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"So now it's... Wyn, Zachary, Allister, Mickey, Archer, and Asher. Though... I'm still not sure that Asher belongs on this list, honestly. I can't prove it, but..."
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"Another thing I think is worth mentioning," says Robin, "is that Mickey visited Lucine the night Lucine died in the first time-loop. - and Jackie claims that he visited Lucine the night she died in the third time-loop as well." She turns to Mickey. "What do you have to say about that?"
"As I said in our little tea party, that wasn't me in the third time-loop. It's probably because I visited Luce the first time that Vincent disguised as me that time."
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"As I said in our little tea party, that wasn't me in the third time-loop. It's probably because I visited Luce the first time that Vincent disguised as me that time."
"My thinking exactly," Bertram agreed. "Not to mention we already know that Mickey - somehow - is knowledgeable enough to heal people. That doesn't strike me as the ability of a witch."
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"I suppose it's time we vote for the rest of her tribe, now. I will place my vote for Asher, considering he is among the few I have not investigated, and seems like he could have been behind Lucine's death."
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"Though speaking of my family..." He rounded on Asher.
"If Lippy saw Zach the night he died in the dream do nothing. Then surely this means someone else drew that circle, it'd mean someone else had to be alive right?" He smiled slightly at his boy "Now I'm not saying you are a witch, but if you were still alive then that means either Bertram or James could have done the circle, care to explain if that's the case?"
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"I- , Lucine is the Golden Witch? How utterly disturbing... What sort of twisted family have I gotten myself entwined in?" Wyn scowls.
"I suppose it's time we vote for the rest of her tribe, now. I will place my vote for Asher, considering he is among the few I have not investigated, and seems like he could have been behind Lucine's death."
"I suppose it's time we vote for the rest of her tribe, now. I will place my vote for Asher, considering he is among the few I have not investigated, and seems like he could have been behind Lucine's death."
"You have no heart, do you?" Violet claims. "Don't worry, we knew it was all about money from the start."
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Datamatt wrote:
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"I- , Lucine is the Golden Witch? How utterly disturbing... What sort of twisted family have I gotten myself entwined in?" Wyn scowls.
"I suppose it's time we vote for the rest of her tribe, now. I will place my vote for Asher, considering he is among the few I have not investigated, and seems like he could have been behind Lucine's death."
"I suppose it's time we vote for the rest of her tribe, now. I will place my vote for Asher, considering he is among the few I have not investigated, and seems like he could have been behind Lucine's death."
"You have no heart, do you?" Violet claims. "Don't worry, we knew it was all about money from the start."
"Money? If it was about the money I would have married your uncle." Wyn scoffs. "...just kidding, of course..."
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Robin shakes her head. "Another mystery here is how Zach died. He was seen visiting no one the night he died in the first time-loop. Twilip's not a witch, and... I can't see how Bertram, Basil, or James could have done it. Someone else had to be alive to conjure that magic circle. So... Someone had to be able to fake their death." She gives Asher a complicated look. "I don't want it to be true, but... Asher, could it have been anyone else?"
"I agree with that theory so I'll be voting for Asher."
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“Someone else had to have faked their death. That’s the only reasonable explanation I can think of. Either that, or the circle was delayed—which I think is confirmed to have been impossible—or placed there beforehand. Who could’ve done that, I’m not sure. But I was dead the whole time. Think about it—I killed people with a knife by either slitting their throat or stabbing them. I slit Billy’s throat both times, and I stabbed Aunt Twilip to death. There was none of that in the first arc.”
“I had to kill one person with a knife by the time the third twilight rolled around during each subsequent twilight. So third, fourth, and fifth, I had to choose someone to kill by slitting their throat or stabbing them. I... I couldn’t choose NOT to kill with that method. The only reason no one died from me during the final twilight of the third arc is because I targeted Allister, who ran away. Archer copied my ability to kill Wyn. And before you go all ‘Oh, but Asher, you could’ve inherited the killing power!’ on me, don’t. Lucine was still alive by the time my body was discovered, and I was truly dead the whole time. Of course, you only have my word on that...”
He shook his head and let out a disdainful sigh.
“If you really want to waste your votes on me and throw away the rest of our guesses, fine. But that’s my defense. Flimsy, yes, but also true. Still, though, if you aren’t swayed and want to vote for me anyway, I hope you’re ready to lose, because I am not allied with those psychopathic witches,” he elucidated, glancing over to Lucine.
“No offense, cousin,” he sneered.
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"I have a hard time believing that there could be multiple fake deaths. But that could be possible..."
"We haven't investigated you, so all we know about your power is what you have told us. Asher, if you were to play the part of a witch, would you not lie about your power to confuse us? Would you not lie about being forced to kill each night?" Archer asks.
"I don't see any other option. I will be voting for Asher."
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Twilip gestures to Lucine. "Hmmm. I don't suppose you can magic up Asher's death during the first massacre and let us examine the body again? Wait. Doubtful you'd even be honest with a recreation like that."
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She shudders at the thought.
"It - it would explain why your corpse attacked Allister, anyway. But..." Her gaze shifts to the matriarch. "Gloria, you were reanimated, too, to attack us. Is it possible for the witches to do that to someone else, too?"
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Twilip scratches her head. "Okay so I was way off... But it's evident that Lucine must've been killed by having her power redirected one way or another... This would narrow it down to Archer who can swap or those with powers we can't quite confirm like Asher..."
"Both times Lucine has died my actions were confirmed, and uninvolved." Archer says calmly.
"The first time, I had swapped Wyn with Bertram. He can confirm this. The second time, in the final act, I had swapped Basil with Robin. Because of the ability stealing, we can confirm this as well."
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"Look, could you maybe just save us the stress and tell us who the rest of your gang is? We could make some kind of deal. Besides, we've already pinpointed their leader... What's the point of hanging on? I'm sure we can reach a reasonable compromise, dearie..."
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"It - it would explain why your corpse attacked Allister, anyway. But..." Her gaze shifts to the matriarch. "Gloria, you were reanimated, too, to attack us. Is it possible for the witches to do that to someone else, too?"
"Oh! Honey, that wasn't me! I was dead and nobody can use their actions on me! I hope that explains why she wasn't quite as beautiful and shot you all with a shotgun."
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"Ash, I won't be the one to vote for you, because I trust you. We've been through... through so much, that I-- I just can't believe you'd do this to me. It looks really bad for you, so please let me be right in abstaining from this."
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"It - it would explain why your corpse attacked Allister, anyway. But..." Her gaze shifts to the matriarch. "Gloria, you were reanimated, too, to attack us. Is it possible for the witches to do that to someone else, too?"
"Oh! Honey, that wasn't me! I was dead and nobody can use their actions on me! I hope that explains why she wasn't quite as beautiful and shot you all with a shotgun."
"So... Just to be clear, it's impossible for anyone who is dead to use their twilight actions?" Robin pressed. "There is no witch with the power to make that happen?"
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“And... another thing I thought of. If I wasn’t really dead, why did I go after Allister? Why did I let myself be so easily discovered? Why did I let myself be tackled to the ground without putting up any defense?”
He looked towards Gloria.
“Grandmother, if there’s truly no power that allows the dead to act again... how did my corpse go after Allister during the first arc? How did... whoever that was attack us with a shotgun, then?”
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“Grandmother, if there’s truly no power that allows the dead to act again... how did my corpse go after Allister during the first arc? How did... whoever that was attack us with a shotgun, then?”
"Sweetie, you were shot at by someone wearing my hat! I don't think it gets much simpler than that. As for your corpse? Someone must have put it there, baby!"
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“Gloria, I have question too. If witch target themselves, would observers actually notice ‘visit?’ It seem weird that one could ‘visit’ yourself, since you are yourself. And I don’t think we’ve ever seen someone do that before.”
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“Gloria, I have question too. If witch target themselves, would observers actually notice ‘visit?’ It seem weird that one could ‘visit’ yourself, since you are yourself. And I don’t think we’ve ever seen someone do that before.”
"You can visit yourself, Billy! Well, you can't, not unless you had Archer or someone to help you! But it's definitely been done before."
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“It just feel like Asser more useful to witches than mortals. Only thing he give mortals is knowledge from dead world. But for witches he can pull off huge tricks like what we think happen in Arc 1 to ruin everything. And most of his confirmed kills seem more helpful for witches than mortals. Maybe I wrong, but just something to think about.”
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"Mum, say the Golden Witch died, her power is passed onto another. Do the witches operate in a hierarchy? Does this go in a set pattern? Would the second in command always inherit the power then the third and so on?"
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"I still believe that Zachary is the one who killed himself at the end of the story meaning... By the time of the fifth twilight during arc 1 the only people alive at the time were myself, Zachary, Bertram, Basil, and James. No one else came back to life or anything during that time to add to the number of living. If you aren't willing to work with that then try this one. Asher died without a doubt on the second twilight of arc 1."
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Twilip sighs in frustration. "I don't know anything about death evidence though. I can't recall if anyone found anything of note about his body when died arc 1." She pauses for a moment as she looks towards the ceiling.
"Hey Zach? You examined most of the bodies during that time right?"
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"I know that witches would lie, but I'm not a witch, so I'll be truthful. My role only allowed me to fake my own death, and not others. Think about it -- if I had been able to drug other people to make it seem like they were dead, I would do it a lot more often so they could gather information from the afterlife and come back when they were ready. And besides that, they'd be able to fly under the radar from the witches, too."
He held up a finger.
"'But Asher, what if you could only fake one other person's death per arc?'" he fake questioned in a mocking high-pitched tone of voice. "Simple. I likely would've chosen someone during the first twilight each arc, though admittedly, I did fake my own death during the first twilight of the third arc."
Letting out a frustrated groan, he leaned back in his chair.
"I think the reason it worked on Father was because I couldn't have killed anyone when Aunt Twilip used my power on him. It was during the second twilight of the first arc, and as you all know, I don't start killing until the third. So naturally, she used the drug I concocted for myself on him, thus leading to his fake death. Had she copied my ability on the third twilight or any twilight beyond that, she would have likely killed Father instead of drugging him. Another thing to note was that during the second twilight of the first arc, I did try to fake my own death. At the same time, Aunt Twilip decided to use my ability on Father. Perhaps that also factors in as to how he managed to fake his own death, albeit unwittingly."
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"1: Asher is the witch-aligned mortal. His ability to fake death does nothing for mortals, who are deceived by it, while only helping witches, who know for a fact that they didn't kill him.
"2: Asher can use his death-faking ability on other people. This is a reasonable conclusion from Twilip's actions. When she used my ability on Wyn, Wyn still died; would it not be the same for Asher? Twilip was only able to fake Basil's death because Asher's ability can be used on other people to begin with.
"3: Asher faked Lucine's death in the third twilight of the first cycle. Lucine's death was an 'extra' death in terms of the circle's capabilities, and she cannot kill herself in any case. Therefore, perhaps she never died at all.
"4: Lucine was the one to place the circle that killed Zachary. This would still result in a mortal victory, would still mean Basil, James and I are confirmed mortals, and would also work with Asher being a mortal (albeit witch-aligned).
"This theory would explain a lot, though unfortunately I cannot see how Asher could have been alive to use his ability on Lucine in the third twilight."
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"Anyway, regarding recent theories... It doesn't seem like Zachary could be a witch either. So it seems the only possibilities for who placed the magic circle at the end of the story have to be Asher and Lucine. The problem is it seems likely Lucine could have placed the circle with Asher's assistance, which... doesn't exactly open any possibilities for who the other witches could be since it's likely he's a W.A.M. And it also opens the mystery of how Asher managed to survive till the third twilight of the story. " He shook his head. "Plus, if we're assuming Asher is a witch-aligned mortal, it still doesn't provide us an explanation for how Lucine died on the first night in our reality (A/N: Arc 3). Even if we assume he's lying about being to kill early, he seems to be correct about being only able to kill with a knife, which Lucine most certainly wasn't. So there's clearly some other method we're missing here, perhaps regarding one of the other witch's abilities. Not to mention... if he's a W.A.M, what does that make that cretin?" He glanced at Vincent.
He let out a sigh. "To be honest, I'm unsure who could be a witch among those two... frankly, at this point I have more confidence in Allister being a witch at this point than either of them. His ability doesn't seem useful, not to mention Archer seems to have been helping us from the start with his swapping so I sincerely doubt he could be a witch."
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"I'm mostly summarising other people's theories here, but how about this?" Bertram began.
"1: Asher is the witch-aligned mortal. His ability to fake death does nothing for mortals, who are deceived by it, while only helping witches, who know for a fact that they didn't kill him.
"2: Asher can use his death-faking ability on other people. This is a reasonable conclusion from Twilip's actions. When she used my ability on Wyn, Wyn still died; would it not be the same for Asher? Twilip was only able to fake Basil's death because Asher's ability can be used on other people to begin with.
"3: Asher faked Lucine's death in the third twilight of the third arc. Lucine's death was an 'extra' death in terms of the circle's capabilities, and she cannot kill herself in any case. Therefore, perhaps she never died at all.
"4: Lucine was the one to place the circle that killed Zachary. This would still result in a mortal victory, would still mean Basil, James and I are confirmed mortals, and would also work with Asher being a mortal (albeit witch-aligned).
"This theory would explain a lot, though unfortunately I cannot see how Asher could have been alive to use his ability on Lucine in the third twilight."
"1: Asher is the witch-aligned mortal. His ability to fake death does nothing for mortals, who are deceived by it, while only helping witches, who know for a fact that they didn't kill him.
"2: Asher can use his death-faking ability on other people. This is a reasonable conclusion from Twilip's actions. When she used my ability on Wyn, Wyn still died; would it not be the same for Asher? Twilip was only able to fake Basil's death because Asher's ability can be used on other people to begin with.
"3: Asher faked Lucine's death in the third twilight of the third arc. Lucine's death was an 'extra' death in terms of the circle's capabilities, and she cannot kill herself in any case. Therefore, perhaps she never died at all.
"4: Lucine was the one to place the circle that killed Zachary. This would still result in a mortal victory, would still mean Basil, James and I are confirmed mortals, and would also work with Asher being a mortal (albeit witch-aligned).
"This theory would explain a lot, though unfortunately I cannot see how Asher could have been alive to use his ability on Lucine in the third twilight."
"I... have some thoughts about this theory," Robin chimes in. "Not that I think it's wrong, necessarily, but if it's true, it should hold up under scrutiny."
"To the first point, Asher faking his own death has the potential to be greatly beneficial to the mortals. The witches may simply assume he was killed by a fellow mortal - and if they suspect he is actually alive, they have no way to prove it without giving away that they know who the witches actually killed. Asher's death in the third time-loop was faked, and it was a very convincing fake. So if the witches either don't realize or can't reveal that he's actually alive, that leaves him available to start killing them in retaliation. His power has the potential to be greatly helpful for either side.
"Your second point... I have to wonder how the fake deaths manifest. Asher's death at the start of the third time-loop was very much faked, but it looked utterly convincing. Meanwhile, Twilip's faking of Basil's death had the obvious tell of the stitched mouth.
"Also, we've seen Asher's ability used by other people after the third twilight. It's how Archer was able to murder Wyn in the third time-loop. Asher has murdered people himself as early as the third twilight. If someone had used his ability on Lucine in the third twilight of the first time-loop, then not only would she appear to have had a slit throat - she would actually be dead."
Robin is practically pacing in circles now. "I think that Asher's power was not used to fake Lucine's death in the first time-loop - someone remained alive some other way. Either he faked his own death; he faked someone else's on or before the second twilight; or someone else's ability was used to ensure someone survived to the fifth twilight.
"We also know that when someone is fake-dead, they can still use their abilities without revealing themselves to be alive. If Asher was a witch ally and fake-dead in the first time-loop, wouldn't it make sense for him to start killing off mortals and secure a witch victory? The mortals would have had no idea it was him.
"Thanks to Twilip, we know that it's possible for someone besides Asher to use his ability to fake someone's death. Twilip can copy his ability onto someone else; Briggs can steal it for himself; and if Billy redirected Asher onto himself the night Asher attempted to fake his own death, what would happen? Would Billy fake his own death, leaving Asher alive?"
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