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So, which JFA case 4 ending is Canon to the series? *SPOILERTopic%20Title
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So, I read up on wikipedia, that by the end of Ace Attorney 3 (Trials & Tribulations), Phoenix's trial record is 11-1, the loss being
Spoiler: AA2-JFA Case 4 Canon Ending?
the 4th case of Justice For All ("Farewell, My Turnabout").

So, does that mean the 'BAD' ending to case 4 of Ace Attorney Justice for All is the CANON, while the miracle (TRUE) ending is Not Canon to the storyline? :ack:

That sounds kind of sad, actually. :sadshoe:
Spoiler: AA3-T&T Case 3 Intro
I thought that Phoenix's 1 loss record would be that part he lost that case against Winston Payne, for the imposter Phoenix Wright. :payne:

But there seems to be a miss, somewhere.
Spoiler: Phoenix Losing records?
If Phoenix's first Loss record is from JFA Case 4, then he gets another loss point at the beginning of AA3-T&T Case 3. Unless that second loss record gets cleared up by the end of AA3-T&T Case 3.

Spoiler: Adrian Andrews, JFA Case 4 verdict?
But how is Adrian Andrews appear in one case of AA3, if she gets a Guilty verdict (If the bad ending really is canon) in the 4th case of JFA?

I guess I'm a bit confused here. :meekins:
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Indeed you are confused. It's quite simple.

Spoiler: JFA2-4
The CANON ending is the miracle ending to Farewell, my Turnabout. He (willingly) lost to Edgeworth. Matt Engarde was found guilty and Adrian was in prison for 6 months for tampering with the crime scene.

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Yep, thats what happened. Adrian was never given the death penalty in the first place. And she also did this in GS3
Spoiler: Case 3-2
She accidentally broke the kurain urn and got paint spots all over it. Even though Pearl broke it and repaired it to begin with
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Indeed you are confused. It's quite simple.

Spoiler: JFA2-4
The CANON ending is the miracle ending to Farewell, my Turnabout. He (willingly) lost to Edgeworth. Matt Engarde was found guilty and Adrian was in prison for 6 months for tampering with the crime scene.

Oh okay. So Phoenix's loss was for.....
Spoiler: JFA Case 4 Ending
Matt getting the Guilty verdict (Where he later gets killeld by Shelly De Killer). Not for Adrian Andrews, where here, Phoenix gets the 'miracle' (true) ending?
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Mostly correct, but I think you're still slightly confused.

Spoiler: GS2-4
You see, Phoenix and Edgeworth had set things up so that Matt had no choice BUT to take the guilty verdict. If he didn't then Shelly would come after him! So now Matt is safe from Shelly in prison and has to stay there the rest of his life if he wishes to stay alive.

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Alright. That seems to make sense. :phoenix:


But since this is a board for GS2, this next question may be a bit off topic. But it still retains to my question about Phoenix's Winning-Losing records.
Spoiler: GS3/AA3 Case 3 Intro
But how is Phoenix's second loss not count for when he got the Guilty verdict against Winston Payne (Due to the imposter Phoenix)? :payne:
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Alright. That seems to make sense. :phoenix:


But since this is a board for GS2, this next question may be a bit off topic. But it still retains to my question about Phoenix's Winning-Losing records.
Spoiler: GS3/AA3 Case 3 Intro
But how is Phoenix's second loss not count for when he got the Guilty verdict against Winston Payne (Due to the imposter Phoenix)? :payne:


I'd say that since that was not really him, it doesn't count.

Also, I've not played the case, but he may have been cleared of the loss since it wasn't really him (Cleared officially in the game, I mean.)
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It wouldn't really count as a loss, seeing as he wins the appeal.
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Actually, Phoenix didn't really lose 2-4. Considering he either won and Matt then admitted his guilt OR He won, but said Matt was guilty and gave him up. I don't think that should really count as a loss.

But yeah, he won the appeal, so in my mind, he's NEVER lost.
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Just think about it like this:
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Phoenix lost 2-4 on purpose, and he didnt "lose" in GS3, it was a fake phoenix. He won The first 8 cases, lost the 9th, theen won the next 3 cases( 2 of the GS3 cases you play as Mia Fey). He then left law.

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Spoiler: correction
He didn't leave law, he was disbarred, which means forbidden to practice law.


Regarding the T&T case, I think since it was revealed that it was in fact an imposter, and he won the appeal, it didn't really count as a loss. During the course of the case Phoenix finds what he needs to prove everything and thus clearing him of it.

Spoiler: 2-4
Besides, if you recall, in the bad ending, Phoenix abandons law and never sees Maya again, although he's sure that she is safe because de Killer is a man of his word. I saw that ending on YouTube.
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Yeah, the canon ending is the miracle. He technically lost that case. If the bad ending were the true ending, he wouldn't have that one loss point.
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