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"I... have some thoughts about this theory," Robin chimes in. "Not that I think it's wrong, necessarily, but if it's true, it should hold up under scrutiny."
"To the first point, Asher faking his own death has the potential to be greatly beneficial to the mortals. The witches may simply assume he was killed by a fellow mortal - and if they suspect he is actually alive, they have no way to prove it without giving away that they know who the witches actually killed. Asher's death in the third time-loop was faked, and it was a very convincing fake. So if the witches either don't realize or can't reveal that he's actually alive, that leaves him available to start killing them in retaliation. His power has the potential to be greatly helpful for either side.
"Your second point... I have to wonder how the fake deaths manifest. Asher's death at the start of the third time-loop was very much faked, but it looked utterly convincing. Meanwhile, Twilip's faking of Basil's death had the obvious tell of the stitched mouth.
"Also, we've seen Asher's ability used by other people after the third twilight. It's how Archer was able to murder Wyn in the third time-loop. Asher has murdered people himself as early as the third twilight. If someone had used his ability on Lucine in the third twilight of the first time-loop, then not only would she appear to have had a slit throat - she would actually be dead."
Robin is practically pacing in circles now. "I think that Asher's power was not used to fake Lucine's death in the first time-loop - someone remained alive some other way. Either he faked his own death; he faked someone else's on or before the second twilight; or someone else's ability was used to ensure someone survived to the fifth twilight.
"We also know that when someone is fake-dead, they can still use their abilities without revealing themselves to be alive. If Asher was a witch ally and fake-dead in the first time-loop, wouldn't it make sense for him to start killing off mortals and secure a witch victory? The mortals would have had no idea it was him.
"Thanks to Twilip, we know that it's possible for someone besides Asher to use his ability to fake someone's death. Twilip can copy his ability onto someone else; Briggs can steal it for himself; and if Billy redirected Asher onto himself the night Asher attempted to fake his own death, what would happen? Would Billy fake his own death, leaving Asher alive?"
"To the first point, Asher faking his own death has the potential to be greatly beneficial to the mortals. The witches may simply assume he was killed by a fellow mortal - and if they suspect he is actually alive, they have no way to prove it without giving away that they know who the witches actually killed. Asher's death in the third time-loop was faked, and it was a very convincing fake. So if the witches either don't realize or can't reveal that he's actually alive, that leaves him available to start killing them in retaliation. His power has the potential to be greatly helpful for either side.
"Your second point... I have to wonder how the fake deaths manifest. Asher's death at the start of the third time-loop was very much faked, but it looked utterly convincing. Meanwhile, Twilip's faking of Basil's death had the obvious tell of the stitched mouth.
"Also, we've seen Asher's ability used by other people after the third twilight. It's how Archer was able to murder Wyn in the third time-loop. Asher has murdered people himself as early as the third twilight. If someone had used his ability on Lucine in the third twilight of the first time-loop, then not only would she appear to have had a slit throat - she would actually be dead."
Robin is practically pacing in circles now. "I think that Asher's power was not used to fake Lucine's death in the first time-loop - someone remained alive some other way. Either he faked his own death; he faked someone else's on or before the second twilight; or someone else's ability was used to ensure someone survived to the fifth twilight.
"We also know that when someone is fake-dead, they can still use their abilities without revealing themselves to be alive. If Asher was a witch ally and fake-dead in the first time-loop, wouldn't it make sense for him to start killing off mortals and secure a witch victory? The mortals would have had no idea it was him.
"Thanks to Twilip, we know that it's possible for someone besides Asher to use his ability to fake someone's death. Twilip can copy his ability onto someone else; Briggs can steal it for himself; and if Billy redirected Asher onto himself the night Asher attempted to fake his own death, what would happen? Would Billy fake his own death, leaving Asher alive?"
"If the point was to deceive the witches, why make his death look like witch handiwork?" Bertram asked. "Basil had a fake smile stitched onto him, and in the third cycle Asher looked like he was just another victim of the shotgun massacre. If the intention is to trick the witches into thinking he was killed by a mortal, this is not the way to go about it. It just causes more mortal confusion.
"I don't see how your second point contradicts mine. Twilip is a mortal, her work was comparatively shoddy. Basil was found dead in a room entirely separate from where the witch-related deaths were found. Asher, meanwhile, was found with the other witch-related deaths, and if Lucine's death was faked, so was she when we found her next to Mickey.
"In the second cycle, Asher did indeed fake his death in the third twilight. Well, he faked his death and then succumbed to poison anyway... but the point remains. His mouth was sewn into a smile and all. Perhaps Asher lied about 'needing' to kill someone every twilight: admitting that it was mandatory allowed him to get away with murder, after all. Regardless, the point remains that Asher could well have faked Lucine's death in the third twilight, at least so long as we disregard the issue of his death."
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"Archer swapped Asher and Allister A1T2. However, since Allister outruns actions, the swap was delayed.
"On A1T3, the world tried to reconcile itself. Archer's swap went off, and-wait a minute!
"The world would've tried to go back to the way it was if Archer's swap had succeeded T2, right? Thus, Asher wouldn't have been the target of the second witch kill; Allister would! We have precedent for this because Allister was the witch target A2T1 but survived until T2.
"But Allister didn't die A1T3. Why? Because Asher's death wasn't a witch kill; it was faked!
"But hm . . . then we run into a strange issue. Asher needs to target himself to fake his death, right? But the swap would've meant he'd actually targeted Allister with his fake death power. So . . . um . . . Asher's 'action' against Allister would've been delayed to T3, which . . . explains the zombie Asher incident . . . ? But then once that all resolves, we're left with a question: What happened to the second witch kill T2? Or maybe I'm missing something here.
"Anyway, that's my theory. Sorry it didn't seem to come to a satisfying conclusion." He sighed as he continued to mull it over.
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"I feel like there proof that Asser fake death hidden in Arthur's swap, but it hard to know it would have interacted with Allitter's super-speed skills."
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"There is the possibility of powers which could not be used until a certain twilight, though!"
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"Let me work through a theory here," Zachary began, rubbing his chin as he posited,
"Archer swapped Asher and Allister A1T2. However, since Allister outruns actions, the swap was delayed.
"On A1T3, the world tried to reconcile itself. Archer's swap went off, and-wait a minute!
"The world would've tried to go back to the way it was if Archer's swap had succeeded T2, right? Thus, Asher wouldn't have been the target of the second witch kill; Allister would! We have precedent for this because Allister was the witch target A2T1 but survived until T2.
"But Allister didn't die A1T3. Why? Because Asher's death wasn't a witch kill; it was faked!
"But hm . . . then we run into a strange issue. Asher needs to target himself to fake his death, right? But the swap would've meant he'd actually targeted Allister with his fake death power. So . . . um . . . Asher's 'action' against Allister would've been delayed to T3, which . . . explains the zombie Asher incident . . . ? But then once that all resolves, we're left with a question: What happened to the second witch kill T2? Or maybe I'm missing something here.
"Anyway, that's my theory. Sorry it didn't seem to come to a satisfying conclusion." He sighed as he continued to mull it over.
"Archer swapped Asher and Allister A1T2. However, since Allister outruns actions, the swap was delayed.
"On A1T3, the world tried to reconcile itself. Archer's swap went off, and-wait a minute!
"The world would've tried to go back to the way it was if Archer's swap had succeeded T2, right? Thus, Asher wouldn't have been the target of the second witch kill; Allister would! We have precedent for this because Allister was the witch target A2T1 but survived until T2.
"But Allister didn't die A1T3. Why? Because Asher's death wasn't a witch kill; it was faked!
"But hm . . . then we run into a strange issue. Asher needs to target himself to fake his death, right? But the swap would've meant he'd actually targeted Allister with his fake death power. So . . . um . . . Asher's 'action' against Allister would've been delayed to T3, which . . . explains the zombie Asher incident . . . ? But then once that all resolves, we're left with a question: What happened to the second witch kill T2? Or maybe I'm missing something here.
"Anyway, that's my theory. Sorry it didn't seem to come to a satisfying conclusion." He sighed as he continued to mull it over.
She blinks at Zach. "I... If we can assume Allister's power is the same as mine, but in reverse, then whatever would have happened to Allister on the night he was targeted would take place the following night.
"If Asher attempted to fake his own death but accidentally faked Allister's instead, I'd think Allister would have appeared to die the following night, regardless of whether Asher was actually killed or not... Unless something else happened that intervened with that flow of events?"
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UkuleleLady wrote:
"I've been rambling," says Robin. "Bertram, the most important point I think I can make is that Asher has killed on the third twilight before. His ability switches between faking death and committing murder - and the murders begin on the third twilight. How is it possible, then, that his power was used to fake Lucine's death on the third twilight? Either we fundamentally misunderstand Asher's powers, or there was some other way someone survived that time-loop."
"As I said, we know for a fact he faked his death in the third twilight of the second cycle," Bertram pointed out.
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"I think we should say what we did in the third encounter. We've already gone over the first and second ones so I think we should go over the third one to keep our information more organised. I only managed to poison one person which was Zach but he got lynched before the poison could take effect." said James.
"I was visited by Maurice, then no-one, then no-one, then Maurice, then no-one again. Though the third twilight was unusual, as I was visited by a delayed Maurice which was a very unusual experience. He was there, but also not there at the same time..."
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"On first Twilight, I target [Lucine], redirecting at least one witch kill to me.
"On second Twilight, I target [Vincent]. Due to [Archer] shenanigans, he end up visiting [Twilip].
"On third Twilight, I target [Allister]. Nothing happen here, and then [Asher] kill me in cold blood."
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1. Attempted to visit Bertram. Seemed to have succeeded as I was seen.
2. Attempted to visit Bertram again. Briggs delayed me however so I ended up visiting nobody at all.
3. Attempted to visit Basil this time. Due to the swap however I ended up visiting Twilip, and thanks to the delay from earlier I also ended up visiting Bertram simultaneously.
4. Attempted to visit Bertram. Was seen again.
2. Attempted to visit Bertram again. Briggs delayed me however so I ended up visiting nobody at all.
3. Attempted to visit Basil this time. Due to the swap however I ended up visiting Twilip, and thanks to the delay from earlier I also ended up visiting Bertram simultaneously.
4. Attempted to visit Bertram. Was seen again.
"After this I sadly got lynched, so it ends there", Maurice concluded. "That said, if I had survived I would have gone to visit Asher next to avoid being targeted by him... So I would have most likely died in the end anyhow."
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"As I said, we know for a fact he faked his death in the third twilight of the second cycle," Bertram pointed out.
"I delayed Asher on the second twilight, when he tried to fake his death. Recall that he managed to fake his death and kill someone on the same night - that was my doing."
Robin clears her throat.
Arc 3, Night 1: Delayed Zachary.
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Night 1
"I stalked Zach, his survival made him pretty suspicious coupled with the circumstances in the story I felt he should be watched." Basil shrugged "But Robin stunned him that night so nothing happened with him."
Night 2
"The following night I kept an eye on Vincent. He wandered over to see Lippy that night."
Night 3
"Sadly a night I didn't survive." He gave Lucine a dirty look "But I saw Lippy visit Archer then swap myself and her around."
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“Hey mooooooooom?” Uncle Billy asked, evoking his inner toddler. “Do witches actually know who WHAM is?”
"Hey there, finest baby Billy! The WAM knows a witch and worships them, but the witches would not know them from another mortal!"
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"By the way, Mickey, can you describe your ability one more time for me? Whatever happens when you visit two people in one sitting is still lost on me," Bertram asked.
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N1: Swapped Basil and Robin
N2: Swapped Billy and Twilip
N3: Swapped Violet and Basil
N4: Stole from Twilip
N5: Copied Asher, and then targeted Wyn
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“Actually I’m taking that vote back,” Billy said, doing a cool dance move.
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Zach could feel his heart beating more and more quickly and intensely. He was worried it would pop right out of his chest. He clung to Robin for comfort, shivering. This was it. Did they find another witch? Or was it all over?
Robin squeezes her eyes shut and returns Zach's embrace.
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