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Hold up now padres there's still another option we can go for.
Lucky reached inside his jacket and produced a small standard deck of cards from it. Quickly shuffling and dealing out the numbers he felt appropriate.
Here's my second proposal. Lucky Proposal 2
Door 8
6(Nanjo) + 5(Ami) + 4(Cold) + 2(Giggles)
Door 4
3(Trace)+1(Jumpy)+9 (Cesar)
Shuffling his deck once more, Lucky drew two more cards. The Seven of Hearts and the 8 of Clubs
Of course this proposal means myself and Neptune need to sit out this round. I ain't worried, my vote would be sealed anyway. This way it's handled by Trace. As for Neptune, well he'd need to sit out as well but once more he has a partner to play in his stead. Figure it's important we give the solo's their power back.
Scooping up the cards Lucky shuffled the deck back together and stowed them away once more.
I much prefer this plan if I do say so myself. As much as I'm loathe to correct myself I implore y'all to reconsider for this one.
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Day 3, Pha... hold on a second...As the groups decided upon head for the Numbered Doors, one of the groups realizes the bracelet numbers don't add up. Someone's missing. The players search everywhere in the limited space, but it's like Cold just vanished into thin air.
Cold has been eliminated. Phase 2 will continue for an extra day.
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Care to explain? Not that I'm averse to staying behind. However there's a whole lot you just ask us to trust you on. You were actually meant to explain the grand plan behind going with option A I dunno...yesterday and then nothing ever came of that. Let me throw down some other perspectives for you.
4+8+1 = 13 = 4
4+3+1 = 8
4+6+3 = 13 = 4
There's a few alternate suggestions for you. I realise none of them have 7 in them but I know plenty more suggestions could have, putting them down there wouldn't clear me for suspicion. I'd just like a bit more reasoning in the matter from such a...intelligent individual as yourself.
Lucky uttered the last part through gritted teeth. He wasn't about to take such accusations being thrown around lightly.
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Door [8]:
Jumpfight
Giggles
Nanjo
Me
Cesar
Ideally, we shouldn't leave a door unexplored. However, Pierre and Slezak are the Zero team. Just think about it
Anyway, it should be apparent now why I wanted Option A and why Pierre and Slezak voted against it. Their reasoning for not asking about Option A should also be clear--they wouldn't like the answer
I'm betting Slezak is Zero and Pierre is the assistant
Pierre, you and Giggles were the only possible pairing online during PC yesterday. It's painfully obvious
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Cold's role PM said that Trace was Zero (but he couldn't tell us) and the only person who would benefit from Cold dying (or rather, benefit the most) is Lucky
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Perhaps you should slow down a second there partner. You keep trying to get us to believe in everything you do without actually explaining yourself at every turn.
You've got no evidence I'm Zero or an assistant, indeed I threw down another few suggestions of what it could be right up there.
Lucky considered the numbers he had thrown down before.
Coincidentally...Neptune and Jumpfight are another one of the teams that could have murdered Cold.
If we were online during phase change so what? That makes sense doesn't it? To see what's happening in the new phase.. PMs to the GM can be sent at any time of the day, your case holds no water.
But go ahead, break down this reason we didn't want Option A for me. The voice who shouts the loudest has something to hide.
Also how would you know his Role PM Jumpy? And how would his role PM say such a thing? After all he's just a vanilla player he claimed, I believe you said as much as well.
Additionally, as you said Jumpy...I would benefit from Cold's death...and yet I didn't vote option A (one of the points that Neptune is arguing is actually why I'm Zero or an assistant.).
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Want to explain that?
"Who's Zero, JM? Me or Slezak?"
I doubt Franzise is flat out lying to us. In that case, the roles become a detriment. They're worse than vanilla. So, I have to believe the roles are telling the truth on some level. In which case, you and Slezak are guilty and should be left behind
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And what if you're wrong?
Throwing down allegations hard and fast in the hopes people won't notice or thing about it long enough to stop?
Your proposal outright kills everyone on one team.
And what if...someone else's Role PM says someone else if Zero? What if Jumpy was trustworthy and didn't betray (and admit to betraying) other people in the voting room? What if your trust in him is misplaced and he's been feeding you lies?
What if Jumpy is/works for Zero?
Plenty of other cards on the table right now JM.
All I see is unanswered questions from your end...
Here's a less fatal suggestion for voting:
Drawing his deck again he began to lay out some more numbers.
Door 4
3+1+9 = 13
Door 8
7+8+2 = 17
I'm sorry Doctor but this outcome would mean you could not vote but you would at least have someone there to vote.
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All I know is that if you or Slezak get in that voting booth, the game is over. If jumpfight and I are the Zero team, why would we kill Cold when doing so would mean that you win the game?
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First of all, HOW did you learn Cold's PM said I was Zero if he wasn't allowed to tell anyone? Through subtle hints? Corroborating evidence? You've gotta give more than a sentence to indict somebody.
Second, you're awfully calm and expository right now for learning someone just went missing.
And Neptune, I knew there was something fishy about your saying you would remedy everything and inspire trust in everyone. However, you hardly did anything yesterday and never gave us that explanation you were going to for Option A.
Not only has this move not inspired trust, it's cemented even further that everybody in this game has their own agenda. I've done nothing but ally and I plan to keep doing that because I want to maximize the number of good people who escape. I mean, Giggles even told me he was going to betray and I still hit ally.
If I'm Zero, which I'm not, my desperation move should come out any minute because I'm sure as hell not about to escape with so many people near the top. However, I have no desperation move because I am not Zero.
And yes, looking at it now, your proposal would kill Lucky and myself. I'm no threat to you so why do you want me dead?
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I don't want ANYONE to die.
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Slezak wrote:
Whoa. WHOA! Hold on there Jumpfight, you're jumping the gun straight into the fight here.
First of all, HOW did you learn Cold's PM said I was Zero if he wasn't allowed to tell anyone? Through subtle hints? Corroborating evidence? You've gotta give more than a sentence to indict somebody.
Second, you're awfully calm and expository right now for learning someone just went missing.
I'm no threat to you so why do you want me dead?
First of all, HOW did you learn Cold's PM said I was Zero if he wasn't allowed to tell anyone? Through subtle hints? Corroborating evidence? You've gotta give more than a sentence to indict somebody.
Second, you're awfully calm and expository right now for learning someone just went missing.
I'm no threat to you so why do you want me dead?
Cause you're Zero
And we expected that Cold or myself would die. Hence the lack of surprise
If cold and jumpfight have the same role, it's pretty easy to figure out each other's roles through "subtle hints" as you said. Pretty easy to do without breaking restrictions
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No, jumpfight is trustworthy. One of the few people that Cold trusted was jumpfight, actually, so it makes no sense for jumpfight to kill him
All I know is that if you or Slezak get in that voting booth, the game is over. If jumpfight and I are the Zero team, why would we kill Cold when doing so would mean that you win the game?
All I know is that if you or Slezak get in that voting booth, the game is over. If jumpfight and I are the Zero team, why would we kill Cold when doing so would mean that you win the game?
Firstly: I never said YOU were in the Zero team
Secondly: Your motive is playing out right now. If you can convince other people that Zero is dead and gone (by virtue of others believing it to be me or Slezak) and then have those two executed by virtue of the AB game.
Then Zero has won.
Trace had begun to speak up. Turning to Trace he answered
His proposal leaves us high and dry. Therefore he can kill off the two people he "believes" to be Zero on the word of someone untrustworthy...or some unknown power that he won't admit.
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Anyway, you keep saying jumpfight in untrustworthy. Why? Cause he chose betray? So did Nanjo and Giggles but I'm not seeing you accusing them of anything
I've said it before and I'll say it again: if Zero has 5 BP, there's little reason for him to choose betray. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO ZERO LEAVES WITH AS LONG AS HE LEAVES
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I probably should have outed this earlier, but Neptune has gotten real defensive. He was looking for allies to kill me because I went with Option B in Phase 1, even though all I was doing was trying to incite healthy debate and really make people think about which decision they wanted to go with. Listen, folks, HE wanted to kill me simply because I went against HIS plan. It's been all about HIM this whole game and I'll be damned if I let HIM control another one of these rounds. Unfortunately, there is not much I can do about it. In fact, there is nothing I can do about it. Lucky and I will be left behind and will thus die.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: if Zero has 5 BP, there's little reason for him to choose betray. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO ZERO LEAVES WITH AS LONG AS HE LEAVES
Neptune, are you trying to say that Zero doesn't need nine BP to escape? If so, how do you know this? Also, what kind of messed-up rule is that?
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Let me ask you this, Slezak
If Cold had a role PM that said "JM is Zero" and you knew for a fact that Cold wasn't lying to you, what would your conclusion be?
Are you claiming that the GM is untrustworthy?
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JesusMonroe wrote:
If I'm not on the Zero team, why do I want to "play out"?
Anyway, you keep saying jumpfight in untrustworthy. Why? Cause he chose betray? So did Nanjo and Giggles but I'm not seeing you accusing them of anything
I've said it before and I'll say it again: if Zero has 5 BP, there's little reason for him to choose betray. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO ZERO LEAVES WITH AS LONG AS HE LEAVES
Anyway, you keep saying jumpfight in untrustworthy. Why? Cause he chose betray? So did Nanjo and Giggles but I'm not seeing you accusing them of anything
I've said it before and I'll say it again: if Zero has 5 BP, there's little reason for him to choose betray. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO ZERO LEAVES WITH AS LONG AS HE LEAVES
Lucky narrowed his eyes at JM considering him thoughtfully.
You think I think Giggles or Nanjo is trustworthy? You'll notice I did not want to pair Giggles and Jumpfight up...on the off chance they were Zero and assistant...or just selfish individuals who might ally and escape...as I do believe I mentioned.
Also if you aren't on the Zero team...then someone ON the Zero team has given you absolute faith in them and they are telling you other people are Zero.
Lucky's eyes flitted over to Jumpfight briefly.
You are...what's it called...a "Knight Templar" in terms of your brand of justice.
As for the "Good" Doctor I don't especially trust him neither but perhaps you aren't picking up on my tone. He's made his justifications to me about why he betrayed you. Understandably it's affected you most as the one he betrayed.
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Pretty sure I brought it up before, but what if someone else had a Role PM that said Jumpy was Zero? Say they confided that information in me. Does that sound any more credible than what you are saying right now?
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Slezak wrote:
I'm saying that he is not allowed to tell anyone he knows that I'm Zero, nor is he allowed to specify that he cannot reveal that information. So however you learned that I was Zero, it couldn't have been completely obvious. So what's up?
Yes, but that wasn't my question. If you KNEW Cold was telling the truth about his role PM, what would your conclusion be?
Furthermore, I already explained your query. If jumpfight and cold have the same role, they can easily infer it to each other without making it completely obvious
@Pierre nobody has a role PM that says jumpfight is Zero, though. I already went over this with Giggles
You and Slezak were both questioned to see if you had the same role as jumpfight and Cold. It was clear you did not. Later in the game, you tried to say that both of you had that role. Why? My suspicion is that you wanted to be "cleared" by myself and then coast through the game
Also, I told you in the qt many times about how much I trusted Cold. You even began to suspect me because of it. You seem to be conveniently forgetting this information when accusing me of killing Cold
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@Pierre nobody has a role PM that says jumpfight is Zero, though. I already went over this with Giggles
You and Slezak were both questioned to see if you had the same role as jumpfight and Cold. It was clear you did not. Later in the game, you tried to say that both of you had that role. Why?
Also, I told you in the qt many times about how much I trusted Cold. You even began to suspect me because of it. You seem to be conveniently forgetting this information when accusing me of killing Cold
You and Slezak were both questioned to see if you had the same role as jumpfight and Cold. It was clear you did not. Later in the game, you tried to say that both of you had that role. Why?
Also, I told you in the qt many times about how much I trusted Cold. You even began to suspect me because of it. You seem to be conveniently forgetting this information when accusing me of killing Cold
Well who is to say they don't have confirmation on Jumpfight's role, it was just a hypothetical. It's just not a credible argument to say "This guy told me he knows who Zero is therefore I believe him". I mean there's no way you could get that kind of confirmation outside of gratuitous breach of the MAMA right? Screenshots and the like.
Also I believe at the time you stated that people who had roles could not indirectly or directly claim to have them.
I'll be frank with you Neptune...I don't believe you are Zero affiliated. I believe you are being tricked by Jumpy as Zero's accomplice. That's why it's imperative that you slow down and reconsider your arguments as right now you are trying to send innocent people to their death.
Also consider that someone...didn't TRUST you. Would you unveil information that might make you a target to that person? Or would you stay vanilla.
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A role that just flat-out states someone is Zero is one that probably isn't being lied about. And if Cold went up to jumpfight and began softing his own role, how would jumpfight know what Cold is talking about unless jumpfight had the same role?
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15 minutes into PC, JM pretty much informed me that he and Nanjo sent in a request to kill Slezak. If Slezak isn't dead, then that means someone beat them to the punch. And as Pierre already admitted, he and Giggles were online at that time. Case closed
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Did you kill Cold?
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While we are getting dangerously meta here.
Did you know CR has a function that allows you to appear offline when you are signed in?
Who you see online at what time means nothing provided that function exists.
I am not Zero nor his assistant.
You were willing to kill Slezak on Cold's WORD that he KNEW who Zero was. I'm pretty sure I tried convincing you of something the same...yet you never gave me the full amount of trust.
So what was it? Just because Cold supposedly unleashed his "guaranteed" knowledge first? Because you ASSUMED someone wouldn't lie about having a role that knows who Zero is? Why that sounds like an awful convenient power to have. Just the sort of thing Zero would want to claim in order to draw suspicion away from himself.
You tried to kill Slezak on hardly any reasoning.
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I had a lot of reasons to trust cold, so it seems a little upsetting that this happened to him.
It'll become sickeningly obvious after we enter these doors which is which, but if we test our bracelets on the doors again, could we tell which door Cold's body is behind? To make this easier? I mean he could have died right behind it.
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Giggles and Lucky
Neptune and Jumpy (This option seems very unlikely considering how close Neptune and Lucky worked with Cold, but it's not impossible. It's too bad though: the last thing I asked Cold was whether or not he trusted Neptune. He didn't respond).
Nanjo and Trace (No)
4:
Ami and Neptune (lol no)
Nanjo and Lucky (No)
Jumpfight and Trace (Doesn't seem likely)
Okay so after going through the options it's pretty clear someone like Cold was killed through door 4 by Giggles and Lucky or Neptune and Jumpy.
As long as there's little reason for me to think an "x" bracelet is in play, I think this case is pretty cut-and-dry.
Someone I trusted a lot is dead, and one of the other two people I trusted the most killed them. (I personally trust Giggles and Neptune). That said, Neptune had a lot of reasons to keep Cold around because he worked well with him. I mean I think everyone here feels similarly about Cold: he was an innocent man. If his role said Trace is Zero I have to trust that as well.
It sucks. This all sucks, but I think Lucky and Giggles are murderers. I think Trace is incredibly suspicious if that's what Cold thought. Cold and I betrayed day 1 together because we wanted to not get any more points than the other players.
In truth, Cold was the man I trusted the most out of everybody.
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I hope you have a good explanation Giggles. I wanted to trust you. I wanted to trust Lucky too.
Also I realize Jumpy here has revealed what I tried to do yesterday with Neptune. That was an attempt to outpace this scenario. I was scared that an innocent individual would die if we didn't act fast, and that's exactly what happened.
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You say you were scared that an INNOCENT person was about to die
yet you were willing to MURDER an innocent person (aka me) to "outpace" that scenario?
What the hell, man? Am I not good enough for you?
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Nanjo's PM could've said that Giggles was Zero.
Cesar's PM could've said that Ami was Zero.
Good luck PROVING any of that.
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I didn't trust Neptune, it's why I stopped talking to him when he was interrogating me. I believed he'd fallen in with the 'wrong crowd' shall we say and his information might indeed lead to my downfall. In fact I heard word that after Trace...I was his second target.
Not to speak ill of the dead but...do you really have valid reason to TRUST Cold in this matter? As opposed to me?
If someone had told me they know who Zero is flat out the gate...I would be extremely sceptical of the matter. The person is clearly trying to influence you.
Consider a possibility: WHAT IF Cold was lying to you?
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Slezak, I lied about inspiring trust. Well, not really. It would inspire trust in everybody but you and Pierre. Maybe Giggles too cause he's either on the Zero team or just being naïve
Pierre, jumpfight doesn't use the offline function. I do, but this is pointless anyway because I've already proven that jumpfight can't be the killer because I'm not the killer since Nanjo and I tried to kill Slezak
Also, you seem to be saying now that Cold was Zero. Which is it? Innocent or not? Cause if you aren't admitting to killing him, I feel like it's because you know that you had nefarious intentions
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"Why would you lie?" Because you have been lied to. It's unintentional.
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I don't believe Pierre wanted to kill Cold but he did so when Option A won and he was pushed into a corner
Everyone consider this when trying to figure out Cold's killer: why was he killed?
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