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All that, and we're none the worse for wear.
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
Actually the point of the stall round was to carefully feel out our situation. Now we know there's at least one role other than Zero, items are present, and Z4 implied someone may already have one.
All that, and we're none the worse for wear.
All that, and we're none the worse for wear.
Yeah, we got some new info. We probably could've just Ally'd last round and not much would be different... but we're not in a position that's any worse off.
I suppose this round we should all Ally. We need to figure out who Zero is to make sure they don't get 9 BP... but there's not much we can do about that at the moment.
Also I got nothin' new.
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Option B:
Pierre
Option C:
BadPlayer
ShameNinja
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Vote Option B since Pierre doesn't want to go with me. *talk2hand*
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VOTE: OPTION C
...since the two other people who would be on my team already voted for that option.
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Bad Player wrote:
I suppose this round we should all Ally. We need to figure out who Zero is to make sure they don't get 9 BP... but there's not much we can do about that at the moment.
Agree that all of us allying is the best move here. We all need points, and we can't really set up any plans to deny Zero points yet until we have more information as to who they are.
Also, just going to point out that betraying when we're all planning to ally would be a really bad choice, given that it'd result in you essentially never be trusted to not betray again, and therefore most likely getting locked at six points for the rest of the game. Doubt this is new information to anybody, but still wanted to note that it's something everybody should keep in mind.
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Vote: Option C
I then proceeded to pull out my notebook and do some quick calculations. I had to figure out a trick to this game.
So if I have this right, the pair acts as one person in the AB game whose result affects each person in the pair identically. So if the pair ally and the solo betrays, each person in the pair would lose 2 BP and the solo would gain 3. On the other hand, the pair would gain 3 BP each on a betrayal and the solo would lose 2.
Basically,
P-Ally + S-Ally = +2/+2 and +2 = +6 overall
P-Ally + S-Betray = -2/-2 and +3 = -1 overall
P-Betray + S-Ally = +3/+3 and -2 = +4 overall
P-Betray + S-Betray = 0/0 and 0 = 0 overall.
I pondered a bit more and continued.
If an unlucky person ends up with 1 BP, it would make sense to do nothing but betray to prevent themselves from dying. Then again, it is a game of trust so they might risk an ally/ally just to try to "break even."
I returned the notebook to my pocket, then turned to Rov and Lida, extending a hand.
So, can I trust my teammates to ally/ally with me if Option C gets picked? I mean we know next to nothing about each other but it's better to start heading somewhere rather than nowhere.
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ShameNinja wrote:
Also, just going to point out that betraying when we're all planning to ally would be a really bad choice, given that it'd result in you essentially never be trusted to not betray again, and therefore most likely getting locked at six points for the rest of the game. Doubt this is new information to anybody, but still wanted to note that it's something everybody should keep in mind.
Yeah, I think having 6 BP might be the worst possible amount in the entire game. (Well, either that, or 1/2.) When you have 6 BP is when you have the strongest incentive to Betray your partner instead of Ally with them--meaning your partner will never risk Allying with you. Basically, just like NN said, if you Betray this round you'll likely get stuck with 6 BP for the rest of the game.
Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
We should also keep in mind that it may not be possible for everyone to vote in this next game, depending on which numbered doors are available.
As long as we can get one person from each colored solo/pair...
I really don't think we can do anything about this until we see which numbered doors are available.
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Vote: Option B
Bad Player wrote:
ShameNinja wrote:
Also, just going to point out that betraying when we're all planning to ally would be a really bad choice, given that it'd result in you essentially never be trusted to not betray again, and therefore most likely getting locked at six points for the rest of the game. Doubt this is new information to anybody, but still wanted to note that it's something everybody should keep in mind.
Yeah, I think having 6 BP might be the worst possible amount in the entire game. (Well, either that, or 1/2.) When you have 6 BP is when you have the strongest incentive to Betray your partner instead of Ally with them--meaning your partner will never risk Allying with you. Basically, just like NN said, if you Betray this round you'll likely get stuck with 6 BP for the rest of the game.
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Nego wrote:
The bomber might be a different thing though? Depending on their motives it could be they are trying to keep as many of us in here as possible, even if it meant betraying others.
I'm not sure how fruitful speculating about the bomber's motives is going to be at this point, though- all we know about them at the moment is that they have the same goal as the rest of us- to get out of here. I think the possibility that they have additional elements to their win condition- have a certain amount of players get blown up by the bomb, say- should be kept in mind, but until we know more it'd just be blind guesswork.
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Option B:
Pierre
Franzise
Nego
Option C:
BadPlayer
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Cesar
Slezak
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Rov
Lida
Both Rov and Lida need to vote for Option B for it to win
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JesusMonroe wrote:
Both Rov and Lida need to vote for Option B for it to win
Don't do it, man. You both know you wanna pair up with Slezak. He's a cool dude, I should totally know, I was paired with him last time.
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So much pressure, man. So much pressure! We're so popular all of a sudden, aren't we, Rov? XD
Pierre and Slezak are both cool dudes. I don't have a particular preference.
But I do have a coin! Hooray for random chance!
The coin has spoken. Sorry, Pierre.
I VOTE: OPTION C.
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ShameNinja wrote:
Nego wrote:
The bomber might be a different thing though? Depending on their motives it could be they are trying to keep as many of us in here as possible, even if it meant betraying others.
I'm not sure how fruitful speculating about the bomber's motives is going to be at this point, though- all we know about them at the moment is that they have the same goal as the rest of us- to get out of here. I think the possibility that they have additional elements to their win condition- have a certain amount of players get blown up by the bomb, say- should be kept in mind, but until we know more it'd just be blind guesswork.
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Half an hour later, everyone reports their findings. Four doors had been found: Door [1], Door [3], Door [4], and the door with no number. Just as everyone was about to decide their teams, an announcement came on.
“Hello, everyone. As I told you before, a majority of the numbered doors have items behind them. So, that means at least one of these doors has an item. Here’s how to acquire them.
Once you go into a door, I will tell you whether or not an item is up for grabs. If I tell you there’s an item behind the door, it can be obtained AFTER I say it’s up for grabs. Once I give the confirmation, there’s two ways to grab it.
First, you can just post in the thread, “I take the item”, “I want the item”, etc. Just some variation that makes your intention clear. If you’re the first one to say it, congrats. It’s yours.
Second, you can PM me saying, “I want the item” or something. If you’re the first to say it, congrats. The item is yours. The difference between asking for an item in the thread or a PM is that if you ask for it in a PM, the other players will not be made aware that you’re the one who acquired the item.
And this should be self-explanatory, but you can’t grab an item if you’re not the one who went behind the door with said item. Once you grab an item (regardless of if you grab it in thread or PM), I will PM you what the item is and what it does. It’s up to you to decide whether you want to share that info.
Have a nice terror!”
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1) It is impossible for us to go through all 3 doors
2) It is impossible for all 9 of us to go through a door
Anyway, Ace is my favorite character from 999, so I really really wanna go through his door :3 Also my bracelet number is 4, so that's gotta be a cool door to go through. As such, I propose the following groups:
Door 1
Door 4
No door
[1] - Franzise Deauxnim
[2] - Pierre
[3] - Nego
[4] - Bad Player
[5] - Slezak
[6] - ShameNinja
[7] - Rov
[8] - cesar26100
[9] - Lida_Rose
1+4+5=10; 1+0=1
2+3+8+9=22; 2+2=4
NN and Rov are each in a pair, so all six blocks will get to vote.
If anyone really wants to go through one or another for a specific reason we can wiggle it around a little bit, I think, but what I really want is: (1) I really want to go through door 1, and (2) I think the other team should go through door 4, and (3) NN and Rov don't go through a door. (3 isn't something I 'want,' but it's necessary if I want both 1 and 2, and we want all 6 blocks to be able to vote.)
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Rov wrote:
i want to go through a door though
It's impossible for all 9 people to go through a door this round; somebody has to not go through. It's most fair to make people who are in a pair to not go through, since they can still have their partner vote for them.
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Bad Player wrote:
(1) I really want to go through door 1, and (2) I think the other team should go through door 4, and (3) NN and Rov don't go through a door. (3 isn't something I 'want,' but it's necessary if I want both 1 and 2, and we want all 6 blocks to be able to vote.)
I'm fine with (3), but what's the rationale for (1) and (2)?
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Bad Player wrote:
Anyway, Ace is my favorite character from 999, so I really really wanna go through his door :3 Also my bracelet number is 4, so that's gotta be a cool door to go through.
C'mon, you know this is the best reasoning~
Also, like I said, it's impossible for everyone to go through a door. The most fair way possible, then, is for everyone who doesn't go through to be a part of a different pair (since then all 6 blocks get to vote). This is a distribution that achieves that. At the end of the day, the choice we've gotta make with this is pretty arbitrary, so unless anyone else has a good reason to do something else...
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1. A player with an item can freely give the item to a specific (or non-specific) player if they wish
2. Once a player dies, it's implied that whatever items they have on them are up for grabs (obtaining the items works the same way)
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Doors: 1 3 4. DR of 1 + 3 + 4 = 8
Everyone remains. DR of 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 + 8 + 9 = 45 -> 4 + 5 = 9
BP's configuration: Doors 1 + 4 = 5 (digital root)
Players going through: 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 8 + 9 = 32 -> 3 + 2 = 5
So by Bad Player's assertion and my theory, it really IS impossible to get everyone through the doors.
I then realized I had some business matters to attend to in "real life."
Sorry guys, gotta run. Be back later to make a decision.
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I am, however, a little worried about his choice of favourite character in 999.
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Nego wrote:
I am, however, a little worried about his choice of favourite character in 999.
*ahem* Anyway, if you do feel there's a need to sacrifice someone, then a vote is required. For example,
Vote: ShameNinja/Rov
or
Vote: BP Proposal
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I'd really prefer to leave nobody behind but in this case the math is just impossible. The best option really does seem like letting the two in BP's scenario stick behind because that still enables their pair to vote and they can still communicate via the QTs.
So, unless anyone has a better idea...
Vote: BP's Proposal
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Don't figure it makes much of a difference yet but want more people involved than less.
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Slezak wrote:
If one of the solo players don't get through a numbered door, is there just no AB game between them and the pair which do make it through? Or does a person who can't vote just auto-ally? If the former, then I guess it'd be just like a betray/betray once again. If the latter, then that really opens up to the pair betraying and the solo couldn't do anything about it.
If you don't/can't vote, you auto-ally. So yeah, the opposing side in the AB game could just betray at that point, but like BP said earlier, doing that right now would basically be slapping a huge NEVER ALLY WITH ME sticker on their forehead.
There could also be items behind the numbered doors, too. Not being able to go through a door means you give up any chance of getting something.
-edit- So here's all of the reasonable options this time around. I'm not going to bother assigning players to doors since that can be worked out in so many ways.
Pierre sits out, everyone else goes through doors 3 and 4
BP sits out, everyone else goes through doors 1 and 4
Slezak sits out, everyone else goes through doors 1 and 3
ShameNinja and Rov sit out, everyone else goes through doors 1 and 4
Nego and Cesar sit out, everyone else goes through doors 3 and 4
Every other situation would have more than two people sitting out, or would result in a solo and someone else sitting out.
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I think of the combinations Franzise outlined, BP's plan is probably going to be the best for everyone, as it will allow everyone to participate in some capacity.
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
Every other situation would have more than two people sitting out, or would result in a solo and someone else sitting out.
Pretty sure I'm solo this round, I can't sit out.
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I was going to let things alone for a bit since I basically get to vote either way we go, but I guess I'd better speak up before one of the choices becomes the majority.
I really think our best option is to leave one of the solos behind this round. We all agreed to vote Ally this time, right? So what does it matter if you personally put the vote in or let the system do it for you? I highly doubt anyone is going to Betray at this point; doing so would practically ensure nobody would ever choose to Ally with them again and they'd be stuck.
Yes, I realize this is going against what I said in Round 1, but that was before we found out there was a bomb, items, and so on. Now we have at least two people to watch out for; Zero and the bomber. As far as the bomb goes, we need the input device and the password to shut it down, or we need to ensure the bomber gets out. Otherwise, EVERYONE loses. If the bomber gets a hold of either the password or device, we're screwed as far as shutting the bomb off. That's why I think we should have as many people get through the numbered doors as possible; to give us the best chance of getting the items we need. As for Zero, one of the items might be a clue to their identity. Same thing goes as far as that, the more people going through the doors, the less chance there is of Zero getting a hold of an important piece of the puzzle.
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We don't have anything to go on, one way or the other. While we want to avoid Zero and the bomber from doing stuff, I'm not sure adding just one more person is really worth it. Plus NN and/or Rov might be Zero/bomber, so adding them in might just screw us over. As for leaving a solo behind, while it theoretically shouldn't make a difference since everyone should vote Ally, it's still the most 'fair' to leave pairs behind.
Anyway, time for a super-special-awesome twist I'm sure nobody saw coming. Vote: BP's Proposal
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That's a nearly 10% difference.
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Plus, the more people we have not going through a door, the higher chance we have that Zero/bomber doesn't go through a door at all. I'd say it balances out.
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Bad Player wrote:
Plus, the more people we have not going through a door, the higher chance we have that Zero/bomber doesn't go through a door at all. I'd say it balances out.
Doesn't it also mean that the chances of Zero/Bomber replacing an innocent is higher as well?In essence it doesn't really mean that much because I doubt anyone's going to betray this round but the more players we can get to take the items, the bigger the chances of a regular player getting them. Since we do not know who Zero/Bomber is, we cannot play the "let's shut them outside the doors" plan. It would be more effective to ensure we have as many players in the rooms as possible, at least until we have some kind of an idea on who Zero or the Bomber are.
Or are you saying you have something on Rov or NN?
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