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So, Phoenix ate it, didn't he?
Now what about the poison inside?
Did it lose potency?
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Presumably.

Either that or there wasn't enough left to affect Phoenix.
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I'm more concerned with the metal and glass shards... Phoenix must be a debus artist! :O
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It's said that common sicknesses don't affect idiots. Admittedly, such a poison as the one stored in the bottle couldn't exactly be called common, nor do I seriously mean that Nick STAYED an idiot for the rest of his life, but still. =p
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Spoiler: 3-5 or 3-4 if you have eyes (if you apply, you'll know what I mean)
This was actually brilliant foreshadowing to how :javado: came back as :godot: . The poison completely lost potency within six months both in the bottle and in :godot: 's guts. That way Diegodot could recover naturally after being saved by
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Well, i'm taking Forensic Science, so I could help you here. :scientific:

The main question is:

Was there any traces of poison left, and if so, would it kill him?

If there was, it probably wouldn't have done, because the full bottle only put Diego in a coma. Albeit, a 6 month long coma, but still, a coma.

Also, the bottle ITSELF may have absorbed some poison, depending on the colour of the bottle.
If the bottle was dyed a very light blue, as it looks to be in the sprite, the colouring used to give the glass that colour could have absorbed some. If the glass was clear, no dye was used, so the bottle proabably couldn't absorb any poison.

In conclusion:

The posion may have still had traces in the bottle, and if it hadn't lost it's potency, it wouldn't have been enough to kill Phoenix, maybe just give him a stomachache for a few days.
You'd have to worry more about the glass shards that he ate.

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since you're taking forensic science, I have a question! :keiko:

is it possible that he could chew it down? maybe if the glass is thin or something...

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since you're taking forensic science, I have a question! :keiko:

is it possible that he could chew it down? maybe if the glass is thin or something...



I'll base my answer on the sprite.
The bottle looks very small(Well, no duh.) , to hold an amount of poison that is enough to put someone into a coma, that bottle needs to be full. If that bottle had very thick glass, you wouldn't be able to fit anything into it. That glass must be quite thin. He could probably chew it up, and after about a minute, they shards would be very small. Small enough so that you don't die, but large enough to do a bit of damage. Very, very uncomfortable as it passes out, though.

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How may poisions cause people to be in comas around six years?
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Szabu wrote:
So, Phoenix ate it, didn't he?
Now what about the poison inside?
Did it lose potency?


*sigh* :welly: There was no poison inside because Dahlia put it in Feenie's Chemical Coldkiller X. Come on, that was a very important point at the end of that case.
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The Turtle Guy wrote:
Szabu wrote:
So, Phoenix ate it, didn't he?
Now what about the poison inside?
Did it lose potency?


*sigh* :welly: There was no poison inside because Dahlia put it in Feenie's Chemical Coldkiller X. Come on, that was a very important point at the end of that case.



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That's the most wrong thing you could say.

That bottle was from when she poisioned DIEGO. She had a bottle when she did it, and gave it to Feenie to hide it.

Feenie also had it in his possession until the day of the trial as well.
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Did it ever say what form the poison was (powder or liquid)? If :chinami: had to quickly dump it in :javado: 's drink, she couldn't really make sure that the bottle didn't contain some poison leftover. I think the potency is what matters (see my post above). Remember -- it was in a crowed cafeteria so :chinami: couldn't clean it. If it was a powder with a fair amount left, and if it was strong enough to
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almostkill :javado: , I should imagine that it would give :jazzsneeze: more than just a stomache ache.
If it was still potent, :jazzsneeze: would probably get genuinely sick.
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Did it ever say what form the poison was (powder or liquid)?


If you can tell me what posion it was, I can tell you whether it comes in powder or a liquid form.
Just gotta dig out my poisons file. (It's huge, and weighs about 5 stones.)

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I don't remember if they ever mentioned what poison it was...
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I thought that the poison had either lost it's spark after the time it spent with Phoenix. Or, there wasn't enough poison for a lethal dosage that Phoenix ate. :payne:
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I don't remember if they ever mentioned what poison it was...


I think they did at some time. When Dahlia says "I wouldn't even know where to get posion like that." They mentioned the name before that, but my mind's gone completely blank to what it actually is.
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They didn't. All they mentioned was that it was made using "advanced chemicial processes" and was almost impossible to detect.
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Heh, this is bugging me now. Time to look through my poisons folder to see what it is!

I'll tell you guys when I find out!! :scientific:
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Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
The Turtle Guy wrote:
Szabu wrote:
So, Phoenix ate it, didn't he?
Now what about the poison inside?
Did it lose potency?


*sigh* :welly: There was no poison inside because Dahlia put it in Feenie's Chemical Coldkiller X. Come on, that was a very important point at the end of that case.



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That's the most wrong thing you could say.

That bottle was from when she poisioned DIEGO. She had a bottle when she did it, and gave it to Feenie to hide it.

Feenie also had it in his possession until the day of the trial as well.

Oh, what the-? Then what was up with Payne smirking about there not being poison in it, and Mia believing there should have been? Those few lines are confusing me I guess. XD *eats crow* Wellington smily was appropriate, I guess.
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It could not have been powder. If it was, it'd definitely have to be stirred in really well (so he couldn't detect it), and I don't think Dahlia had that kind of time.

Also, it was the same drug that she tried to kill Feenie with (according to Doug), so it somehow had to mix in with the pills he'd have to take, and only a liquid can really do that.

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Another thing is, that Terry Fawles died by a potent bottle of poision Dahlia had given to him previously (though it's never said WHEN he got it). It seems like it'd have to last a little while.
I'm assuming that it's the same poision, because the necklace was the same, and it acted almost immedieately.
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However, it killed Terry
...maybe it's a difference in metabolism and tolerance for poisions?

Then again, she could have used atroquinne(sp?) like it was used in
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, since you cross-examined around the time he took it, and those usually last fifteen minutes or so.
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*sigh* :welly: There was no poison inside because Dahlia put it in Feenie's Chemical Coldkiller X. Come on, that was a very important point at the end of that case.



*sigh*

That's the most wrong thing you could say.

That bottle was from when she poisioned DIEGO. She had a bottle when she did it, and gave it to Feenie to hide it.

Feenie also had it in his possession until the day of the trial as well.

Oh, what the-? Then what was up with Payne smirking about there not being poison in it, and Mia believing there should have been? Those few lines are confusing me I guess. XD *eats crow* Wellington smily was appropriate, I guess.


Payne didn't believe it was in the bottle, because of the way Dahlia acted, and he was taken by her. Why his hair flew off, even I'm still not sure.

Also, it was never said that the posion in the Coldkiller ever ended up in a necklase like that.
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There were TWO different poisons

Poison of 3-4:
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The poison in 3-4 was aquired when Dahlia was 14. It was able to stay potent for a long time (at least six years, we know). It did not mention if it was easy to detect, but probably was a common houshold substance, as it didn't need to be hidden (she was 14, so she could have just stolen some rat poison from her dad.)


Poison of 3-1:
The poison that killed Diego and almost got Feenie was the same, as she got the first dose from Doug and the second dose (the one in the pills) from Doug's lab. The necklace contained one dose, as Dahlia didn't neee pills cod to hide the second from the police, the second dose was probably put in a disposable container. It could not have been the same as the 3-4 one because of its short-term potency and availability (she couldn't have gotten into the lab at 14!). However, the dose in the pills have been slightly different, like in a liquid form, while the dose in the coffee could have been a liquid OR soluble powder. :javado: didn't need to be unable to taste it: if it dissolved and he drank it, he was dead
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or close enough.
He probably only took one drink of his cofee, as it implies that he was in critical state before he even felt sick. From that, we can assume that it was VERY potent new, but not poisonous after only 6 months. I'm only assuming that there were only two, not three poisons.
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You forget, Dahlia had manipulation on her side. She could get anything if she tried. Atroquinne could just be one of those things.
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Atroquine is in GS4, so it "didn't exist" in GS3.
Spoiler: GS4, all cases
I hoped that Atroquine would come from the Borginian Cocoon, which was how :garyuu: got :odoroki: . Magnifi had Borginian connections, and could trade it with Kristoph in return for adopting his grandkid. But that's a topic for irrelevent fanfics:)

ANYWAYS:

As for the 3-4 poison:
It can be assumed that :chinami: AT AGE 14!!! didn't have many connections. POISONS ARE EVERYWHERE WHEN THEY DON'T NEED TO BE UNDETECTABLE!

As for the two 3-1 poisons:
She got them (both?) from Doug/his lab.
I doubt that the expirimental poisons Doug was working with had actual names, let alone any chance of being or becoming common. (I'm pretty sure that "Atroquine" isn't a crazy mix of 1223334444555556778methylethylpropylbutylmonbitridecyne lol. I hope that that compound isn't real. I named it so it breaks at least 10 laws of chemistry and physics...) Recall that Doug was working with limited quantities of poisons as a chemist: if he was just throwing carbon compounds and random dangerous objects and whatever was in the storage room of the lab into a pot and seeing what happens, he wouldn't get anything that the public would have heard of or had access to. And he was dead before this crap could become common.

Opinions on organic chemistry aside, I think that it's safe to assume that :chinami: wasn't using Atroquine. Also, remember that Atroquine could be easily detected while :chinami: 's poison could not be. And that Atroquine isn't soluble.
Spoiler: 3-1, 4-4
Dahlia's poison dissolved in :javado: 's coffee -- Atroquine didn't dissolve in :uh: 's coffee, which is how they knew that the poison was meant to coat the mug as opposed to be IN the coffee. That was how the stamp theory came about.

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I think that bottle may have been plastic?

And, Qeepo:
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The coffee had no poison in it because the poison wasn't actually put in the coffee...it wasn't even put on the rim, it just ended up there because he had to drink coffee..the cup was only there as a framing tool anyway

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If the poison was soluble, it would have dissolved into the cofee as he drank it. His tongue would touch the cofee far more than the rim. The poison would be washed off into the cofee and there would be very little on the rim -- :sassy: would ASSUME that the poison was IN the cofee, and only traces were on the rim from when it was dissolving. So atroquine IS NOT SOLUBLE (at least in cofee)!

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