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Concerning Dahlia....(3-5 Mega Spoilers)
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I'm still suprised she got the death penalty at all....I would have pegged her more for life in prison.
Any thoughts?
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But yeah, hanging seems a bit... weird. Seems more appropriate for, say, a hundred years ago.
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MercuryKitten wrote:
Did anyone else find it sort of strange that Dahlia died by hanging? I mean, the game takes place in the future. I would have thought she would have died in a more humane way than a public hanging. I dunno, they've always just seemed quite brutal to me. I would have expected lethal injection.
I'm still suprised she got the death penalty at all....I would have pegged her more for life in prison.
Any thoughts?
I'm still suprised she got the death penalty at all....I would have pegged her more for life in prison.
Any thoughts?
In Japan, executions are carried by hanging (also the case in Singapore, actually).
Actually, I don't remember her being hanged in public...
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It suggests that most of the murderers in the series are executed, which is rather scary. Especially if they're all hanged.
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Ethed wrote:
Also, keep in mind she was executed 'last month', as of 3-5. She may have been in prison for ages and what else happened in that time we don't know.
She could only have been in jail five years because Phoenix states that his case was five years previous to 3-5. She wasn't jailed for her other offenses because they couldn't be proven since she kept killing the people who could prove it.
It does seem strange that she was executed so quickly, but considering how the legal system is organized in the game, it isn't really surprising. It is kind of indicated that Manfred Von Karma is dead because they keep talking about how Franziska "lost" her father. Jail is bad, but technically that doesn't qualify as lost. Also Phoenix is always talking about how he's saving his clients lives, which could mean simply keeping them out of prison but probably is closer to avoiding the death penalty.
Ethed wrote:
She may have turned herself in for all the crimes in knowledge of Morgan's plan. I haven't looked into the subject deep enough to confirm any of this, however.
Couldn't be because she states that when she met Morgan, she was already on death row.
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she probably decided to turn herself in for all these charges as we saw
Why? A fit of guilt doesn't fit her character. Its possible that she was tried for her previous crimes based on what was discovered in 3-1, but that's never mentioned. All that we're told is that she was convicted and sentenced based on that case.
I would guess they designed the punishment to be so extreme to up the stakes of the game. Like Phoenix insists, we're saving lives literally. Just an idea though.
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fox334 wrote:
MercuryKitten wrote:
Did anyone else find it sort of strange that Dahlia died by hanging? I mean, the game takes place in the future. I would have thought she would have died in a more humane way than a public hanging. I dunno, they've always just seemed quite brutal to me. I would have expected lethal injection.
I'm still suprised she got the death penalty at all....I would have pegged her more for life in prison.
Any thoughts?
I'm still suprised she got the death penalty at all....I would have pegged her more for life in prison.
Any thoughts?
In Japan, executions are carried by hanging (also the case in Singapore, actually).
Actually, I don't remember her being hanged in public...
Yup. We do still carry out executions by hanging here.
We don't do it in public though. (tl;dr about the hanging procedure ahead! Feel free to skip the rest of my post if you find it disgusting and whatnot.)
From what I know, the person is led into a small dark room, and made to stand on the stool in the middle of the room. The noose is attacked to the person's neck, and a large cloth is draped over the person's head, nearly covering their entire body.
The stool is then removed, and the person is hung 'till dead. From what I heard, when you hang a person, his tongue will actually sort of 'come loose', so to speak. The tongue is actually really long, much longer than the little bit you use to taste food with. (The other lengths are all inside) It'll then 'hang' out of the mouth in a really... *ahem* manner. Not a pretty sight. Hence the cloth draping.
After the person is confirmed to be dead, undertakers (That's what they're called, right?) collect the body and stuff. Yeah.
Well, that's pretty much it, if anyone wanted to know the hanging procedure. I think they might have changed the stool part though.
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Mia_Fey wrote:
Ethed wrote:
Also, keep in mind she was executed 'last month', as of 3-5. She may have been in prison for ages and what else happened in that time we don't know.
She could only have been in jail five years because Phoenix states that his case was five years previous to 3-5. She wasn't jailed for her other offenses because they couldn't be proven since she kept killing the people who could prove it.
Haha, sorry, should've been clear. 5+ years is 'ages' in my book XD Thank you for the post. I forgot the bit about Morgan.
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Marsha2112 wrote:
Well, maybe in Japan, but for America/Europe hanging seems a bit...outdated...
Ya, but keep in mind that the game was developed in Japan.
By the way, in the state of Washington, death row inmates have the choice between Lethal Injection and Hanging and if execution by lethal injection become "impractical", then New Hampshire will use hanging.
Oh, and all kind of execution are now outdated in Europe: whit the exception of Belarus, all European states currently do not practise the death penalty (altought some, like Russia, only abolished it de facto).
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To the person who didn't know she was hanged, she mentions it in her testimony, stating it wasn't very pleasant. It doesn't sound very pleasant at all, from the description.
I always saw her execution as more as a plot device, however. And I wouldn't think she would confess - I mean, she's very manipulative.
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MercuryKitten wrote:
I would have thought she would have died in a more humane way than a public hanging.
Yes, because she is SOOOOOOO human...
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it is a very efficient way to kill people
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Gozu wrote:
saddam hussein was executed by hanging
it is a very efficient way to kill people
it is a very efficient way to kill people
So is bashing someone in the head with a rock until their skull collapses.
Efficiency isn't the issue here.
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
So is bashing someone in the head with a rock until their skull collapses.
Efficiency isn't the issue here.
Efficiency isn't the issue here.
it's cheaper than lethal injection
i don't really see the problem with hanging
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Just like a real death row inmate (at least in the US).
Hanging is just a dramatic way to die, and what better for the series' best drama queen?
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It is kind of indicated that Manfred Von Karma is dead because they keep talking about how Franziska "lost" her father. Jail is bad, but technically that doesn't qualify as lost.
Franziska is a Von Karma, she would have considered he father to be "dead" simply after losing a case. Just like Manfred and her did with Edgeworth. Its also not farfetched to believe that
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Takuya wrote:
fox334 wrote:
MercuryKitten wrote:
Did anyone else find it sort of strange that Dahlia died by hanging? I mean, the game takes place in the future. I would have thought she would have died in a more humane way than a public hanging. I dunno, they've always just seemed quite brutal to me. I would have expected lethal injection.
I'm still suprised she got the death penalty at all....I would have pegged her more for life in prison.
Any thoughts?
I'm still suprised she got the death penalty at all....I would have pegged her more for life in prison.
Any thoughts?
In Japan, executions are carried by hanging (also the case in Singapore, actually).
Actually, I don't remember her being hanged in public...
Yup. We do still carry out executions by hanging here.
We don't do it in public though. (tl;dr about the hanging procedure ahead! Feel free to skip the rest of my post if you find it disgusting and whatnot.)
From what I know, the person is led into a small dark room, and made to stand on the stool in the middle of the room. The noose is attacked to the person's neck, and a large cloth is draped over the person's head, nearly covering their entire body.
The stool is then removed, and the person is hung 'till dead. From what I heard, when you hang a person, his tongue will actually sort of 'come loose', so to speak. The tongue is actually really long, much longer than the little bit you use to taste food with. (The other lengths are all inside) It'll then 'hang' out of the mouth in a really... *ahem* manner. Not a pretty sight. Hence the cloth draping.
After the person is confirmed to be dead, undertakers (That's what they're called, right?) collect the body and stuff. Yeah.
Well, that's pretty much it, if anyone wanted to know the hanging procedure. I think they might have changed the stool part though.
i dont get the tongue part...
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moon_pie! wrote:
i dont get the tongue part...
The tounge isn't just in the mouth, it comes up from the throat. When you're hanged I assume it is somehow able to dislodge the tounge from the throat, or dislodge it enough for it to fall out.
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That would mean either a contradiction, or some law changes happened as the PW plot unfolded. Or was that already brought up in the forums?
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1st degree premeditated murder is death sentence.
2nd degree is life sentence/death sentence (depends on the case).
3rd degree 20-25 years (or maybe this is involuntary manslaughter, that could only be 10 years or something...)
Well, this is simply how I imagine, to make things seem simple.
An accomplice could be 6months (tampering with crime scene) to 20-25 years (if it was direct involvement, like REALLY direct involvement)
But it's just my thoughts. Don't let them bother you.
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MercuryKitten wrote:
Did anyone else find it sort of strange that Dahlia died by hanging? I mean, the game takes place in the future. I would have thought she would have died in a more humane way than a public hanging. I dunno, they've always just seemed quite brutal to me. I would have expected lethal injection.
I'm still surprised she got the death penalty at all....I would have pegged her more for life in prison.
Any thoughts?
I'm still surprised she got the death penalty at all....I would have pegged her more for life in prison.
Any thoughts?
Not really much anything else, with a few exceptions, shows ANY improvement with technology or ANYTHING in that matter, up to the date of time that they are in.
I don't see why anything else would change.
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DoctorDiablo wrote:
Yeah, it's weird that she was executed. From our point of view the sentence was very fitting, but the courts only found her guilty of killing Doug, which wasn't premeditated. Even though 'we' know she killed Valerie, ruined Terry's life before driving him to suicide, and nearly killed Diego... the sentence wasn't based on any of that.
It suggests that most of the murderers in the series are executed, which is rather scary. Especially if they're all hanged.
It suggests that most of the murderers in the series are executed, which is rather scary. Especially if they're all hanged.
Wasn't she also convicted for "killing" Diego, and also, when Terry kills himself, he says that the idea was Dahlia's.... so wouldn't she also be hit with something like assisted suicide? She commited a bunch of crimes, such as
1. Theft (Poison)
2. Murder (Doug)
3. Assisted Suicide (Terry)
4. Murder (Valorie [spelling!])
5. Breaking and Entering (Car)
6. Attempted Murder (Phoenix)
7 Perjury (In court two times)
8. Theft (Diamond)
9. Falsifying Evidence (Picture)
10. Attempted Murder (After Death) (Maya)
11. Attempted Murder, publicised as murder (Diego)
12. Hiding of Decisive Evidence (not sure if this is a crime, but gave the bottle necklace to Phoenix)
13. Animal Cruelty (Poor poor butterflys.....)
Wouldn't this add up to the death sentence?
And also with the whole hanging thing, look at Saddam Hussein. He was hung, even though there were 'humane' ways to execute him.
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1. Possibly
2. Yes
3. No. The whole reason Diego called Dahlia in for questioning is because he didn't have enough evidence to pin Terry's suicide on her.
4. No. In-game's double jeopardy law.
5. See #4.
6. Probably
7. Perjury? Who DOESN'T do that in AA?
8. Unable to be proven
9. See #7
10. Irrelevant since this was after her sentencing
11. Couldn't be proven, Phoenix ate the necklace
12. See #7. In particular, Angel Starr commits #7 and #12 and isn't punished for anything.
13. ...
14? Isn't this essentially the same as #10?
And...I really can't believe you're actually trying to compare Dahlia to Saddam Hussein.
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neoswordmaster wrote:
moon_pie! wrote:
i dont get the tongue part...
The tounge isn't just in the mouth, it comes up from the throat. When you're hanged I assume it is somehow able to dislodge the tounge from the throat, or dislodge it enough for it to fall out.
My 10th grade english teacher said that eyes also come out of thier sockets.
That's kinda creepy...Reminds me of a Horror movie...Forgot it's name.
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