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Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:02 pm

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"Hmm...medal, kebab, metal, bench...what should we guess?"

Akio was deep in his own bubble, unaware that the Anissa Gambit had ended.

Re: Danganronpa F3: Risk vs. Reward - Chapter 4 Class Trial

Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:03 pm

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[Metal and kebab are valid answers. Bench doesn't work given the weapon seen in the video, same with medal]

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Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:17 pm

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"...The murder weapon was not found at the scene of the crime, correct?" Kagayaki sighed. "So it either dissolved, or it was taken by the killer. Since it fell into the acid, for it to not dissolve, the weapon would have to be something metallic. However, in order to retrieve it, the killer would have to have access to something else, also metallic, to pull it from the vat. ...Did anyone have two metallic objects that would fit those descriptions?"

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Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:35 pm

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"I g- guess maybe they could have pulled it out with a magnet, but there's no indication that one existed..."

"Maybe those broken paper clips were used somehow? Th- They could have just been left in John's room as a trap..."

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Re: Danganronpa F3: Risk vs. Reward - Chapter 4 Class Trial

Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:53 pm

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"I do not believe paper clips would be strong enough to drag a weapon out of the acid."

Kagayaki placed her fist to her mouth and thought a bit more. "Perhaps..." She blinked, then shook her head. "N-no, I cannot imagine what else could be used..."

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Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:57 pm

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"N- No, I wasn't saying they were used like that... j- just that they could have been used, somehow..."

"I w- wonder if it's possible that the figure in the trenchcoat wasn't even real, a- and that the footage was staged somehow. L- Like maybe the crane was used to swing something into K- Kagayaki? I dunno... I kind of doubt it though..."

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Sun Apr 08, 2018 11:40 pm

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"Well we saw the murder weapon get dragged in the acid either way... so even if the cloaked figure was faked, Kagayaki still died on screen you know? That thing had to be some kind of evidence."

Casey says that with a look of discomfort.

"Anyway, uh... come on guys! We can do this!"

"Is it possible Claud did it with his sword and then fished his sword out with his shield? I mean the wood woulda been melted, but there was still a metal part, and it sounds like they probably didn't know where everybody's gifts were."

"Also, are we sure there ain't enough paper clips to make like a rope or something? I feel like you could get something to happen if you used a lot of them, and we don't got an explanation for those clips."

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Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:14 am

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"M- Maybe we're thinking about this the wrong way..." Anissa says.

"If there was some long, wooden weapon that was five letters and had an E as the second letter, don't you think we would have seen something about it? Not only that, but the killer went out of his way to cover up the weapon's identity, so it must tie back to them somehow... So why was S gonna bludgeon someone to death with a weapon that immediately identified him? At that point, why not just use something else? Heck, why not just push her?

"N- No, it seems more likely that S wanted everyone to see that security footage so we'd jump to the wrong conclusions... s- so it was set up to make it look like Kagayaki was killed with some wooden object, when something else entirely had happened... L- Like Kagayaki was saying, maybe the murder weapon actually was metal or something?

"I don't really have a clue beyond that, though..."

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Re: Danganronpa F3: Risk vs. Reward - Chapter 4 Class Trial

Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:20 am

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"Um... but like, in the video, you can see Kagayaki getting bludgeoned and falling in the vat..."

"Is it possible that the vat is empty in that video? Maybe it was filled later or something?"

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Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:20 am

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"Dammit! We can't just keep biding our time like this! Our lives are on the line!"

Casey taps her boot impatiently.

"It doesn't seem like any of you guys have a good theory about how the footage of Kagayaki coulda been faked, so... Sorry Anissa, but we can't really keep dwelling on it, you know? That was an image of Kagayaki getting knocked into the vat, and I can't think of how she coulda survived that! Or the weapon! That vat has acid in it, and there's nowhere else for the acid to be!"

"Anyway, what legitimate theories do we have right now? S can't be Akio, Kagayaki, Penelope, Dallas, Anissa or Molly because they died. It can't be John because they voted for John. S can't be Lyla because he had two arms. S can't be Claudius because he could read. I'm pretty sure S isn't Dale because he woulda been executed when Dale was the blackened in our timeline."

"I also think we can rule out Shirly because I can't even think of a murder weapon she woulda had. She didn't even get a gift! And Momo's gift wasn't the right shape to be murder weapon. Sachi only got a picture, and I don't think Audrey coulda been used to do anything... It ain't like those guys are typically carrying around anything that could be used as a weapon neither."

"So... that leaves Silas, Terry and... m-me. Um... that's who I'm most suspicious of."

Casey looks down at the ground uncomfortably.

"Hmm... I thought Terry was just giving me knighthood... is it possible that Terry kept his sword after the gift giving? Maybe if that was the murder weapon, he coulda fished it out with his armor, you know? And... we already talked about how Silas coulda done it. Now, I don't know if there was a way for me... uh the other world Casey... to have gotten the sword outta the pool, but if she had it, that's pretty suspicious. Thinking about it, I don't think the paper clip chain would really be possible to use on the sword."

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Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:00 am

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"If metal is a valid answer...then what could have been used? Errr..."

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Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:06 pm

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"Y- Yeah... I think the weapon being made of metal is more likely..." Anissa replies, "But I'm not sure what could have been used to get it out... N- Not only that, but... if the weapon was dropped in the acid, wouldn't it have still been dangerous to touch once it was taken out?"

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Re: Danganronpa F3: Risk vs. Reward - Chapter 4 Class Trial

Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:41 pm

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"P-perhaps..." Kagayaki spoke up, sounding rather uneasy. "Perhaps we should move to a different topic for the time being? I... realize that is a rather selfish suggestion from the one who failed the lifeline; however, we do not seem to be able to make further progress at this point, and there are yet other questions to discuss..."

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Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:08 pm

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"B-but, w-would me or Silas or someone really do something like that? K-kill... Kagayaki? I d-don't wanna believe that!"

Casey anxiosus massages her knuckles, watching the mysterious figure in the room.

She turns to Kagayaki.

"D-don't worry! We still learned a lot from the hangman. It makes sense to move on! We'll still know what we know when we get back to this!"

"So what are we going to do? Discuss Molly and the decontamination room?"

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Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:34 pm

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"I m- mean... I don't know... I don't see how any of that other stuff will help us with who S is..." Anissa mumbles.

"B- But if we have to discuss something, it might be good to discuss where S went when he left for five minutes at eleven... I think we kinda have a good understanding of Molly's involvement..."

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Re: Danganronpa F3: Risk vs. Reward - Chapter 4 Class Trial

Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:44 pm

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"Do we?" Kagayaki tilted her head. "We are fairly certain Lady Hachibani went to the Firmware Programming Room to examine the microchip given to her by Lord S. If she was lured there by Lord S to be murdered, why would Lady Reynard need to go as well? One only needs to murder once to gain access to the time machine. Was she an accomplice?"

She turned to Monokuma/Monoroomba. "Would someone from an alternate timeline be considered a student here? They would have already 'graduated', yes? So is it possible for them to rejoin the 'class' and 'graduate' a second time?"

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Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:53 pm

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"Well... that person in the video coulda been S or Molly, right? Maybe that's when they went and grabbed the knife? We know Sachi wasn't stabbed, so the knife wasn't used until the second murder! That's gotta be it, right?!"

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Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:09 pm

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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:

"Do we?" Kagayaki tilted her head. "We are fairly certain Lady Hachibani went to the Firmware Programming Room to examine the microchip given to her by Lord S. If she was lured there by Lord S to be murdered, why would Lady Reynard need to go as well? One only needs to murder once to gain access to the time machine. Was she an accomplice?"

She turned to Monokuma/Monoroomba. "Would someone from an alternate timeline be considered a student here? They would have already 'graduated', yes? So is it possible for them to rejoin the 'class' and 'graduate' a second time?"

"THEYRE CONSIDERED THE SAME STUDENT AS THEIR ALTERNATE SELF, SO THEYD BOTH GRADUATE."

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Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:48 pm

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"Why don't you guys understand?" He shook his head. "Nobody has to die. Not Dallas, not Dale, not Sachiko. Is it better to keep fighting at the expense of one of your friend's lives?"

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Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:54 pm

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"W-what do you mean by that? Those guys are dead! We'll never... we'll never talk to them again, dammit... There's nothing we can do but try to save the innocent people who are still alive!!"

Casey looks at the figure with indignation.

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Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:03 pm

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JesusMonroe wrote:

Franzise Deauxnim wrote:

"Do we?" Kagayaki tilted her head. "We are fairly certain Lady Hachibani went to the Firmware Programming Room to examine the microchip given to her by Lord S. If she was lured there by Lord S to be murdered, why would Lady Reynard need to go as well? One only needs to murder once to gain access to the time machine. Was she an accomplice?"

She turned to Monokuma/Monoroomba. "Would someone from an alternate timeline be considered a student here? They would have already 'graduated', yes? So is it possible for them to rejoin the 'class' and 'graduate' a second time?"

"THEYRE CONSIDERED THE SAME STUDENT AS THEIR ALTERNATE SELF, SO THEYD BOTH GRADUATE."

"Then does the inverse not also hold true?" Kagayaki raised an eyebrow. "Since the student from the alternate timeline has already graduated, would their counterpart here not have graduated as well? Furthermore, since the one from the other history has graduated, would they not be free to use the time machine without murdering again?"

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Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:08 pm

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Mister E wrote:

"Why don't you guys understand?" He shook his head. "Nobody has to die. Not Dallas, not Dale, not Sachiko. Is it better to keep fighting at the expense of one of your friend's lives?"

"W-Why are you talking like they're alive?! And we are fighting! You're just sitting back doing nothing!"

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Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:25 pm

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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:

JesusMonroe wrote:

Franzise Deauxnim wrote:

"Do we?" Kagayaki tilted her head. "We are fairly certain Lady Hachibani went to the Firmware Programming Room to examine the microchip given to her by Lord S. If she was lured there by Lord S to be murdered, why would Lady Reynard need to go as well? One only needs to murder once to gain access to the time machine. Was she an accomplice?"

She turned to Monokuma/Monoroomba. "Would someone from an alternate timeline be considered a student here? They would have already 'graduated', yes? So is it possible for them to rejoin the 'class' and 'graduate' a second time?"

"THEYRE CONSIDERED THE SAME STUDENT AS THEIR ALTERNATE SELF, SO THEYD BOTH GRADUATE."

"Then does the inverse not also hold true?" Kagayaki raised an eyebrow. "Since the student from the alternate timeline has already graduated, would their counterpart here not have graduated as well? Furthermore, since the one from the other history has graduated, would they not be free to use the time machine without murdering again?"

"CONSIDER THIS KILLING GAME SEPARATE FROM THE OTHER ONE, WHILE THE PEOPLE ARE NOT."

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Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:30 pm

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"Kagayaki... if someone used the time machine, then wouldn't we have heard it? Does the noise happen for both when people leave with it and when people enter? And yeah, why didn't S just use the time machine if he had the key?"

After the roomba speaks, Casey frowns.

"Huh? I guess that means he probably would've been stopped by monokuma, but it would totally make sense to me if he coulda used it!"

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Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:58 pm

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Mister E wrote:

"Why don't you guys understand?" He shook his head. "Nobody has to die. Not Dallas, not Dale, not Sachiko. Is it better to keep fighting at the expense of one of your friend's lives?"

"You of all people have no right to use Lady Hachibani's name when claiming 'nobody has to die'," Kagayaki glared at the unknown killer.

Doctor Nanjo wrote:

"Kagayaki... if someone used the time machine, then wouldn't we have heard it? Does the noise happen for both when people leave with it and when people enter? And yeah, why didn't S just use the time machine if he had the key?"

After the roomba speaks, Casey frowns.

"Huh? I guess that means he probably would've been stopped by monokuma, but it would totally make sense to me if he coulda used it!"

"That was my point, Lady Windsor," Kagayaki nodded. "If this murderer were the same as the one from the other timeline, I would have thought they would be able to use the time machine without killing, yet they did not. However, it seems the rules do not work as I expected, so there is no contradictory actions on the killer's part there."

She then turned to Akio. "Lord Taira, in the video you saw of the armored figure departing and returning around 11 o'clock, did you notice anything at all different about them the two times you saw them? Did it seem they might have been carrying something to or from the floor, perhaps?"

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Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:23 pm

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Monoroomba plays the footage. It shows the armored figure going down the elevator at 11:00. At 11:05, he returns. He doesn't have anything on him in either scenario.

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Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:30 pm

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"O- Okay, I may be way off-base here..." Anissa sighs, "And I kinda hope I am, but..."

"L- Let's think about the murder weapon issue a different way... I think it's safe to say the answer to that Hangman's Gambit was 'Metal.' In which case, it doesn't matter what the weapon actually was. We know it was metal, a- and we know that it had to be taken out of the vat of acid at some point... No matter how that was accomplished though, it also had to be taken out of the room and hidden somewhere..."

"However, after taking the weapon out, there should have been at least a little acid left on it, which d- definitely would have left behind acid burns if it was taken out of the room..."

"In which case, the only one who could have killed Kagayaki and not been immediately identified was..." Anissa sighs, and mumbles, "C- Casey... cause one of her arms was already burned and bandaged..."

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Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:38 pm

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Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:39 pm

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[Lone wtf i reacted to that post AHHH]

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Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:54 pm

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"That is impossible," Kagayaki replied flatly to Anissa's reasoning. "That is... If there was only a bit of acid on the weapon, it could simply be wiped off with, for example, a piece of cloth, then tossed into the vat to disintegrate. Anyone could do such a thing."

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"O-oh... I guess... I guess that makes sense..."

"That's actually... pretty smart Anissa! Um... Good job..."

Casey looks anxiously at the suited figure, and then down at the ground.

"Did that dumbass really do... that?" she mumbles.

Casey listens to Kagayaki's reasoning.

"Oh yeah! That's true... It probably wouldn't have been that hard for the killer to use something to hold the weapon with. And obviously they probably touched potential weapons already to see if they had acid and didn't find any."

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Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:05 pm

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"B- But, it would have been really hard to wipe the weapon off without touching it..." Anissa replies, "A- And if that acid was strong enough to dissolve clothes, it probably would have gone through the rag or whatever and b- burned their hand anyway..."

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Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:08 pm

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[The acid takes several minutes to dissolve things. So a rag wouldn't instantly dissolve wiping down something covered in it. However, flesh wouldn't instantly dissolve when exposed to it either and would only completely dissolve from submergence]

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Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:10 pm

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"Regardless of the difficulty in wiping the weapon clean of acid, the killer must have done so. Otherwise, the other 'class' would have found traces, as Lady Windsor has said," Kagayaki countered.

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Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:11 pm

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"You could get something thick enough prolly either way."

"N-not that I'm defending her just because it's me!!"

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Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:29 pm

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"So, I guess we should find the tool they used to fish it out.."

"Or we can try and figure out what S did in those 5 minutes.."

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Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:00 pm

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"If Lord S did not take anything to or from the floor where the murders occurred, they simply had some brief task to perform on one of the other floors, correct? Aside from the victims and killer, Lady Silke, and Lady Everell, the rest of us were present at the party at that time, though, yes? None of us searched the other floors, either..."

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Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:39 pm

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"The tool they used to fish the weapon out? Maybe they just didn't pussy out and used their hands! Sucked a burn up!"

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Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:05 pm

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"If that's the answer you're going with, then I think we established who that implicates. Only one person could hide the imevitable burns, as Anissa explained..."

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Casey gives Akio a puzzled look. Slowly, grim realization wases over her.

"Shoot! Dammit! I would do that, wouldn't I? And I had that bandaged hand too... So... I coulda taken it off, reached in, and then put them back on. The other guys were probably fooled by that, weren't they..."

Casey's face begins to blush again. It seems as though she's about to cry.

"Oh freakin'... I don't wanna be the guy who killed Kagayaki! I don't wanna be S! Oh who am I kidding, I bet that dumbass did do that! Oh hell no..."

"Oh shut up, freak! I'm not you!! Even if I am!"