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Terry Fawles *3-4 ending spoilers*Topic%20Title

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So here's one thing that I can't understand. I remember that Terry had committed suicide at the end of the case and so the trial was put off for all eternity.

But if I'm understanding this right, 5 years ago (11 if you add up the years) Valorie shot Terry in the arm and she framed Terry for killing Dahlia when she jumped off the Dusky Bridge. No one died.

And after that was established, Mia acknowledged that Terry was on death row still when she was thinking about the case. But technically, if Dahlia was still alive, and no one was dead, wouldn't that make Terry innocent? Wouldn't it be enough to take him off the execution list? He was wrongfully thrown in jail, and he should have been let free, or at least tried for being an accomplice since he did help plan the fake kidnapping. (Accomplice for what? No one died 5 years ago.) And then we see that Dahlia was an evil woman who planned the whole thing, and she was the true murderer if I'm remembering right. Do I smell a contradiction? Or is there something I'm missing?
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Terry wasn't on trial for killing Dahlia in 3-4, he was on trial for killing Valerie.

And it was never proven that Dahlia was behind the kidnapping. Mia didn't have the evidence.

And according to 1-5, once a case is solved, it's considered closed forever after two years. So Terry wouldn't have been able to get a retrial anyway.
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That's right... how could I be so stupid?

Ugh, I have such a crappy memory.

*kinda off topic but oh well.*
Spoiler: 1-4 since the topic isnt marked for those spoilers.
But then if Manfred in 1-4 hid his identity as killer for all those years, how could he have been convicted later on? Was that just assumed and conjecture? I guess I need to study PW's laws more intently, lol. Because even though Hammond was killed by Yanni Yogi, and they explored DL-6 in detail, wouldn't the case files be non-existant after all those years?

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kristophlover967 wrote:
*kinda off topic but oh well.*
Spoiler: 1-4 since the topic isnt marked for those spoilers.
But then if Manfred in 1-4 hid his identity as killer for all those years, how could he have been convicted later on? Was that just assumed and conjecture? I guess I need to study PW's laws more intently, lol. Because even though Hammond was killed by Yanni Yogi, and they explored DL-6 in detail, wouldn't the case files be non-existant after all those years?


Spoiler: 1-4
The case was never closed because a killer was never convicted although it was about to run out of time. Remember Yanni Yogi got off with an insanity defense which, for some reason that is never explained in the game, leaves the case open.

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Spoiler: 1-4
DL-6 was never solved, so the two-year deadline didn't apply. In the instance of unsolved cases, there's a 15-year statue of limitations.
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Wow... I feel even stupider now. I guess its time to replay all the games AGAIN even though I did that like a month ago... this is quite sad.

And in Feenie's dark, blueish tinted, computer screenshot, was he in the hospital at that point? Was that an IV bag that I saw in the background? They showed it before, obviously, so I never gave it much thought. (I guess that ties into what happened during 3-5 but I never really noticed it until now.)
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Yes, Phoenix is reviewing the Fawles case in the middle of 3-5.
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Mia_Fey wrote:
kristophlover967 wrote:
*kinda off topic but oh well.*
Spoiler: 1-4 since the topic isnt marked for those spoilers.
But then if Manfred in 1-4 hid his identity as killer for all those years, how could he have been convicted later on? Was that just assumed and conjecture? I guess I need to study PW's laws more intently, lol. Because even though Hammond was killed by Yanni Yogi, and they explored DL-6 in detail, wouldn't the case files be non-existant after all those years?


Spoiler: 1-4
The case was never closed because a killer was never convicted although it was about to run out of time. Remember Yanni Yogi got off with an insanity defense which, for some reason that is never explained in the game, leaves the case open.


Spoiler: 1-4
Yogi didn't use an insanity defence, he pretended to be too brain damaged to testify. That way, the only living witness was Miles, who was too tramautized to remember anything. So there was no evidence of anything that actually happened in the lift, hence DL-6 was declared unsolved (and Misty Fey ran off).
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
Terry wasn't on trial for killing Dahlia in 3-4, he was on trial for killing Valerie.

And it was never proven that Dahlia was behind the kidnapping. Mia didn't have the evidence.

And according to 1-5, once a case is solved, it's considered closed forever after two years. So Terry wouldn't have been able to get a retrial anyway.


However, remember that in the first game that that system of court was only a couple of years old (2 or 3), it was possible for a retrial.
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Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
Terry wasn't on trial for killing Dahlia in 3-4, he was on trial for killing Valerie.

And it was never proven that Dahlia was behind the kidnapping. Mia didn't have the evidence.

And according to 1-5, once a case is solved, it's considered closed forever after two years. So Terry wouldn't have been able to get a retrial anyway.


However, remember that in the first game that that system of court was only a couple of years old (2 or 3), it was possible for a retrial.

All the first game said about the Initial Trial System was that trials were given a three-day limit to speed up the legal process. That doesn't mean the rules for receiving a retrial were changed.
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
Terry wasn't on trial for killing Dahlia in 3-4, he was on trial for killing Valerie.

And it was never proven that Dahlia was behind the kidnapping. Mia didn't have the evidence.

And according to 1-5, once a case is solved, it's considered closed forever after two years. So Terry wouldn't have been able to get a retrial anyway.


However, remember that in the first game that that system of court was only a couple of years old (2 or 3), it was possible for a retrial.

All the first game said about the Initial Trial System was that trials were given a three-day limit to speed up the legal process. That doesn't mean the rules for receiving a retrial were changed.


Still, the system had to be relatively new, since the original Terry Fawles case was "long and protracted" according to Edgeworth.
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...I don't see what that has to do with anything.
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
...I don't see what that has to do with anything.


Just thought I'd settle and say that it was somewhat new.

Also, why change the rules? Knowing the PW world, it's likely that that there isn't a difference. All trials most likely have that rule.
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My argument was that nothing was stated about the rules for receiving a retrial being changed.

So you're agreeing with that now?
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No, I'm just questioning why they would have such a difference like that. Knowing how their law works, it's very debateable.
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...I'm sorry, but you're being very unclear as to what you're trying to say.
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I simply don't believe that they'd even bother having retrials run on a different system than regular trials.
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