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musouka wrote:
I have to say I LOVE the way the game had Mia and Diego interact. They didn't need to talk to one another--everything that had to say was said in that one exchange as they looked across from one another in court, with her asking if he was sure, and him saying that he was. It was an exchange that didn't need words--like Mia "translating" what he meant for Phoenix. She knows him. He knows her.
AGREED. I personally would have liked to see more Mia/Godot interaction, but Lord that moment was amazing. So much is wrapped up in two short, simple lines, and it just makes sense. Beautiful.
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Blacker than a moonless night,
hotter and more bitter than
Hell itself... That is coffee.
hotter and more bitter than
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Sabra wrote:
I love the ending, even though Godot going to jail puts a damper on things. Oh well, if he dies then he can be reunited with Mia <3
Don't think so... Remember Mia's statement in court about Dahlia? "It's been a long time." The dead apparently don't meet each other again (unless they are both channelled to the real world). Or maybe Mia went to heaven and Dahlia went to hell :)
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One thing I didn't like about the end was the last piece of evidence.
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Yeah... Although it was obvious that his wound was hidden behind is mask, there wasn't really anything else to present than his profile. It'd been cooler if there was a picture of Godot and you could present the area where his wound was.
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The dead apparently don't meet each other again (unless they are both channelled to the real world). Or maybe Mia went to heaven and Dahlia went to hell :)
There really wouldn't be a reason for them to meet in the afterlife, unless they wanted to insult and make faces at each other in lieu of doing one another physical harm.
Personally, I think that Mia and Diego might be reunited, but Dahlia, bitterly obsessed by vengeance as she is, is somehow "separated" from where most other egos reside post-mortem. It seemed, from her testimony like her afterlife to that point contained nothing but waiting for revenge, no punishment, or even interaction with other beings, was involved.
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musouka wrote:
You can't be betrayed by someone if you don't care anything about them, even if it's just trusting them.
Nah, it's when you think someone cares about you - the other way around - that you can be betrayed.
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There's also the instance where Dahlia refrains for an entire 6 months from using "any means necessary" to get her pendant back from Phoenix, solely at Iris's request. During those six months she is under police surveillance, as Iris says, so her risk of being caught was quite high. In every other instance, Dahlia kills at the slightest possibility of exposure (See also: Valerie, Diego, Doug Swallow) but here she does not, for the sole reason that Iris pleaded with her to wait.
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Nah, it's when you think someone cares about you - the other way around - that you can be betrayed.
But that emotion stems from your trust of them. Furthermore, Iris's betrayal was something Phoenix "will never understand", even though she had betrayed his--and Terry's--love and trust by trying to frame him for murder. I'm not trying to claim that Dahlia had the warm fuzzies for Iris--far from it. But I believe if there was anyone in the entire world she felt something close to love for, Iris would be it. Dahlia doesn't talk about her step-sister's wanting to come clean as a betrayal so deep that it's incomprehensible to anyone that hasn't experienced it. Iris is the only one who could hurt her.
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As for Iris's "betrayal" of Dahlia, I'm inclined to think it relates to Iris's falling for Phoenix rather than the fake kidnapping as there's nothing terribly difficult to understand in the latter case.
There seem to be some elements of Edgeworth and Franziska's relationship in that of Dahlia and Iris. In both cases the two are both subject to extreme conditions that forge a unique bond, whether it be living through childhood together or survivng Manny's tutelage. Edgeworth "betrays" Franziska by forsaking the path of perfection and refusing her "help" to find it again. Franziska is left alone to support the terrible weight of the von Karma legacy, while her "little brother" has somehow moved on to a point she cannot understand, and so: airport scene.
Dahlia and Iris were, as Phoenix describes it "partners in crime." Iris was the only person with whom Dahlia had a meaningful relationship, as musouka says. Iris "betrays" this unique and singular relationship by somehow having feelings for someon else, Phoenix, a useless wretch. Phoenix, who believes in and relies on many people, could not possibly understand how it felt to be betrayed by the only person you have ever trusted. (Dahlia is unaware of how bitter Phoenix was when Edgeworth "chose death)
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