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Fri Nov 29, 2019 6:05 pm

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"Only now do the Werewolves know an unclaimed role. At the start of the round, they were all in the dark," The Emissary said. "I believe Astrid's plan was to act quickly to promote the likelihood that she was telling the truth and whoever came after was merely trying to make her out to be a liar. It was merely bad fortune that she picked a role the Robber in addition to the person with the actual role could argue against."

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Fri Nov 29, 2019 6:13 pm

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“If a Werewolf is alone, they find out one of the unused roles. I believe that it what Stella is referring to,” Astrid said. “Of course, the role they find out might be the Tanner, or even the other Werewolf, which wouldn’t be of much use to them...”

Astrid trailed off for a moment, and then regained herself.

“You two are obviously Werewolves working together. Don’t you all find it a bit convenient how Max and the Emissary chose each other?”

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Fri Nov 29, 2019 6:24 pm

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"How would they coordinate such a plan, though?" Vivienne asked, "Are you saying they simply conducted a nearly identical plan separately of one another? Or that Mr. Lauder recognized was The Emissary was doing and followed along? I suppose that's possible, though I'm not sure if it's believable."

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Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 2)

Fri Nov 29, 2019 6:30 pm

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"It does seem a bit contrived," Stella admitted. "The Emissary would be gambling on there being no Robber counter-claims..."

Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 2)

Fri Nov 29, 2019 6:36 pm

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"Don't be fooled Vivienne it's not possible and Astrid knows it. Look around this room! Is there any possible way we could have plotted something so private? Hazel already tried to be subtle it's just not possible!" He looked across to Pink and Ember "They can back me up too in saying that in the practice round the werewolves weren't given any way of communicating privately with one another."

"Besides don't there werewolves only learn an extra role if there is only one werewolf. The other werewolf is probably playing it smart and being quiet...or trying to protect their precious pack." he said glaring at Stella "There's no way of knowing if she's the tanner or not with the role's we've got so far or even if the tanner is in the game but I think she's fighting too hard to deflect attention and reattribute the blame to be the tanner."

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Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 2)

Fri Nov 29, 2019 6:37 pm

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"Look at it from my perspective. I start the round a Robber, informed that I have taken the Troublemaker role from Maximillion. Then someone else comes along and tries to claim they're the Troublemaker. Well, you can imagine my joy! An easy target to swoop in on and oust as a Werewolf," The Emissary said. "There's nothing 'convenient' about that. If it looks like it worked out neatly, that's simply because all I've done is describe the truth!" He punctuated the statement with a theatrical gesture, perhaps mimicking his current ally Maximillion.

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Fri Nov 29, 2019 6:41 pm

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“Well... Maybe the Emissary just took that risk. Once he claimed he stole Troublemaker from Max, it would have been easy for Max to align his story with that,” Astrid said, although it was difficult to tell whether it was desperation or indignation mixed in with her voice.

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Fri Nov 29, 2019 6:45 pm

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"What Werewolf would claim to be the Hunter?" Stella scoffed. "That's probably the worst possible claim they could make. I'd also like to point out that, as unlikely as it may be, there's also the possibility that Ember could be the Werewolf, or that there aren't any Werewolves at all."

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Fri Nov 29, 2019 6:50 pm

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Maxmillion grunted his head bowed "Then why would she try and sow discord and chaos? Apart from risking a lie really early on, it's one that tricks other people into thinking their roles are swapped. That could have caused so much disorder since we have no way of checking it. The werewolves only need us to pick the wrong person. If she claims a role early, she causes disorder plus the belief that other people have had their role swapped."

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Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 2)

Fri Nov 29, 2019 6:55 pm

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“I think the only situation where a Werewolf would claim Hunter is if they were alone, and saw the Hunter was unused,” Astrid said. “The Tanner, however, might very well claim to be the Hunter.

“Given how Max and the Emissary are lying and covering for each other, there definitely aren’t no wolves. Anyway, I don’t think I have anything else I can really say. It seems to me that this is really just going to come down to which side more people believe.”

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Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 2)

Fri Nov 29, 2019 7:04 pm

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Maximillion nodded "Aye, you are right, it makes no sense for a werewolf to claim hunter. Perhaps I was just quick to anger." he muttered grimly "Still the rest of it is true. There's no reason for a Werewolf to actively HUNT other werewolves. In making these accusations, me and Emissary have brought suspicion on ourselves because we are contesting another role. Would a werewolf want the spotlight?" Maximillion snapped his fingers "Absolutely not. The only time they get the spotlight is when they slip up like Astrid did. She gave Emissary absolute proof early on of her lie and we pursued that because we believe she's guilty. If we were wolves, why would we draw attention to ourselves so early on when it's simply a matter of trust?"

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Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 2)

Fri Nov 29, 2019 7:07 pm

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"I, at least, am ready to vote. I'd like to know where everyone else stands on the matter," The Emissary said. "What are everyone's current thoughts?"

Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 2)

Fri Nov 29, 2019 7:12 pm

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"I believe voting is the correct option for now, yes", Hazel agreed. "It seems unlikely we'll get anywhere otherwise. It seems to be two people's word against one, however, so... I shall vote for whom I think is more likely to be the werewolf in this case."

Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 2)

Fri Nov 29, 2019 7:22 pm

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"Honestly, after thinking it over, it does seem more likely that Emissary and Maximilion are telling the truth; their story is too complicated to be made up on the spot and I find it unlikely they were assigned to the Werewolf team twice in a row. ...I'm still not convinced Astrid is the Werewolf, though. Unless she had a partner, she'd have known a safer role to bluff. I'm leaning more towards her being the Tanner..."

Stella turned her head to the bird on her shoulder. "What do you think, Cousteau?"

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"...You never were a fan of these kinds of games."

Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 2)

Fri Nov 29, 2019 7:30 pm

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“Hmph, I didn’t think you were the type to fall for the Gambler’s Fallacy,” Astrid commented. “And there isn’t always a safe role for a Werewolf to claim. For instance, it’s possible for the three unused roles to be Werewolf, Minion, and Tanner. ...I’m not sure I should be pointing that out, but I assume someone else would regardless. Anyway, I’ve been ready to vote.”

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Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 2)

Fri Nov 29, 2019 7:42 pm

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"I'm also prepared to vote, admittedly. I don't think further deliberation will change matters much," Vivienne said, "The other two's story just holds up better. Miss Jepsen's arguments don't really fit her being a Tanner either...It's possible we simple don't have one this time."

"There is the matter of Miss Ohring's role, but that's most likely irrelevant...especially if Miss Hawthorne's bizarre vision is to be believed."

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Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 2)

Fri Nov 29, 2019 7:47 pm

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"I have no clue what to do." Ember said, looking rather annoyed. "I don't even know what my own role is, nor who is and isn't a werewolf, and much less who to vote for to win."

Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 2)

Fri Nov 29, 2019 8:56 pm

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“There seems to be a lot of circular reasoning. I feel compelled to vote for Astrid but looking at the Emissary Game as a whole it may be a better decision to not let Max or The Emissary get a bigger lead.”

Luka hugged himself uncomfortably. “Stella seems to be thinking carefully about this, so I’m fine with waiting for her to make up her mind.”

Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 2)

Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:40 pm

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Maximillion raised an eyebrow "By my count it's you who's got a lead on us after the last round anyway and we'd all earn the same amount as the town." Maximillion shook his head is disdain "But you'd have to believe we ain't the wolves for that. Wolves wouldn't pursue the kill this early. This would have been stalled out to make us doubt more."

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Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 2)

Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:11 pm

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“Wolves wouldn’t do this, wolves wouldn’t do that. That means nothing to me, because all you have to do is act a way you think a wolf wouldn’t. All I know is you and The Emissary are extremely suspicious and I’d be more than willing to kill one of you and get nothing instead of the chance of one of you getting 100K.”

He then crossed his arms and looked at Astrid. “That being said, I have a feeling it wouldn’t be the worst idea to vote for you either.”

Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 2)

Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:25 pm

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Astrid shrugged. “Do what you feel is best. I’ve made my arguments, and Max and the Emissary have made theirs. We can discuss this as much as we want—or at least, as much as Zero allows us to—but I think we’ve reached the limits of the definitive facts we can obtain.

“In terms of the Emissary Game, Werewolf and Tanner victories are what we want to avoid. In a town victory, the town gets at most $60,000 each, which isn’t too bad for a werewolf or tanner to catch up to. But a werewolf or tanner victory means they would receive $100,000 to $300,000, which is a substantial step. Of course, if you knew what you had to do to prevent a werewolf or tanner victory, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

“Which, I suppose, is all just a roundabout way of saying ‘Do what you feel is best.’”

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Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 2)

Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:30 pm

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Maximillion nodded grimly "We're in agreement. There is nothing more to be said! The prize in this game is probably enough to propel anyone into the lead if they win it themselves. Everyone else will just mill things about a bit. You'll still be ahead in a town victory Luka because we'll all just advance the same amount."

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Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 2)

Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:34 pm

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Pink: well i think in the end this is still a chance game
Pink: sure wish i had skme of those drinks btw...
Pink: anyways voting on suspicion is the only way to go
Pink: i'm not sure either but i'll vote too! ggs to the wws

Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 2)

Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:58 pm

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“...I’m not going to pressure everybody into saying exactly who they are voting for, but what I will say is that if you believe Max and the Emissary are the Werewolves, please vote for the Emissary,” Astrid said sternly. “If the votes are split between them, it is possible that I could get killed even if they have more combined votes. If anyone feels strongly that we should vote for Max rather than the Emissary, that’s fine, but please speak up—the important thing is that everyone who votes for them votes for the same one, rather than which of the two we vote for.”

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Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 2)

Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:01 pm

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"Oh I'm NoT GoInG tO pReSSuRe yOO! SHUT UP WOLF!" Maximillion snarled

"You made your bed already just accept your sentence with what little dignity you have left liar!"

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Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 2)

Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:08 pm

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"The way I see it, there are a few possible answers here." Stella tapped her cheek.

"Emissary and Maximillion are the Werewolves. I don't buy this. If Emissary was a Werewolf, he would have risked being counterclaimed by the real Robber just to potentially throw suspicion on Astrid, and if Emissary is innocent, so is Maximillion.

"Astrid is the Werewolf. I'm not sure how I feel about this. I don't believe her Troublemaker claim, but if she was the only Werewolf, she would have been given an unused role to claim, so why not do that? That leads me to believe she may have tried to set herself up to be counterclaimed and killed as the Tanner.

"Astrid is a Werewolf but she has a partner and thus wasn't told about an unused role. This is something I could believe, but the fact that she claimed a role so early on makes me feel more like she's a Tanner for the reason I mentioned before.

"The Werewolf is someone else entirely. If Emissary and Maximillion are both innocent and Astrid is the Tanner, who does that leave? The only one who hasn't claimed a role is Ember, so I'd lean towards her. Alternately, there might not be any Werewolves at all if she's the Insomniac.

"After considering everything, I'm leaning towards Ember as the Werewolf or there not being a Werewolf."

Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 2)

Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:39 pm

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Maximillion sighed "Aye but I don't think you are fully innocent yet. I've been thinking over the hunter-wolf thing and it doesn't make sense for a TRUE hunter to claim that role. Their strength lies in the element of surprise. If you use it like you did, all you do is ensure you never get targeted. Which is pretty great if you happened to be a werewolf in allegiance with Astrid." he muttered.

"The problem with that is, if that's the case then neither of you knew what the unclaimed roles in the game were because there's two wolves. Which makes your gamble on being a hunter uncontested too much for me to suspect."

Maximillion nodded and began to pace scratching his beard "Listen, if Astrid wrongly-claimed troublemaker then they didn't know there was a safe unclaimed role and took a gamble to try and screw up the game. My bet is there's another wolf out there, maybe someone hiding away in the shadows not saying much, but unless someone else is going to come forward with any new information then this is the best bet we've got. I think we chance killing Astrid. If she's a wolf we win, if she's a tanner, we hate her out the rest of the games as far as we can until we all reach a level playing field."

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Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 2)

Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:46 pm

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"Personally I'm still confident in my initial theory. Astrid is a Werewolf. Honestly if I wasn't reasonably sure Stella really was a Hunter, I'd suspect her of being a second Werewolf: persisting in the theory that an accused Werewolf is really a Tanner is precisely what a second Werewolf would do," The Emissary said.

Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 2)

Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:49 pm

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Stella chuckled and shook her head. "I'm afraid I'm not following your logic at all, Maximillion. Say I was a Werewolf claiming to be a Hunter. Say this game had a real Hunter to counterclaim me. All the town would have to do was vote to kill one Hunter, then if they happened to kill the real one, they could take a dying shot at me and I'd lose anyway. Of course, nobody did counterclaim me, but if you'll recall, I was one of the first players to claim a role. If I was faking it, why take that risk?"

She smirked. "Granted, that could mean I'm the Tanner and was hoping to be counterclaimed... but if that was the case, you wouldn't want to kill me anyway, would you?"

Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 2)

Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:54 pm

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Maximillion scowled and tapped his arm impatiently "That's what I'm saying, your actions are suspicious and perplexing but it's too much for me to believe that you'd claim blindly so early a role when there's a risk of being counterclaimed." he waved a hand dismissively "It doesn't matter though, it's not you we've got evidence on. If you believe that me and Emissary are telling the truth then you know that's got to be an even shot that Astrid is a wolf, moron, or a tanner and that's good enough odds for me."

He gestured to the others "Unless you got a better theory and some evidence I'd like to see it. If there IS another wolf here then Astrid didn't know that troublemaker was claimed. It was a gamble for sure but that doesn't mean she's doing it to be suspicious as a tanner. Besides she tried to turn that into everyone voting for us anyway which might have been a plan all along."

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Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 2)

Sat Nov 30, 2019 1:35 am

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"Well, it doesn't seem like there's much else to say at this point," Stella sighed. "If anyone else has any final thoughts to share before we vote, I'd say now is the time to present them."

Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 2)

Sat Nov 30, 2019 1:37 am

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"Not me. My stance is unwavering," The Emissary said. "I am ready to vote."

Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 2)

Sat Nov 30, 2019 2:06 am

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"I know I already voted, and I do not intend to change that. However, I find myself growing doubtful," Vivienne said, shaking her head. "I believe this was discussed already, so I may have simply forgotten...but do we have reason to believe Miss Jepsen is not a Tanner? That's the only issue I'm hung up on."

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Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 2)

Sat Nov 30, 2019 2:16 am

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"If she is a tanner we'll just deny any cooperation with her in future games to even the odds a bit. The fact she's tried so hard to push the vote onto others though dissuades me from thinking she's a tanner." Maximillion shrugged before clenching a fist "Let's just vote and be done with it. Unless people are going to reveal some new information about their roles or if Hazel is going to have another vision this is getting us nowhere."

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Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 2)

Sat Nov 30, 2019 2:39 am

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“Oh, of course...that makes sense,” Vivienne replied, smiling gratefully. “My vote shall remain unchanged then. I suppose we’ll see what the popular vote decides now.”

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Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 2)

Sat Nov 30, 2019 2:47 am

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“What I think is best... what I think is best is to just play the game.” He cursed quietly to himself.

“Astrid looks bad. There’s no way I can deny that. And it seems more likely that she’s a wolf than a tanner, but it bothers me that The Emissary and Max aren’t even considering how possible that is.”

Luka sighed heavily. “Astrid seems like the best choice if we follow the evidence, but it has the worst consequence of we’re wrong. My gut tells me something is funny about Max and The Emissary, but I think Stella has a point about Ember too. Something’s not right about her and she seems like a safe bet. At the same time Zero really threw her under the bus which makes me think she could be innocent...”

Luka smiles at everyone, it seemed genuine. “Have you guys heard of ‘The Wisdom of Crowds’? It’s usually for guessing the number of candies in a jar, but I think it can’t hurt to discuss this a little longer. Even if we ‘know’ everything.”

Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 2)

Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:24 am

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"Not in a hurry to get it over with this time?" Stella snickered wryly. "Sure, I'm fine with talking it over some more. I'm not sure how much I can add to what I've already said, though."

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Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:24 am

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Astrid sighed. "I don't feel the winds are blowing in my favor, but I don't think there's anything I can do or say at this point to change anyone's mind. Let's just end this, and if it turns out Max and the Emissary won, we'll just deal with that in future games."

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Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 2)

Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:52 am

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As the arguing seemed to stop, there was silence for a bit. Hazel stared at the wall again, this time a different side. As she continued staring, she raised her eyebrow. "...Again?"

She looked at the others with a perplexed look on her face. "It says 'Villager'. I'm sure of it."

Re: NG9 Game Thread (Round 2)

Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:06 am

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Maximillion raised an eyebrow at Hazel but as she hadn’t specified who the villager was it was little more than random words.

“What do you mean, the ‘Wisdom of Crowds’ you’ve thrown out a few unusual terms I’ve been meaning to ask you about anyway. Seems now is a as good a time as any to learn while folks consider.”

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