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Today I thought about Turnabout Bridges in Trials and Tribunals and just recently I noticed, under the veil of initial surprise, which the case brought, how nuts the case itself is, especially the behavior of two of the characters.

Godot:
While prosecuting and accusing EVERYBODY ELSE THAN HIMSELF of murder, he knew all along who victim and killer were. Of course it's noticable that he helps Wright a little, conscience and stuff, but I can't imagine how he could prosecute against Maya, who just "killed her mother", putting her on the line for execution (apparently even manslaughter is written down as murder and punished as such in the screwed up attorney-verse), despite saying that he did the deed to protect Maya. Then again, maybe he didn't care about Maya in the first place. Or Iris (who looked like the person he hated). I bet he would have prosecuted against Pearls if Dahlia actually succeeded in killing Maya. Ass. Also there's the thing that he could have simply destroyed the instructions Morgan left for Pearls, since he came to read them before her anyway. Would have been much safer. But okay, he wanted his revenge. I can see that. In some thinned-out reality, where Godot has nothing left of Diego Armando's gentlemanish character traits, it is possible for him to act like he did, although it makes him a very big butthole. But then there is also:

Misty Fey:
Godot told her about the plans and planned the whole thing with her with emergency plans and all. Here is what she could have done:
Destroy the plans (if Pearls hasn't read them yet)/cancel the trip to the spirit camp by simply showing up (more than enough reason to cancel your holiday weekend, I think)/having a talk with Pearls at the temple ("Hi, I'm Maya's mother. Um, please don't channel Dahlia, she'd probably kill Maya and I guess you wouldn't like that, thanks. Come on, let's read a book.")/having a talk with Maya ("I was leaked information that somebody has the intention to kill you! Please believe me!" Maya would believe her. She's been in too many odd situation to afford not listening to a murder warning)/slipping a warning under Maya's door (see suggestion before)/chloroforming Pearls/locking up Pearls/convince Iris not to chime the nightbell/chloroforming Iris/locking up Iris/destroying the night-bell SPIRIT MEDIUM STYLE/killing Bikini so everybody's too distracted/burning down the bridge herself after Maya went to the other side, Pearls still being on the side with the snowmobile/locking herself up, channeling Dahlia just before the bell went so Pearls couldn't channel her and lose hope after a few minutes which Dahlia hopefully wouldn't use for returning to the spirit world/kidnapping Maya out of the danger zone/convincing Bikini to close the place for a few days for which Pearls planned the trip (Bikini would have believed that she was Misty Fey, after all)... The possibilities are sheer endless.
And here is what she did:
Did not destroy the plans/failed at guardwatching a firstgrader/channeled Dahlia so Pearls couldn't channel her (JUST HOW THE FUCK IS THIS ANY BETTER FOR MAYA!?)/pose a lethal danger for Maya, Godot and herself/got killed.
Great plan, Misty. You sure are a spirit medium genius. Too bad you're also dumb as shit.

Man, it was bad that Misty vanished for nineteen years, because she failed once and brought shame upon thy holy bonds of spirit channeling, but now I really hate her for being such a stupid cow.
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Er, you might wanna spoilertag that post or tag the title (Spoilers). Or both. Actually, it'd be best if you did both.

But honestly, I loved 3-5. It was pretty in-depth... but I just did not like the last part of the trial.

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Once Dahlia was gone, there went the rest of the fun.

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Yes, I might. But I think anybody not being able to think that a thread clearly stating in its title that the (in same title) stated case is being discussed, skipping the first paragraph of the first post, which does not contain any spoilers, definitely deserves to be spoilered into oblivion for his or her ignorance.

And don't get me wrong: I loved the case when I first played through it, but now I just noticed how badly written the whole thing actually is. The turnabout is basically a giant "PLOTHOLE" scream.
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Rianq wrote:
And here is what she did:
channeled Dahlia so Pearls couldn't channel her (JUST HOW THE FUCK IS THIS ANY BETTER FOR MAYA!?)/pose a lethal danger for Maya, Godot and herself/got killed.


yes, she did fail at keeping watch on pearls
BUT
she channeled Dahlia so pearls wouldn't be involved
AND
everyone who channels Dahlia becomes a lethal danger(Dahlia takes over). That's why godot was there so
he can do something if the plan goes wrong
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It was not her fault she got killed. It was Godot's fault. He could have just knocked her out.
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There were a lot of things they were just idiots about doing/not doing.

If Misty HAD to channel Dahlia, why didn't they... I don't know... tie her up before she could try to kill Maya?
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So I was not the only one thinking this!

seriously, Godot, knock her out, tie her up, but

Spoiler:
:godot: DUR HUR I'MA GONNA KILL ME SOME WIMMENS!!!



and dude, please spoiler tag that whole thing =/
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I thought he said it was mostly about revenge?
Otherwise, yes there were easier ways solve the problem.
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1. The name of the case is Bridge to the Turnabout.
2. It's Trials and TRIBULATIONS, not Trials and Tribunals.

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Of course there were safer ways to handle the situation, and there were things Godot could've and should've done. However, his ego was too big, and in the end, he was only thinking about himself.

Spoiler:
The Dahlia situation...we all know it was because he wanted to save Maya...because of his failure to save Mia...but another component was that since it was Dahlia reincarnated, and he was only in this situation for himself, of course he's going to take advantage of the situation and try to kill the woman who "killed" him, and prevented him from saving the woman he loved. He didn't care one bit that he could've harmed Pearls/Maya/Misty in the process, he only was thinking about himself.


As for the
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Misty situation...this one's a little tough...Godot must've done some slick talking to convince her to help him...I'll have to give this one more thought....

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I wonder if Godot really is satisfied now. I mean, he can't possibly kill Dahlia more than she already is. Also I think that the whole Fey familiy dies too quickly. I always figured Mia is the type to learn some nifty self-defense she could have applied against that wimpy Redd White.

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Spoiler: end of 3-5
i dont know why godot said than they dont know who was the murderer, when the judge proclamed iris innocent
well, capcom must show of some way than godot was the killer blahblahblah and he was going to die, but, that form was a little, hm, questionable, dont you think?
they could have done the whole thing; until dahlia appears, to the end of the case; a little diffrent

thats the only thing i dislike for the case
however, 3-5 still beign perfect

and, yeah, for example
Spoiler: how to handle 3-5 situation
misty should have said bikini than plaease, leave the inner temple for her, hide in the sacred cavern, seal it with 5 psyche locks, and channel dahlia
if they could have done that, everything would be normal, perfect, misty fey would still alive, dahlia would never thinked than she killed maya, morgan's plans went to the trash and godot wouln't died
but, like a lot of users have said before, godot wanted to protect maya and kill dahlia; to create a simulation of protecting mia, and killing the human who has finished with her live

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Quote:
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i dont know why godot said than they dont know who was the murderer, when the judge proclamed iris innocent
well, capcom must show of some way than godot was the killer blahblahblah and he was going to die, but, that form was a little, hm, questionable, dont you think?
they could have done the whole thing; until dahlia appears, to the end of the case; a little diffrent




I think it was because
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Godot finally realized he was a jerk/egotistical maniac, and that this whole thing was his fault, so he made the objection to help Nick draw him out to confess. I think he did it in that way because he first wanted to see if Nick was capable of being Mia's legacy, so to speak, and because he still was a jerk, he played the game of cat and mouse till the end because he's got an ego.

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I don't so much mind Godot's behaviour (just make it so he read the instructions after Pearl), but Misty Fey was pretty dumb, yeah.

Still, I enjoyed the hell of the case regardless.
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This is what I believe happened.
1. Godot wakes up
2. He immediatly becomes a prosecutor to be able to listen in on a plan he learned about after becoming a prosecutor
3. He then goes to Pearl's house and reads the note. He leaves it where it is
4. He goes to the temple and waits.
5. He gets trapped there and gets DAMN LUCKY PHOENIX FELL otherwise there would be no excuse for his absence in court.
6. He kills Misty who he knows is channeling Dahlia.
7. I think he then does the infamous pendulum and calls Iris.
8. She takes the body and stabs it so it looks like she killed him in the temple.
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Xero Wright wrote:
Er, you might wanna spoilertag that post or tag the title (Spoilers). Or both. Actually, it'd be best if you did both.

But honestly, I loved 3-5. It was pretty in-depth... but I just did not like the last part of the trial.

Spoiler:
Once Dahlia was gone, there went the rest of the fun.


Yeah, in fact most of the characters considered the case finished but the guilt was apparently eating Godot to badly for him to let it go.
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Ajerben wrote:
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Rianq wrote:
And here is what she did:
channeled Dahlia so Pearls couldn't channel her (JUST HOW THE FUCK IS THIS ANY BETTER FOR MAYA!?)/pose a lethal danger for Maya, Godot and herself/got killed.


yes, she did fail at keeping watch on pearls
BUT
she channeled Dahlia so pearls wouldn't be involved
AND
everyone who channels Dahlia becomes a lethal danger(Dahlia takes over). That's why godot was there so
he can do something if the plan goes wrong
AND
It was not her fault she got killed. It was Godot's fault. He could have just knocked her out.
:edgeworth: :edgeworth: :edgeworth:


That's what I was thinking while I played this after all Godot was behind her during this incident.
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Maya should have channeled Mia, and then her and Dahlia could have had a dead bitch-off with swords and such. It would be very, very hot.
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Brandon Strong wrote:
Maya should have channeled Mia, and then her and Dahlia could have had a dead bitch-off with swords and such. It would be very, very hot.


D00d, that is one of the single most awesome ideas I have ever heard. :gant:

On topic: I understand Godot's reasoning, however I do agree about the Misty point, as said earlier, Godot must've done some smooth talking.
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