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i am just wondering why alot of people seem to dislike i case 2-3 i for one enjoy it the music is good and the testimonys are challagenig also regina is cute lol and trilo is pretty cool and at the end when acro cries it just wow and the case wasnt that farfetched it was pretty interesting to me so what everyone else think of this case. also moe's jokes werent that funny
But when u do trilos testimony you dnt learn very much infact i dnt think u learn anything at all apart from the fact it could be someone else in maxs suit but in end that can be figured out wiht the need of all the tetimony so in effect u learn nothing from trilos tetimony and also max doesnt even have a motive so why they thought he was a suspect in the first place is beyond me lol
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I just don't like Moe.
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I rather agree. Most of the hate comes from hating Moe. I admit, his jokes did get on my nerves, as well as his laughter. But... Moe seemed to be the one to have his stuff together and really know what's actually going on with the circus. So I don't get the Moe hate, and as for the case itself... it bores me, but I don't hate it.
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I don't like circuses. ^^;' I never clicked with any of the characters. Acro's story just didn't bother me. I was like "... riiiiight. Anyway, moving on."

I wasn't that fond of 1-3 either. Maybe it's a trend. Though 1-3 grew on me a lot more.

SpinnyRoses: I think most of the Moe hate comes from cross-examining him. I find dealing with his constant jokes annoying, but I do agree. He is the only one with a head on his shoulders at that place.
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Funnily enough, Moe and Regina are among my favourite characters. XD I love Turnabout Big Top.
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Many spoilers...
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What about how it ends, I mean you know the killer doesn't fly away, but come on. The phoenix Wright team is brilliant, but, the cape "happened" to land on the bust!?!?! What is that! I'm sure they could have done better...
Also the defendant was, well... I little too gay for me... :pshhh:, could have done better.....
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i like to the way thought the end when moe becomes serious as in she get regina to come to court to watch everything but the bit b4 acro crys when he says he was wondering wheather or not to kill himself but then said he can;t up and leave yet which leads me to beileve either he wants to see his brother come back or still wants revenge on regina
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I agree with the spoilers in Balrog's post. I felt sorry for Regina, I wanted to shake Acro by the shoulders and tell him about Regina's innocence, naivety, stupdity maybe but also why didnt he just bloody talk to her :(
He wanted to see his brother open his eyes again.
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Hmm, I don't hate, or even dislike, any case in Phoenix Wright. I'm a little curious myself why people tend to put this particular one down. Oh and Illuminise, I can assure you that 3-3 doesn't keep up that "trend".
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I love Turnabout Big Top! I had so much fun with it. It made me want to go see a real circus ~

Also, Max is one of my all-time favorite characters. :pshhh:
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Jibo wrote:
Hmm, I don't hate, or even dislike, any case in Phoenix Wright. I'm a little curious myself why people tend to put this particular one down.
Ok, I see what your saying, and ya, you really, cant completely dis-like ANY PW case, but, in my PROFESSIONAL, opinion, this one was the worst... :godot:
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I thought how you got penalized when Moe told jokes was hilarious. :moe: Also, I loved his Fresh Prince references.
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Hey, I didn't say the whole case was bad, just most of it...
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I thought it was fine. Better than 1-3
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I liked it. Most people that don't, though, do have respectable reasons for disliking it.


Some didn't like the characters, and from what I've read it seems to be because they're too over-the-top, even for AA characters. Moe in particular gets on peoples' nerves, and I suspect that it has quite a bit more to do with his laugh than anything else.


Some didn't like how the murder went down, mostly because it uses a large amount of coincidences, including Berry wearing Max's outfit (and it getting subsequently caught on the bust) and taking Regina's place, Moe waking up just in time to see "Max" flying, among others. It doesn't help that some of the finer details are never properly explained, like how Acro would be able to tell Regina was coming if he couldn't see out the window.


Of course, there are also people that hate the case for reasons beyond the games' control, like a fear of circuses/clowns or just general hatred of the "filler" cases, but that's something else entirely.
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To me its boring, and just a bad idea from the start...
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I agree with the coincidences thing, everything just seemed too perfect in some places. I mean come on, there's virtually 0% chance of Max's cloak snagging the bust and staying there! And as you say how could Acro tell Regina was coming if he couldn't see the window?
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I know Regina is naive and sheltered, but when she saw the note, I think even she would be like "Ohmigod! Someone's trying to kill me/my father!". I'd at least be be suspiscious, not stick the note up on a fucking bulletin board!

Moe's laugh got on my nerves, but he was really the only character who was actually profound.
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As well as the coincidences thing, the characters were a bit too annoying for me. Regina was annoying, Max was annoying, but Ben, Trilo, and Moe were hilarious. Definitely the best case-only characters.

I liked 1-3 better, though. :moe-laugh:
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I just really hated the characters, and the overall plot of the case to uninteresting. I did like it more than 1-3, however.
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OK, I must say that 1-3 wasn't my favorite, but the for one reason, I like it a lot more then 2-3, :steel: :steel: :steel:, not only is the steel samurai one of the most inventive characters ever, but he has an awesome theme. It's one of my cell phone ring-tones! (along with Godot's theme) Any one who dislikes the Steel samurai theme is evil... but, come on, a gay & ugly magician... thats no defendant! :guilty: :guilty: :guilty:
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Max isn't gay, he's just extravagant like all magicians should be. As for him being ugly, phwww. I guarantee he gets more ladies than you, Pal.
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I actually liked Max as a character even though he was shallow and vain. He did make me laugh, and I couldn't help but think he and Regina deserved each other :)
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Well at least Regina+Max made more sense that Regina+Trillo.. :)
I mean that was just dumb to the extreme, you'd have to be a total arse (or disturbed) to fall in love with a dummy.
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you'd have to be a total arse (or disturbed) to fall in love with a dummy.

Yes, but Max did any way...
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Very good! :D
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I have few great reasons why I dont really play this case.
1) regina and her blonde moments (which are a lot)
2) Moe for his stupid jokes (though i actually chuckled at the worms lack higher brain fuction joke)
3) The case seemed boring it kinda felt like i was running errands more than investigating
4) Max...eh...he scared me a bit lol
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I didn't dislike it, i thought it was ok, just nothing special. Phoenix's right joke was funny too.
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Not really.........
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*Eyes flare* Did you say something, Balry?
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Ya, I said Wrights jokes was Really quite bad
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I loved this case. Moe was hilarious. His jokes were horrible. But he was hilarious.
I also loved how he
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Gave the testimony where he ranted about people not thinking he was funny. And also when Regina crying and Moe then said something like "She's been like that for 3 days." Or something.

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Moes music was so horrible that no matter what kind of character he was I hated being in a conversation with him. I dont mind him that much when hes testifying, because the cross-examination music is playing. :redd:

As for how acro knew...
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He said in the letter to come at 10:00. He waited until then, bust in place, until he heard the victim sneeze because of the pepper. He knew that they would be trying to pick it up at that point because they would be directly over the pepper, hunched over, trying to lift the heavy box.
Rather farfetched, but thats how I percieve it as happening. The cloak bit was a bit much, though. I guess the roses got caught on the cards or something.
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That case was okay... Not my favorite, though. I HATED Moe, but Phoenix's reactions to him were pretty funny.
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I almost loled when he was thinking of moe with all the bears in case 4, though. Emotional scarring XD

Wat'shisname... Max? He was creepy, with his pinkness and the fact that he doesn't seem to be wearing pants.

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The circumstances of the murder were absurd. I won't even address them.

The trial was off to a bad start right from the get-go. After the fourth time Trilo has to revise his testimony, you discover you've learned nothing of any value. I don't think you've ever learned so little at the end of cross examination. The entire Trilo testimony is a waste of time. And so much time could've been avoided if Phoenix had just said "It could easily have been another person wearing Max's costume. You never got a good look at his face, dude. Now GTFO."

Acro's desire to kill Regina seems entirely out of character for him. He knows that killing her won't bring his brother back and he knows there was nothing malicious about her actions. But he's still insistent enough to try killing her. Everything aside from his desire to kill Regina makes him out to be a level-headed guy. This doesn't make sense to me.


The case is not without merit, though. This is the first time the victim was actually the result of an accident. It also gave Franziska a bit more development. I liked Moe, too. The random moments of quality dialog mostly made up for the murder being nonsense.
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As for how acro knew...
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He said in the letter to come at 10:00. He waited until then, bust in place, until he heard the victim sneeze because of the pepper. He knew that they would be trying to pick it up at that point because they would be directly over the pepper, hunched over, trying to lift the heavy box.
Rather farfetched, but thats how I percieve it as happening. The cloak bit was a bit much, though. I guess the roses got caught on the cards or something.

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Ehm, yes, that's quite farfetched indeed.

Acro could have just listened to Russell's footseps in order to locate him. You know that you make more noise when stepping on a layer of snow than stepping on stonehard ground? I believe Acro could have heard them from his room, and once there was a brief silence he dropped the statue because he knew Russell was concentrating on the box. Or he heard the sound of the box being lifted up and then dropped the bust, alternatively.

And besides, if Russell had sneezed Acro would have noticed that it was Russell and not Regina, enough time to cause him to have a change of heart. :keiko:


I'm too tired to write my thoughts on this case right nao but let's just say I loved this case, if Ben &Trilo didn't exist...
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I agree with Dr. Diablo, I found Acro wanting to kill poor Regina really OTT, there was nothing cruel or malicious about what she did. Stupid and naive indeed, but cruel? Oh no.
And the entire case hinges on them seeing a "Max-like" shadow? Oh FFS...
You're right. Phoenix should have said "This case is a sham! STFU Trilo, no one actually saw the murderer's face!"
To say I hated the case is wrong though because it's PW after all.
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Wasnt 1-3 an accident too?

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I probably hated Max more than Moe to be honest. Ben was a complete wimp. I didnt have a lot of trouble cross-examining Moe, but his whole emo attitude about his horrible jokes was annoying. The music WAS good though and Acro's story got to me a lil.
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I liked it. Most people that don't, though, do have respectable reasons for disliking it.


Some didn't like the characters, and from what I've read it seems to be because they're too over-the-top, even for AA characters. Moe in particular gets on peoples' nerves, and I suspect that it has quite a bit more to do with his laugh than anything else.


Some didn't like how the murder went down, mostly because it uses a large amount of coincidences, including Berry wearing Max's outfit (and it getting subsequently caught on the bust) and taking Regina's place, Moe waking up just in time to see "Max" flying, among others. It doesn't help that some of the finer details are never properly explained, like how Acro would be able to tell Regina was coming if he couldn't see out the window.


Of course, there are also people that hate the case for reasons beyond the games' control, like a fear of circuses/clowns or just general hatred of the "filler" cases, but that's something else entirely.

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Acro's desire to kill Regina seems entirely out of character for him. He knows that killing her won't bring his brother back and he knows there was nothing malicious about her actions. But he's still insistent enough to try killing her. Everything aside from his desire to kill Regina makes him out to be a level-headed guy. This doesn't make sense to me.


But can you really say it's "out of character" when Acro's desire to kill Regina makes up the basis for the case? The fact that he "seems" level-headed when you talk to him outside of trial isn't any different than any other time Phoenix addresses a criminal. In 1-4 Yanni seemed like a harmless old man until you pried the truth out of him. Acro seemed like a decent guy, but by the end we learned he was really emotionally unstable. He's not out of character - it just means the audience doesn't get to see his real character until the end.

2-3 may have one of the most excruciating investigation phases in the series, but in the end I still like the case itself. It features a lot of coincidences, but I don't mind those as much as the faulty logic supporting some of the events in T&T. And I think Acro is a unique and interesting character. Can you imagine how bitter and angry you would have to be, to kill someone because their existence was driving you crazy?

If navigating the circus wasn't such a pain, I'd probably play the case over a lot XD;;;
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I haven't minded the far-fetchedness of any of the cases in the PW trilogy to be honest - it's part of the charm. You could pick holes in loads of them in terms of logic and likelihood etc.

But Moe (and Trilo actually) in the investigation phase and then in court just totally do my head in for this one.
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