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Croik wrote:
But any evidence of the mirror was not presented in court. It wasn't at the scene, wasn't itself presented, there wasn't even a picture of it. Armstrong even admitted there was no such mirror, so how did Godot simply take Armstrong at his word that there was?


There was a reciept saying a large mirror had been delivered to that address. He didn't just take Armstrong at his word, there was proof of a mirror at that location and that approximate time.

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I don't think Godot "urked" any less than Edgeworth or Franziska.


No, I'm talking about when he urked. Most of the time, when it came to things that would have thrown Edgeworth and Fran for a loop, he remained completely cool. I think Edgeworth is a better prosecutor, personally, but I happen to think Godot came across as professional and in control 90% of the time.

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After all, they imply that he saw through Tigre's "Phoenix disguise" before anyone else, and didn't do a thing about it. He had to have realized that if Maggey was being represented by a false lawyer, something fishy was going on (and that she might be innocent). But it doesn't seem like he even bothered to look into it, even though it would have cost him very little to do so.


Oh come on. That's utter comic relief. To be honest, if Maggey and the others were too stupid to see the difference, I'm not sure there's a lot Godot could have done about it. And either way, it isn't his job.
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No, I'm talking about when he urked. Most of the time, when it came to things that would have thrown Edgeworth and Fran for a loop, he remained completely cool. I think Edgeworth is a better prosecutor, personally, but I happen to think Godot came across as professional and in control 90% of the time.


I can't think of any examples of that, really. Godot seemed cool in a lot of situations because he set them up that way. But I thought the things that did surprise him were things that should have been obvious. Or maybe it's because I thought GS3 was easier than GS2, so pointing out the contradictions made Godot look less competant. "If I spotted it that easily, why didn't he?" -know what I mean? But I can see how that response would be different for whoever was playing the game.

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Oh come on. That's utter comic relief. To be honest, if Maggey and the others were too stupid to see the difference, I'm not sure there's a lot Godot could have done about it. And either way, it isn't his job.


I think it's a valid point - Godot is a prosecutor. Making sure guilty people go behind bars and innocent people go free IS his job. It's pretty far fetched that no one caught on in the first place, but it's just as bad to realize and not do anything. It's not fair to discount that just because it's funny.

The game makes it obvious that Godot cares more about nailing Phoenix than doing his job, and I'd say that makes him a poor prosecutor.
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Hm, but don't *all* the prosecutors have an achilles heel in this game? (except maybe Payne).

Aren't they *all* blatantly shown as putting other things before truth and justice and therefore all have to seek redemption one way or another?

It's unlikely to me that in the early days of their careers (or at all for MVK) any of 'em would have complained about winning even if they thought that a defence attorney was an imposter. Just so long as they won.

It seemed to me that was a repetitive moral point made in the game.

I don't think Godot is any worse than Edgeworth, MVK or Fran in that respect. It's just that his redemption is different, and he went further in his single-minded obsession than the others ever did (except maybe MVK actually).

Does this even make a lick of sense?
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Croik wrote:
It's pretty far fetched that no one caught on in the first place, but it's just as bad to realize and not do anything. It's not fair to discount that just because it's funny.


Judging by the intro, Tigre's disguise was pretty damn good. That said, it could be exaggerated so you think it was really Phoenix.

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Godot cares more about nailing Phoenix


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Croik wrote:
I can't think of any examples of that, really. Godot seemed cool in a lot of situations because he set them up that way. But I thought the things that did surprise him were things that should have been obvious. Or maybe it's because I thought GS3 was easier than GS2, so pointing out the contradictions made Godot look less competant. "If I spotted it that easily, why didn't he?" -know what I mean? But I can see how that response would be different for whoever was playing the game.


Well, as long as we're talking about Armstrong, how about Armstrong hitting on him for one? He reacts much better to witnesses than either Fran or Edgeworth.

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I think it's a valid point - Godot is a prosecutor. Making sure guilty people go behind bars and innocent people go free IS his job. It's pretty far fetched that no one caught on in the first place, but it's just as bad to realize and not do anything. It's not fair to discount that just because it's funny.


What about Gumshoe? He knew Godot thought that Phoenix was a fake. Why didn't HE do anything, especially since he's in love with Maggey? Because it's a point of humor. It tells us that Godot is an asshole, but it says nothing about his courtroom skills.

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The game makes it obvious that Godot cares more about nailing Phoenix than doing his job, and I'd say that makes him a poor prosecutor.


3-2 throws a wrench in that idea somewhat. I think Godot is obsessed with beating Phoenix, but it comes down to that fair aspect. He doesn't want to beat him any old way. And he doesn't throw tantrums when he loses.
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Yes, they make it pretty clear that:

- Godot is obsessed with beating Phoenix:
-A: Because he hid the poison that should have killed him
-B: Because he didn't save Mia

- He also doesn't trust Phoenix, which is why he doesn't let him in on the threat on Maya. Godot wants to save Maya to 1) Make up for letting Mia die and 2) to get revenge on Dahlia for poisoning him (although he doesn't realize this until later).
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