym.
02:55 - People see Karega at the soccer pitch, though she soon leaves. Matt doesn't see her leave the gym, though.
03:00 - Power goes out. Matt hears a loud crack as the basement step breaks.
03:01 - Matt goes to meet Charlie, then goes back to his post.
03:02 - Subaru sees a figure stagger into the classroom from the gym
03:03 - Subaru hears struggling in the classroom. He doesn't see any light coming through the keyhole.
03:05 - SiRRen leaves the gym and sees Subaru by the classroom door. They agree to meet at 4AM in the cafe.
03:06 - Matt sees Subaru and SiRRen. Subaru heads for cafe, SiRRen for bedrooms.
04:00 - Van and SiRRen go to cafe and meet Subaru there.
04:05 - Body discovery announcement.
04:05 - Jay hears a pair of footsteps in the art room and calls for help, but receives none.
04:06 - Van, Subaru and SiRRen go to classroom. Light can now be seen coming through the keyhole.
04:06 - Van breaks the door down and the body of Karega Shinda is discovered. The room is lit up, the only room to have any light in it.
04:06 - Matt reaches the classroom.
04:06 - A loud noise is heard by Charlie. Possibly the door being broken down?
04:06 - Charlie reaches the classroom.
04:08 - Alchie, Cesar, Ryuji and Flo reach the classroom.
04:10 - Arthur, Crimson, Sakura and Sayako reach the classroom.
04:12 - Solomon reaches classroom. Jay is missing, being in the kiln still.

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"Karega must have put Jay in the kiln. She was seen leaving the art room at 2, half an hour after her meeting with Jay and the subsequent events."
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"If I may add one more thing, she may have gone back to the classroom to see whether either Ryuji or I had appeared there, and when she didn't see us, she could have decided to go to the gym and check. And of course, she found both of us."
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"Karega must have put Jay in the kiln. She was seen leaving the art room at 2, half an hour after her meeting with Jay and the subsequent events."


"Yeah. She chased him out the classroom, knocked him out, then carried him to the kiln." Sakura summarised. "Charlie then saw her leave the art room and head for the classroom, where Matt saw her re-enter."

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"If I may add one more thing, she may have gone back to the classroom to see whether either Ryuji or I had appeared there, and when she didn't see us, she could have decided to go to the gym and check. And of course, she found both of us."


"Maybe, yeah. That would make sense."
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"What could Karega have been doing for about an hour in the classroom..?" Ryuji wondered. "Was she waiting for Alchie?"
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"Here's a more focused version of the timeline." Sakura said, before reading out select lines.

21:00 - Karega went to kitchen, took the toaster and left.
01:00 - Karega went to the gym, took 2 dumbbells, then left.
01:00 - Karega goes to basement to break the pipe, leaving the toaster to make an electrical trap. She leaves the dumbbells on the step so it'll break when walked on.
01:20 - Karega goes to the classroom and waits.
01:30 - Jay goes to the classroom and meets Karega. She tries to recruit him, then knocks him out and takes him to the art room to hide in the kiln.
02:00 - Matt and Charlie begin guarding the corridors.
02:00 - Charlie sees Karega leave the art room, and Matt sees her then head for the classroom.
02:55 - Matt sees Karega leave the classroom and head for the gym.
02:55 - People see Karega at the soccer pitch, though she soon leaves. Matt doesn't see her leave the gym, though.
03:00 - Power goes out. Matt hears a loud crack as the basement step breaks.
03:01 - Matt goes to meet Charlie, then goes back to his post.
03:02 - Subaru sees a figure stagger into the classroom from the gym
03:03 - Subaru hears struggling in the classroom. He doesn't see any light coming through the keyhole.
03:05 - SiRRen leaves the gym and sees Subaru by the classroom door. They agree to meet at 4AM in the cafe.
04:00 - Van and SiRRen go to cafe and meet Subaru there. Subaru tells them what he heard.
04:05 - Van, Subaru and SiRRen go to classroom. Light can now be seen coming through the keyhole. Looking through, they think they see a body inside.
04:05 - Body discovery announcement.
04:05 - Jay hears a pair of footsteps in the art room and calls for help, but receives none.
04:06 - Van breaks the door down and the body of Karega Shinda is discovered. The room is lit up, the only room to have any light in it.
04:06 - Matt reaches the classroom.
04:06 - Charlie smells paint on Matt (?) as she follows after him.
04:06 - Charlie reaches the classroom. Matt no longer smells of paint, but the crime scene does.

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"Nobody other than Karega entered the classroom at that time, did they? Perhaps Karega was setting up the scene for a murder. At 1:30, she could have been interrupted by Jay, and then after everything, she returned. Of course, I'm just saying some possibilities now... I can't think of any preparations that would take over an hour."
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"If I could correct something..."
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04:06 - Van breaks the door down and the body of Karega Shinda is discovered. The room is lit up, the only room to have any light in it.
04:06 - Matt reaches the classroom.
04:06 - A loud noise is heard by Charlie. Possibly the door being broken down?
04:06 - Charlie reaches the classroom.
04:08 - Alchie, Cesar, Ryuji and Flo reach the classroom.
04:15 - Arthur, Crimson, Sakura and Sayako reach the classroom.
04:18 - Solomon reaches classroom. Jay is missing, being in the kiln still.
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(Charlie also said the crime scene smelled like paint)
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[But Charlie said the smell of paint disappeared when she reached the crime scene. I did find it odd, but that's what they said.]
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"After Fake Bear annouced that a body had been discovered, we both ran down the left hallway. I could smell paint while we did. When I arrived at the crime scene, the room smelled like paint, but you didn't, Matt. I'm just trying to figure out why."
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[Ahh. That's sort of what I meant, but yeah, that makes more sense. I'll update the timelines.]
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"Given a bit more time for the memory to sink in," Jay interjected, "Yeah, I'm sure I took the note away. I apologize with all my heart for snooping and I will do my best to restrain myself from now on. My mind wants to justify it as preventing a suspicious meeting. Maybe I was hoping I'd take the fall for whomever was supposed to be there.

"That last part I say because, based on Karega's reaction to my presence and questions, she was NOT expecting me to show up."
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"Is it possible the paint Charlie smelled on the way to the classroom was in the hallway?"
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"Did Matt, Cesar, or Alchie see anything suspicious in the hallways after the murder was announced?"
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"Let's go through Karega's actions." Sakura said.

"At some time before 21:00, Karega finds and reads Ryuji's note, and leaves it under the door."
"At 21:00 she goes to the kitchen to steal a toaster."
"At 1:00 she goes to the gym to steal dumbbells."
"She then uses both these things to set up the basement trap. The pipe is broken, the toaster is plugged in, and the dumbbells are left on the step."
"After this, and before 1:30, she goes to the classroom to wait."
"At 1:30 Jay, unexpectedly, arrives. She tries to recruit him, he refuses, she chases him out the room and knocks him out."
"Karega stuffs Jay into the kiln in the art room."
"At 2:00 Karega leaves the art room again, and returns to the classroom."
"A little before 3:00, she then goes to the soccer pitch in the gym. She leaves soon after the soccer pitch soon after, but not necessarily the gym."

"And then... no-one saw her, conclusively, again. Um... Well, they never saw her alive again..." After all that had been revealed about Karega, Sakura felt less sorry for her, but that didn't make thinking about it any less difficult.
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"If Karega was planning on killing either Ryuji or Alchie in the classroom, why bother setting up the trap in the basement?" SiRReN wondered.
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"Maybe... she planned to kill them both? She'd ask one to go to the basement to cut the power as part of the murder plan, and this person would successfully cut the power by triggering the trap. Then Karega uses the darkness to help kill the other one."
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"I... hm... well I just had a strange thought," Jay stated, clearly still trying to make those gears run at full speed, "Judging by Karega's reaction to my entrance, I'm inclined to believe she was surprised by my arrival. However, I'm beginning to suspect that she wasn't expecting anyone at all. What I mean is: Anyone showing up would have surprised her."

"What do I make of this?" Jay asked rhetorically, "I think Karega never read the note and the planned meeting in there at 01:30 was just an unfortunate coincidence."
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"What makes you say that? She'd be surprised by seeing you, so why should we also assume she'd be surprised by anyone at all?"
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"When you came in, she told you she'd brought the red paint. Presumably she was expecting someone." Sakura added. "Which made me think of something else. If she expected whoever showed up to know about the red paint, then that means someone here actually knows about it. That's no surprise, really, but it means whoever she was expecting is who the killer is. So... who was she expecting to show up at 01:30? The issue is, as best I can tell, she expected two people to show up."
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"Hold on... Is it possible she was intending to fake her own death? That would explain why she was surprised by my arrival. My earliest memory of her speaking in that conversation was, 'I brought the red paint here, too,' while pointing to a red paint can in the shadows. And her last statement about how it's 'more fun to kill than to be the victim'? I assert that means her original plan was to, as she said, be a 'victim,' an opinion which would change upon my--or I suspect anyone else's--arrival."
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"If you could, can you give a full account of what exactly she did and said when you found her?" Sakura asked, stressing the need for precision.
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"Uh, if it's alright, can we hold that question for a bit?" Jay asked, almost pleading, "You see, right now it's like a bad radio signal, phasing in and out. If I can just... tune... it... in a bit more, I will happily tell you exactly what she said. I hate to say it, but there are just too many gaps. 'Ask Again Later' is what I'm trying to say."
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"Okay... Then, back to Karega's other actions. She set up the trap before the classroom meeting." Sakura said. "She did it in response to reading the note. Which means it tied into whatever it was she wanted to be in the classroom for. She also took a can of red paint, it would seem, as part of her plan. Maybe in the hour after 2, she was painting the crime scene to look like blood? We don't actually know when the red paint was applied to the ground, do we?"
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"Argh... dammit, it's no good. It's gone forever, I'm afraid. Like a tape copied and copied and copied. Oh well, here's the final cut."

Jay begins to recount his encounter with Karega, shown to the audience as if it was an old video tape.

The scene opens suddenly. Jay and Karega are standing in the locked classroom opposite one another.
Karega: ...I brought the red paint here too.
She points offscreen. Camera pans to the shadows, revealing said can of red paint.
Jay: I don't get it. Why are you doing this? What's the reasoning?
The feed pops and fizzles for a few seconds, making anything said at this point unintelligible. Sunddely it's clear again.
Karega: ...The ultimate answer to the ultimate question.
Jay (surprised): What? You talked to Monokuma? What did he tell you?
Karega (smiling): Hm... The meaning of life.
Jay (confused): Eh? What's the meaning of life?
Feed cuts to static for seconds at a time, with split-second stills of Jay's face appearing more and more terrified. From this point forward, faint static persists.
Karega (deranged): Now do you understand? It's more fun to kill people than be the victim.
Aggressive zoom out to view of entire room, Jay is off to the side of the shot, with Karega looking as if she'd lost all of her Karega-ness. Resident Evil-style, camera shows Jay run out of the room, down the left hallway, past the café, and into the right hallway. Karega tackles Jay to the ground. Jay tries to fight back but is restrained. As he is struck by a hard-looking object, the feed cuts to black.

((Mod-approved edit: Fixing a minor semantics issue. Karega was indeed "there" at the scene when Jay ran, but "no longer there" mentally.))
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"Hmm," Ryuji said. "W-well, then Jay wasn't knocked out in the classroom but in front of the art room?"
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Solomon nodded at this revelation. "I understand...Monokuma gave the Ultimate question and answer to Karega beforehand, thus prompting her to kill. Does this mean her killer didn't know it then?"

"Oh, and another question arises. Now that we know that Slezak was originally going to be the accomplice but refused, why didn't Karega simply fry him in the kiln?"
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Solomon nodded at this revelation. "I understand...Monokuma gave the Ultimate question and answer to Karega beforehand, thus prompting her to kill. Does this mean her killer didn't know it then?"

"Oh, and another question arises. Now that we know that Slezak was originally going to be the accomplice but refused, why didn't Karega simply fry him in the kiln?"


Ryuji tilted his head. "O-One thing confuses me about the kiln thing. K-Karega could have easily fried Slezak well before the power went out, so the question is why she let him live. B-Because let's assume that Karega was going to kill someone after knocking out Slezak, that would work against her because Slezak would have remembered it was Karega who attacked him."

Ryuji put stuffed his hands into his pockets and went into thought. "D-Did she hear Charlie outside..?"
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Sol nodded. "Oh yeah, and another thing. Karega had planned to fake her own death, right? But, well, here's the thing. She wasn't sitting on any blood, OR paint. It was all on top of her. If it was paint, it was definitely poured on, most likely by the killer. If it was blood....it was messy. If you don't believe me, ask Van."
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Jay piped up, "Uh, faking her death was a speculative theory of mine based on very spotty memories. I'd appreciate it if we could forget I said that... unless we can come up with some definitive proof. Thanks." He was ashamed that his true revelations had become mixed up with his speculation.

"No, the kiln was not turned on; it was just really warm because it was a stuffy metal box.

No, the kiln was not locked; I was just so tightly-packed I couldn't move to a position to be able to open it.

Karega may have read the note after all, but she was definitely surprised to see anyone show up at 01:30, which is why I speculated she could possibly not have.

Finally, I have no idea what the red paint was for. I'd speculate more, but I'd just muddy the waters yet again..."
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"The red A though, we had concluded it was meant to frame Alchie," said Flo. She tilted her head in confusion.

"I don't suppose you remember if it was there on not then Jay… And like people have stated, we can guess Karega was here because she read the note and put it back… which would mean had Jay not stolen it, Alchie should have read it and would've walked in on Karega attacking Ryuji. Or she may have even arrived before Ryuji did. And at the very very least, she should have expected Ryuji to show up."
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Sol shook his head, "But, as we saw, Alchie didn't get the letter. So she wouldn't have come, and wouldn't be framed. And we wouldn't have even figured out if that letter was originally sent to her."
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"The red A though, we had concluded it was meant to frame Alchie," said Flo. She tilted her head in confusion.

"I don't suppose you remember if it was there on not then Jay… And like people have stated, we can guess Karega was here because she read the note and put it back… which would mean had Jay not stolen it, Alchie should have read it and would've walked in on Karega attacking Ryuji. Or she may have even arrived before Ryuji did. And at the very very least, she should have expected Ryuji to show up."


"W-Well," Ryuji said. "Maybe Jay showing up wasn't unexpected for Karega. When Karega picked up the note under Alchie's door, she only knew one thing: that it was directed to Alchie because of where the note was left."

Ryuji scratched his head, and continued.

"But since there was no name on the note, she didn't know who wrote the letter. So she could have safely assumed that Jay was the one who wrote the letter. Then Karega would only be expecting the writer of the letter and the person it was directed to."

Ryuji then closed his eyes.

"With that conclusion, maybe we can assume Karega wasn't going to kill anyone..? Because if she wanted to, she could have very easily killed Jay. Either in the classroom or in the art room. Because Karega spared Jay, whoever she meant to lure into the classroom wasn't going to die."
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Solomon frowned. "Why Jay only? For all she knew, it could've been anyone else. Though I believe her suspicion was confirmed when Jay showed up."
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Solomon frowned. "Why Jay only? For all she knew, it could've been anyone else. Though I believe her suspicion was confirmed when Jay showed up."


"I-I'm just using Jay because he's the one who pocketed the note and showed up," Ryuji said. "At the time she picked up the note, Karega obviously didn't know who wrote the letter, but when Jay arrived, it's very likely that Karega thought he was the one who wrote the letter. Which again, makes it stranger that she didn't kill Jay. M-Meaning it's possible her intention was not murder."

"R-Remember, Karega didn't know Jay pocketed the note, so she didn't know Jay was an extra person. Y'know, who wasn't Alchie or the one who wrote the note."

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Karega may have read the note after all, but she was definitely surprised to see anyone show up at 01:30, which is why I speculated she could possibly not have.


Arthur mused. "I'm confused-- I think I'd like to clarify something. We seem to be working under the assumption that Jay was the only person to have read the note-- that he stole the note from under Miss Elwyn's door, and that means only he and Ryuji knew its contents."

"But then, why was Karega in the classroom to begin with? Isn't the other assumption we're working under that Karega was trying to lure her victim there?" said Arthur. "Karega must have used the note, I think, to lure someone to the classroom."

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"But since there was no name on the note, she didn't know who wrote the letter. So she could have safely assumed that Jay was the one who wrote the letter. Then Karega would only be expecting two people."


"If that's the case, then Karega could have killed Jay, but she didn't. Maybe she was trying to convince Jay to kill whoever it was he invited to the classroom. Or maybe even Karega herself."
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"Ohh, of course. Yes of course, she thought Jay wrote the letter cause he was the one who showed up at the appointed time. And she could've killed him but didn't for whatever reason. So maybe she was trying to make Jay her accomplice…"
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