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The second set of hints come to life over the speakers:

"Of those who own their own business, two are in group A, one is in group C."

"Of those who know the most about the Symphonic Warbler, two are in group A, one in B, and one in C."

"Of those who have been declared missing, one is in group A, one is in group B, and one is in group C."
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"...I believe I have mentioned my knowledge of the warbler previously", Hazel stated. "Its... 'immortality' in particular. So I am one of those people being referred to in the first hint, most likely." She turned to Stella as well. "And you seem to have one of them by your side, so you would seem to be one of them as well. That would leave... the advocate for the green and the young man." She looked towards Luka and Astrid. "I'm unsure which ones of us have been declared missing, though... other than the young man himself, and perhaps the other girl." She seemed to mean Anna by that statement.

"As for people who own their own businesses, I am a farm owner, as I have mentioned before." She reminded. "So the first two hints combined seem to place me in the first group. Who else could own businesses here...?" She glanced towards Maximillion and Stella now. "Ah... of course. Then perhaps we can start to place people in their positions properly now."
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Maximillion continued “And do you really still run a farm Madame? Or do you merely live in a farmhouse? I find it hard to believe someone who struggles to use a computer actually has a day-to-day part in the agricultural business, especially as far beyond retirement age as you are.” Maximillion clapped his hands together in front of his place as if in prayer.

“I have a theory.”

He threw his hands up as if praising the heavens “You know that’s hard to believe, there’s several of us here we don’t know the full occupations of. Wesley is an actor, he might be considered self employed, I’m unsure what Vivienne or Stella do myself but that is a possibility. You trying to mislead us into thinking you run a business by living in a farm is a sure sign that you belong neither in A, nor C but in B! With a burning hatred of this Jason fellow.”

Maximillion looked down and played with the frilly ends of his scarf. “Now your great-grandson, and the friend of Jason’s who was involved in an accident. I have no proof to say these people are one and the same. Nor can I say that your memory is fully returned to allow you to present yourself accurately which is why this is only a theory. However, your attempt to mislead the many magnificent people here has made clear your manipulations. If this answer is true then it means you have been lying about your capacity for some time madame.”

He threw out a finger dramatically an expression of delight on his face. His scarf seemed to hover slightly in the air with the motion.

“I propose we move Hazel to group B!”
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"Actors do not own their own business, usually," Wesley replied.

"Let's see... So four people are strongly familiar with the warblers. Luka, Stella, Astrid and Hazel, I suppose. Astrid is certainly in group C, which means one of Luka, Stella or Hazel actually despises Jason Church and has lied about their group placement. I do not believe it's Luka, at least.

"Business ownership is an odd one. It is like the engineer hint from before. Vivienne, do you run your own business? You called yourself a 'businesswoman' just now.

"Finally, those who have been declared missing... Well, that one is especially strange. Luka must be the group A missing person. At a guess, Anna must be the group C missing person. I suppose it would make sense if she were the fourth Fox Harbour High student as well."
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"...Oh, to hell with this. There's no way we'll get this entirely right, and if we fail to figure out who even one liar is, they can win up to half a million in this round alone."

Stella crossed her arms. "Maximillion, Luka, Astrid, and Mr. Naught all have far more money than the rest of us, and if any of them are lying, they could get dangerously close to winning the whole game, if not taking them all the way over the top. Nothing personal to any of you, but I think you've been winning enough thus far."

She turned to the other four. "I say we just vote to move those four to different positions so they can't earn anything this round. I'd rather throw away what miniscule chance I have at earning anything than risk someone walking away with a million right now."
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"Business ownership is an odd one. It is like the engineer hint from before. Vivienne, do you run your own business? You called yourself a 'businesswoman' just now.


“Yes, I do. I own a cosmetics business that’s been gaining prominence lately.”

Vivienne turned to Stella and added, “I agree that at least shifting those with the highest totals around would be a good idea. I don’t want the game to end quite yet, after all. I’m having too much fun!”
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"Am I really so far ahead?" Wesley said in surprise. "I don't think I'm doing as well as you might imagine. From my perspective, anyone who wins $500,000 becomes dangerously close to the $1,000,000 goal. If our plan is to stop people winning that $500,000, then we should all be moved, not just a few of us.

"That being said, I'm much more interested in finding a better situation than 'everyone loses'. Already we're making good progress: it's almost certain that either Stella or Hazel is lying. Conversely the other is certainly telling the truth. Astrid and Luka are also telling the truth, so that's 3 truth-tellers and 1 liar accounted for, out of 6 and 3 respectively.

"As Astrid is telling the truth, the other engineer must be in group C. This is likely Maximillion, meaning he, too, is a truth-teller. He must be the 'business owner' of group C, meaning group A needs two business owners. That might make it likely Hazel really is in group A, if farm ownership really counts."

Hearing what Vivienne said, he stopped to consider. "Well, this poses a problem: you and Maximillion both claimed group C, yet there's only one business owner in group C. One of you must be lying, though oddly the liar would end up in group A, which doesn't seem to fit either of you."
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"I was... missing?" Anna seems kind of shocked. "That's so sudden that even I'm surprised..."

"Anyways, will this really help? Even if we know they're lying, I don't think they'll admit to it."
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"Am I really so far ahead?" Wesley said in surprise. "I don't think I'm doing as well as you might imagine. From my perspective, anyone who wins $500,000 becomes dangerously close to the $1,000,000 goal. If our plan is to stop people winning that $500,000, then we should all be moved, not just a few of us."

"I know for a fact that you and Astrid at least have more money than I do, and I don't think I even need to point out that Maximilion and Luka are in the lead. On the other hand, Anna probably only has around 150K and I'd be surprised if Hazel has broken 100K. I'm not sure exactly how much Ember and Vivienne have, but I imagine they're in the same range I am. If someone does win big in this round, I'd rather it be one of the trailing players."

Stella shrugged. "But if you can convince enough players to vote to move everyone, be my guest. I already know that, outside of a genuine miracle, I can't win anything this round anyway."
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Hearing what Vivienne said, he stopped to consider. "Well, this poses a problem: you and Maximillion both claimed group C, yet there's only one business owner in group C. One of you must be lying, though oddly the liar would end up in group A, which doesn't seem to fit either of you."


Vivienne shrugged dismissively. "I'm afraid I can't resolve that dilemma for you. I believe I've made it quite clear that I've never even set foot in Fox Harbor before Mr. Church's disappearing act. Unless I happened to encounter him later on without realizing it, I see no reason why I wouldn't belong in Group C. Perhaps someone is simply lying about being a business owner."

"I wouldn't be surprised if Stella owns a business though. Honestly, I think Miss Hawthorne is certainly lying," Vivienne continued, turning to the old woman (who seemed to have fallen asleep). "Her owning a farming business is simply too convenient. She's probably just trying to place herself as firmly as possible in Group A. Additionally, Mr. Lauder's deductions seem reasonable, and Miss Hawthorne was quick to defend the liars against a supposedly rigged game. Additionally, Stella been arguing for the absolution of profits this entire time, which would be a foolish move for a liar to make."
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"You say 'someone', but if it's not you, it's Maximillion," Wesley replied simply. "You both claim to be in group C, but there is only one business owner in group C. Either one of you is lying about owning a business, or one of you is lying about which group you're in.

"I agree that Hazel seems more likely to be a liar than Stella, at least. Hazel would also have motive, especially given how fondly she seems to view her late great-grandson.

"Let us not forget also that there is supposed to be an actor in group A. Given the circumstances, I think it's likely a liar in group C is meant to be in group A."
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"Well maybe Max is an actor by the way he gesticulates all the time." Luka shrugged. "Or maybe Vivienne wanted to follow her sister's footsteps."

Luka looked at the area around him, then back to Max from the question he asked long ago. "I don't know much about the accident, but it happened here, and it has something to do with this farm equipment. It's very likely the boy who died was related to Hazel." He seemed much less sure about his original assertion that Hazel was in group A.
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"Let's organize our thoughts a bit..."

Astrid held up the piece of paper she had been working on.

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Hint #1: The engineers belong in the same group.
Engineer 1: Astrid (C)
Engineer 2: Max (C)
-No others have claimed to be an engineer
-This is probably correct. If the second engineer is actually someone else, then they need to currently be in A/B or C. If they are in C, then they are in a truth-teller, and have no reason not to claim to be an engineer. If they are in A/B, then they are Luka, Stella, Hazel, or Wesley, but it seems highly unlikely any of them is an engineer or had no feelings towards Jason.

Hint #2: One actor is in group A, the other is in group B.
-One actor is Wesley. Other actor is unknown (no current suspects)
-If Wesley belongs in A, both actors are lying

Hint #3: Four of you here went to Fox Harbor High School during the same year.
-This refers to Luka, Stella, Wesley, and one unknown person.
-Unless the fourth person is Hazel (highly unlikely), the fourth person must currently be in C, but likely belongs in A or B
-The current prime suspect is Anna. However, depending on her amnesia and the rules of the game, C might actually be proper for her
-Other possibilities are Vivienne and Max and Ember. Need to confirm ages and check with Luka/Stella/Wesley
-Wesley did not receive a high school education. Need to confirm whether he dropped out or did not attend at all.

Hint #4: Of those who own their own business, two are in group A, one is in group C.
-This most certainly refers to Max and Vivienne.
-Hazel has volunteered herself as the third person.
-Could Stella be the third person? Stella needs to confirm.
-Combining this Hint with Hint #1 implies Vivienne belongs in A.

Hint #5: Of those who know the most about the Symphonic Warbler, two are in group A, one in B, and one in C.
-This most certainly refers to Luka, Stella, Hazel, and Astrid.
-This confirms Astrid in C
-One of Luka, Stella, and Hazel is lying and belongs in B

Hint #6: Of those who have been declared missing, one is in group A, one is in group B, and one is in group C.
-This refers to Luka and two others
-Anna is a possible second. The third person is unknown.
-This hint can't help us much without knowing the other two people.


"Looking all this over, my current hypothesis is that Vivienne belongs in A, and Stella or Hazel belongs in B. Myself, Luka, and... Max are telling the truth." She seemed to have some trouble saying that third name. "One of Hazel and Stella is telling the truth. That leaves Wesley or Anna as the third liar."
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"Sound logic," Wesley said, nodding. "What I find strange, however, is the possibility that Anna is a liar. If she really has amnesia, she can't possibly know either way which group is hers.

"Though, why is it that she or I must be the third liar? Why can't it be, for example, Ember? Not that I really have any reason to suspect Ember belongs anywhere other than group C."
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After a beat, Astrid's face becomes the same color as Ember's namesake.

"O-Or Ember," she corrected herself as she quickly scrawled an addition note on Hint #4.
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"If you're sure three of the forerunners are telling the truth, that's just more reason to not bother trying to solve this and just go with my plan. Maximilion in particular has to be close to 500K at this point, another 300 would put him around 800K."
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"Well, if we're doing this, best make a note of everything else we have so far," Wesley said.

"Luka, Stella and Hazel claim to be in group A. I believe Luka is telling the truth. One of the other two is also telling the truth, while the third is lying. I believe Hazel is more likely to be the liar of the two.

"I claim to be in group B, no-one else does. Naturally I maintain that I am telling the truth about this.

"Maximillion, Vivienne, Ember, Astrid and Anna claim to be in group C. If you believe I am telling the truth, then two of them must be lying. Astrid and Maximillion seem likely to be telling the truth, especially due to the hints. Therefore only one of Vivienne, Ember or Anna is telling the truth. Vivienne seems to be lying, and it's more likely Anna is the third liar than Ember, particularly when we take the hints into account."
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“Hazel referred to Jason as a ‘nice boy’ in the Church room, just to be thorough. I do think it’s possible Stella could be lying but I’d put my money on Hazel. She just has a better reason to hate him, but it still would be nice to know Stella’s job.”
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"I'm not any closer than any of you are to figuring anything out through those hints." Ember crossed her arms. "But, I do think that whatever we do, we should move Stella. She's been dodging questions for a while now, and I don't like the way she tried to push that plan."

"And of course, from Wesley's reasoning, I know Vivienne and Anna are lying, but since my word isn't exactly helpful, consider this:" she raised a finger in the air, a gesture that simply screamed 'I'm copying a detective movie', "Anna has no memories, and Vivienne, through her sister, knows Wesley, who apparently knew Church. Of the three of us, I'm the least likely to know him."
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"I'm not sure how much more we'll be able to narrow this down, so to be on the safe side let's just move everybody," Astrid shrugged.
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"There's absolutely no way we're getting anything right here. Move the ones with the most money and be done with it." Anna sighs, or tries to.
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"There is one issue with trying to put everyone in their right places," Wesley spoke up. "The case of the missing persons. In particular, who here has both been declared missing and also fits in group C? I can't see how Astrid or Maximillion fit that role. Really, Anna is the only one I can see that being. This would, in turn, mean Ember is lying. This doesn't make much sense to me, yet I can't see any other configuration that fits all the hints."

Group A: Luka, Stella, Vivienne
Group B: Wesley, Hazel, Ember
Group C: Astrid, Max, Anna


"Astrid must be in group C, I cannot imagine that any other way. The engineers are in the same group, so Maximillion must be in group C as well.

"One actor is in A, the other B. I am in B, and... Well, I suppose Vivienne is the closest we have to a second actor?

"Two business owners are in A, and one in C. Max must be in C, as we know, so that puts Vivienne in A. Stella is, perhaps, a business owner as well: she strikes me as a self-made woman.

"The symphonic warbler pundits are two in A - Luka and Stella - one in B - Hazel - and one in C - Astrid.

"Finally, missing persons. Luka in A, Anna in C and... Well, likely me in B," he admitted reluctantly. "You're right, I never completed my high school education. I ran away from home, stars in my eyes... But I couldn't outrun my own nature, and all that awaited at my destination was more misfortune."
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Maximillion clapped his hands together and hopped enthusiastically on the spot before turning to Astrid and shaking her hand she in a congratulatory manner. “Oh what a completely comprehensive compilation of clues you’ve concocted for us! Truly well done Astrid! I can see your mind is still wonderfully sharp and should be rightfully feared.”

Maximillion released her hand and turned back to the others in a large shrug “I believe the clues are relatively well in place for us to deduce a lot of the pieces here...most interesting for me is the possibility that Hazel has been lying and misleading us potentially for a while about her memory.” He winked at her “I had never fully believed someone would enter this contest without a few tricks up their sleeve but you play a role so well it did leave me wondering.”

Maximillion sighed “But Stella does have a point. I can vote for the right answer as much as I would like...to move Hazel to B...then probably Vivienne or Anna since the clues seem to be leading them in other directions but that will not matter if the group collectively wants to sabotage this task.”

A mixed look of acceptance and disappointment crossed his face “That is something we should decide first as further debate is pointless if so.”
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“I’m fine with moving everyone.” Luka spoke up. “I do think we could figure this out, but we’re not getting the info we need from everyone.”
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“I’m completely lost honestly,” Vivienne said, clutching the arch and leaning against it with her eyes closed. “Everyone seems to think I’m in Group A, but I can’t begin to fathom why. I know I don’t have memory loss, but I’ve honestly never met a single person who went by the name Jason Church.”

Vivienne sighed in frustration. “Well, in any case, I support moving everyone. I’m not even sure I’ll gain anything if we all guess right anymore, so I might as well.”
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Ember sighed. "I'll agree with Wesley's plan."

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Group A: Luka, Stella, Vivienne
Group B: Wesley, Hazel, Ember
Group C: Astrid, Max, Anna


"... I'm not agreeing that I'm lying, by the way. But this plan seems to have the most people in the correct places."
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Stella arched an eyebrow. "...You do realize that plan has absolutely no benefit to you and only helps other players get closer to winning, right?"
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Hazel remained silent for a while as the discussion around her intensified. As the group seemed to be reaching a conclusion, however, she cleared her throat.

"...I believe I must correct myself in some aspects."

She took a step forward.

"You are correct. I do own a farm, and have lived on one for most of my life. But I do not believe that counts as owning a 'business', ultimately. So... that implies only one thing, does it not?"

She stepped forward again.

"Tell me... I'm sure you all have noticed this by now. This ring I wear on my finger." She raised up her hand, showing her ring again. The green stone embedded into it gleaned mystically. "You have seen it before in this very game... twice, even. The second time... being in the Church room."

Another step.

"It had befuddled this old woman for a long time how it had ended here. I have, in fact, not been lying to you about my memory... even now, some things have only started to resurface in my tired old mind. Indeed, what I said to you all in the Church room was not a lie... At least not at the time. I truly believed what I had said. But now, during the course of this game... a memory has returned to me, and only recently. That stone... I had wondered about that stone for a while and how it had ended in that little room. It seemed... strange to me. But there is a simple explanation for that."

Yet another step.

"I planted it there." Her expression darkened, as if she was recalling something she did not ever wish to remember. "I broke into Jason Church's room and placed that stone underneath the floorboards. That green gem is truly magical... you have already witnessed its effects earlier. I had only one singular intention in mind. To curse him... curse him for the rest of his life. I prayed dearly that the spirits of my family would haunt him for eternity, and left. I was giving him his due punishment... what he deserved, quite simply."

With this, she took her final step towards Wesley, and turned around to position herself by his side. "You are all correct. I am in group B, as you have excellently surmised." Her voice did not sound pleased, yet it still carried a tone of dignity with it. "With that being said, there is only one reason I am confessing to all of this. I intend to make sure that nobody else profits off this round, so that I can find another way to profit in a later round... though admittedly, I am running out of time."

"I support moving everyone", she announced. "I believe the others have the right idea here... there is little else for me to say here. Let us end this round quick while we can."
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Maximillion struck a pose and bowed deeply “A wonderful performance Madame. It does my heart well to see you are not as befuddled as you presented yourself as it truly had me concerned for your health.”

He smiled “Though I have my doubts about ‘magical’ properties, I think this clears up any doubts about where Hazel belongs.” He looked over at Astrids cheat sheet again.

“Though Wesley, while I mostly support your plan, why place Ember in the hatred category? I don’t think we’ve seen any sign she knows of Jason.”
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Wesley's eyes went wide as saucers at Hazel's proclamation. "You cursed... Jason?" he exclaimed, compelled to step away from the advancing old lady. "Are you the cause of what happened to him later, when he and Luka went missing? Your curse didn't just hurt him, it hurt those around him as well... Can you really be satisfied by that?"

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Wesley had to stop and think about that. "You're right, I suppose there isn't much reason for that. Really I was just trying to make everything fit the hints as best I could. This configuration does, at least, result in an even split between groups. And consider this: in order to be friends with Jason, one would have to have met the man, been in contact with him. But to despise him you need merely take issue with something he's done, whether you know him personally or not. It's easier, then, to place someone in group B than A if you can't tell what relation they could possibly have to Jason Church."
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"...So this really has been Jason's house we've been playing in, and not some recreation...?" Stella mumbled to herself before narrowing her eyes at Hazel. "When did you hide that stone in his room?"
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Anna is apparently trying her best, nodding along Hazel's long speech.

"That's... terrible, but I'm not sure if cursing people actually works? Uhm... I'm just going to vote to move everyone, that feels like the best thing to do right now. Did you already mention why you hated Jason...?"
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Wesley sighed. "Well, that's five votes to move everyone. We've reached our conclusion."
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Wesley's eyes went wide as saucers at Hazel's proclamation. "You cursed... Jason?" he exclaimed, compelled to step away from the advancing old lady. "Are you the cause of what happened to him later, when he and Luka went missing? Your curse didn't just hurt him, it hurt those around him as well... Can you really be satisfied by that?"


"Hmm... I simply meant that I made sure that the ghosts of my family would haunt him", Hazel clarified. "I thought that what he did later was some kidnapping of sorts, no? Are you saying that the spectres of years past are responsible in some way for manipulating his behaviour?" She questioned.

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"...So this really has been Jason's house we've been playing in, and not some recreation...?" Stella mumbled to herself before narrowing her eyes at Hazel. "When did you hide that stone in his room?"


"...I believe there may be some resemblance. However, his room was not the only one that was familiar to me. The Rich room from the very first round... it reminded me of home, yet it was not. The stones were there, the picture of my family was there... even the incense in the corner. Simply thinking about it puts me on edge... I did not like my time there. As for the stone..." Hazel paused for a second to think. "I believe it has been quite a while since I placed it there. Forgive me, I forget the details right now. When you get to be my age, time slips by you like sand through your fingers... I shall try my hardest to recall it though."

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Anna is apparently trying her best, nodding along Hazel's long speech.

"That's... terrible, but I'm not sure if cursing people actually works? Uhm... I'm just going to vote to move everyone, that feels like the best thing to do right now. Did you already mention why you hated Jason...?"


"Because of what he did to my boy." Hazel's reply was blunt, yet vague. She didn't seem to elaborate any further.
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"Round 5 has now ended."

"All players have earned zero dollars."

The robot voice makes the expected announcement, and the game ceases. The group is left standing in the field around the wedding arch.

A hundred or so feet away is the combine with the plaque next to it.
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"...Over 25 years ago." Hazel suddenly spoke up, turning towards Stella. "That was when I did it."

"It was certainly before the lad disappeared, that much I'm sure of."
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Maximillion sighed with disappointment "Well I can't truly fault any of you but throwing a match isn't in my personal philosophy." he nodded quietly to himself

"STILL! We did creep ever closer to the 'therapeutic' goals of this strange game as Hazel has now come forth with her hatred of Jason Church!" He straightened out his suit as he stepped down from the wedding arch "So we can hardly say this was a total loss when such information was gained."
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"A lot of the hints now remain unsolved," Wesley said, sighing. "We've earned and learned nothing. Well, I suppose as Maximillion says there was some benefit to this, but it's rather less than it could have been. Still, if we are done here I'd like to leave. I don't like this place."
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"25 years ago..."

Stella seemed lost in her thoughts, uninterested in the musings of the other players for the time being. She walked over to the rusted-out combine to take a closer look, as if there'd actually be some sort of clue still there.
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