Magnificent Turnabout, in-freakin-deed.

My friend is an awful translator and it was -still- unbelievably awesome.

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That was the most amazing case I played. It was kind of surprising to actually see 3-1 and 3-4 tie into it, though (and I expected another prosecutor since the "epic" cases from the previous games all had a different prosecutor for the final case).

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Actually, I thought it kind of sucked! (<=ironical emoticon)

Maya in trouble AGAIN. The amazing flying corpse. Super picky snow-forecast-timeline cross examinations in the beginning, easiest evidence presentation ever at the end. And Godot's super whine-fest. I was really annoyed that they took all the attention away from Phoenix during what should have been his last great moment. It was supposed to be the final battle, Phoenix's final step, on his own, to prove himself as a great lawyer--and it all turns out to be a lame test by an egomaniac which all could have been easily avoided in the first place.

Maybe it would have been worthwhile if Maya developed at all because of the ordeal, but she really didn't (or at least, the game ends so soon after the trial there's really no indication that she did). And despite all the praise Mia gives Phoenix for his amazing skill, the last few crosses are so obvious it left me feeling like...really? Mia finally lets him win a case on his own, and...that's all it took?

I enjoyed the investigation phases much more than anything in trial because at least then you had the Chinami mystery to work out, the surprise of the psycho locks, Franny whipping Larry, etc etc. It was fun playing as Edgeworth and Phoenix/Ayame were cute. But as an ending I thought it completely fell flat.

But then...not everyone likes 2-4, and that's my favorite.

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The snowmobile/weather/general ZOMG-was-there-snow-on-this-at-this-time-when-it-should-have-been-that-time stuff was making me , but once Larry got up on the stand it became fun again. Currently in the middle of investigation phase two, so I...probably shouldn't even be in this thread, but I just wanted to mention that.

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Here was my problem:

Sure, I loved the character progression and all that jazz, and it was a fun case, I just had trouble following the logic you're supposed to use to figure it out. It seemed like they were "reaching" to find a way that everything fit together in the end; it's like the storywriters had the idea for the case, they had the idea for the culprit, but they had to somehow fudge together a way to connect them and not contradict themselves too much.

I personally enjoyed 2-4 just a tad more than 3-5, because of the sense of urgency. I didn't feel as bad when they kept mentioning "OMG Maya must be cold out there, but ah well, we're going as fast as we can, we'll see what happens *shrug*".

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Though it's one of my "top three" in the series (GS1-4 and GS3-2 being the others, yay Amasugis), there are some parts of it that I'm not too crazy about.



Other than that I thought it was great. Can't wait until I play it in a language I can fully understand.

Because I recently finished the game, I can't believe I'm finding someone, AND IT'S CROIK, that I agree with most. @_@ I really thought I was going to enjoy 's past, and I made sure not to read any spoilers, but when you find out...

He falls really... really... on his face compared to Edgey and Franny in my eyes as the 'villian' prosecutor of the series. Emo too.

Yeah I just wanted to bring this back up cause I'm reading through old threads and this post literally speaks what I want to say; only better and before I ever posted anything.

1 > 2 = 3 IMO. 3 is on equal footing JUST beause they have cameos.

Eh. 2-1, 2-2, and 2-3 especially were "bleh."

Whereas 3-1, 3-2, 3-3, and 3-4 kick ass.

So even if you don't think 3-5 is as good as 2-4, the rest of the game (and the music, too) just... beats it comfortably.

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Maybe it's because 2-4 was the only case I didn't have spoiled for me, but I absolutely loved it, it's a freaking emotional roller coaster, and when you have to make THE DECISION man... that was huge, I must have spent like... 10 minutes thinking out everything... it was such a powerful moment for me, and I still get glimpses of that same emotion everytime I play it again.

On the other hand 3-5 would have been amazing if I hadn't had it spoiled, I suspect.

Which considering what I know about 4-4 and 4-1 makes me sad :(

I still liked it though =/

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If you can call overuse of JFA music and not enough "Original" music comfortable, then yes. Otherwise, no. 3-5 was fail. Not the worst but still fail. Worst would go to 3-3 or 3-1, but probably the latter by just a smidgen.

~Fin.



BZZT! Wrong! 3-3 wasn't all that great. 3-4 was a pain in the ass, 3-1 is 3-1, and 3-5 is arguably the best case ever. The only real memorable case off the top of my head is 3-2, which - Zvarri! - has the greatest character ever.

Everyone knows that the original is always the best. Even though 2-4 is clearly the best case of the trilogy, it just can't beat the charm of the first. Your logic was flawed from the beginning.

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That's another thing. What is WITH Trials and Tribulations and its RAGING HARDON for Search ~ Core 2002?

I can't remember a single plot twist where it DIDN'T play. I was amazed it didn't play during the Super Objection! scene.

Which disappointed me, because Search ~ Core 2002 was so awesome when it played JUST for Matt.

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Yeah you're right. .... Let me re-measure the cases in my head again.

3-1 >>>> 2-1
3-2 ==== 2-2
3-3 >>>> 2-3
3-4 <<<< 2-4
3-5 <<<< ....

Okay, 3 squeaks by a bit more. I think it was cause I was reading so much hype about how most fans seemed to like GS3 more, I guess that heightened my expectations of 3 by that much more. And with it being the end of the Phoenix trilogy, I really share Croik's disappointment in the ending.

And I felt that most of the characters haven't been sent off with a proper goodbye, like it was just a fast way to go, "Okay, no more character development!" ;-;

And I do like 3 music as much as 2. (The courtroom music rocks the best to me. Announce the Truth are all equal in all 3 games. However, 3 did use a LOT of 2's.)

And I LOVE Search ~Core 2002~

This seems sad because it's almost like they were rushing the game or the composer was just lazy so they said, "We're behind schedule. Instead of pushing the release date back like any good game, let's give the fans what they like and repeat the music from JFA, instead of taking the time and care to create new music and treat the game with utmost care like we did the first, which is what made it so awesome."

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GAH! Search Core ~ 2002! The programmers had freaking ORGASMS over that one! In 3-5 they played it after just about every crossexam! It honestly made me very, very mad. It's such a good song, but any song loses its awesome when it is overplayed.

So...this topic appears to be back from the dead. 3-5 sucks. Biggest letdown ever. Seriously, during the second half of the first day of investigation, I called my friend and told her that this was by far the most awesome case ever. THE MOST AWESOME! BUT THEN! They go and make it the lamest disappointment of a disapointment that the world has ever seen. That's why I hate it so much. Examine the facts...the opiniated, biased, prejudiced facts...

-Throughout TnT, the game writers build up an incredibly sinister villain who even threatens you that she will be back when you nail her in 3-1
-In 3-4, you get to meet all the old cast (i.e. Judges Bro, , , , , , ), and they are tied together by a tragedy (and really, a loss to their side and a victory for the Dahlianator), a case which only made you itch for the moment when the new cast finishes it all and sets the past to rest
-In 3-5, the investigation starts off in a super awesome way that beats out 2-4's opening, because even BEFORE the murder occurs, you have a massive mystery on your hands in the form of Iris and her similarness to Dahlia
-Then, in the awesomeness that is playing as edgey, everything is super cool
-In the first day of court, almost all of the crossexams take a lot of thinking and have difficult contradictions
-Misty fey makes a comeback, just as we all knew and hoped she would

This first half was very well done. So was the second half, at least until the story writers all had heart attacks and a bunch of illiterate third graders took their places and filled everything with deus ex machinas. For example...

-OMG Iris has a twin!
-Not only that, but the twin was excecuted and later CHANNELED BY A MEDIUM and tried to kill the victim
-And then, I mean hey, this awesome evil character that we have built up for forever is actually not the killer! Instead, this cool cat who ISN'T satisfying to take down and really is just laying everything out for you while the testimonies are super easy...IS!
-...no butterflies...
-Woot, time for stupid, anticlimatic, un PW-ish breakdown, missed opportunity for an unexpected plot twist, and a bitch who you dont even get to bitch out because she gets bitched out by your dead mentor
-Lets all say that feenie is a fantastic lawyer, even though he didnt catch Dahlia and Godot practically spelled it all out for him
-Poorly done ending, no satisfying closure (Diego/Mia, 2-4's card, Franny and Edgey discussing their futures)


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ANYWAYS, if you bothered to read all of that, that is the way I feel about 3-5. In other words, 3-5<3-1<3-4

Umm...I though 3-5 was pretty good...but yeah...
IMO, the award for Most Epic Investigation goes to 3-5.
Most Epic Trial: 2-4
Best storyline - DL6 (because the first game also needs a prize :D)

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Brandon- I finished the game earlier this week and couldn't agree more. I loved this game up until the end, especially the first half of 3-5 (being able to play as was unexpected and awesome). While I agree that the tacked-on twin thing was cliche and silly, and the spirit channeling thing was overdone, I went with it, assuming there was going to be a big pay-off. Everything was okay until that last part of the trial. I still can't get over how huge of a letdown the ending was after getting so into the rest of the game. Godot's connection to the case seemed forced (he knew about the letter beforehand?) and it seemed they were going for a cheap "emotional" effect on the audience, because they made Godot to be one of the most (if not the most) interesting characters in the series. He wasn't presented as a villain like Manfred or even Franziska in wanting to defeat Phoenix at any cost. He obviously didn't like him, but he certainly wasn't someone (as people already said) you couldn't wait to take down in court, like so many of the others in previous cases. It came off like they just needed someone shocking to pin it on, even though the prosecutor being the murderer was done before. Plus, we don't get a word about him in the credits (I mean, we even hear from Oldbag!) so it's left frustratingly vague as to whether he even lived or died (or how, if he did). It just left me with an empty, sad feeling. Plus, what a huge wasted opportunity to resolve the Dahlia thing in a satisfying way that would leave no one disappointed.

Sorry about the long rant! I could go on, but I'll give it a rest for now.

eh...id say its about even with 2-4 theyre both great though but at times I liked 3-4 better

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Case 2-4 is my definate favorite too, but I still find 3-5 as one of the best. Maybe not the second or third best, but maybe forth. I loved it a lot, especially because you could control Edgeworth. The fact that there was some hard parts (and easy parts too: I knew what was wrong with Larry's scetch since I first saw it) made it feel like case 2-4, which was really hard. I just like cases like that: massive, challenging and great plot.

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the case was pretty crazy, but it was one of the funnest turnabouts ever

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My biggest gripe is that they killed off the main villain BEFORE the finale. Even more than the abuse of Search - Core 2002.

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