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If nobody loves you, what you do?
Love yourself and don't care about the others!
The real EBIL characters are Manfred, Morgan, Matt and Furio(i wished that he confessed at the end of 3-3 that he really loved Violetta...
), and everybody should know why:Manfred is crazy and heartless.
Morgan is vendicative(TOO MUCH).
Furio and Matt are just evil.
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Out of all them, I have to say it's a toss-up between Engarde and Morgan. Both of them were cold-blooded, two-faced murderers pretending to be on the side of the righteous while secretly plotting their next move. They didn't care about anything other than their own personal agendas and almost flawlessly pinned the murder on innocent people and more than once created an almost-impossible-to-turn-around-situation. I actually felt quite helpless during all the cases which they were involved.
Really, only a guy like Phoenix would have the guts to stand up to masterminds like them since his experience with justice and the spiritual realm give him l33t skills over both things at once. Any other person might have just kicked the bucket and given up.
Furio and Atmey were also pretty ruthless for non-final bosses. They both ran shady jobs and pulled the strings on many of their plans almost flawlessly. If it hadn't been for a few simple mess-ups (Atmey deserves the biggest facepalm in the history of mankind here) they would have gotten away without a lick of doubt in anyone's minds.
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Dahlia was unloved and had to depend on herself, so she can be pardoned to an extent. 
Luke really killed in self-defence, and he's more of a joke character if you ask me. 
Furio's this small-time wannabe gangster, he's not evil. 
Just very weird and greedy. Engarde, however, has absolutely no reason to be that evil. He acts like a decent guy, when he's really an asshole. A really dangerous murderer who wrecks peoples' lives for fun. The only really evil character IMO. 
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Cheath wrote:
Dahlia's not evil at all, she's just misunderstood
Having a theft, two murders, and one attempted murder on your record is beyond being "just misunderstood". Yes, I'm sure Dahlia turned out the way she did because she had no one to care for her or instill in her some sort of moral compass. But you could say that about any evil person, and it doesn't excuse their actions at all.In fact, Dahlia did have someone who loved her - Iris. So she couldn't use that excuse anyway.
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Luke really killed in self-defence, and he's more of a joke character if you ask me.
No, Luke killed because he didn't want to be exposed as a thief and a blackmailer. Premeditated murder is not self defense.
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^ Truth. If only she had had someone to care for her things might not have turned out the way they did. In a way, I feel sorry for her.
Out of all them, I have to say it's a toss-up between Engarde and Morgan. Both of them were cold-blooded, two-faced murderers pretending to be on the side of the righteous while secretly plotting their next move. They didn't care about anything other than their own personal agendas and almost flawlessly pinned the murder on innocent people and more than once created an almost-impossible-to-turn-around-situation. I actually felt quite helpless during all the cases which they were involved.
Really, only a guy like Phoenix would have the guts to stand up to masterminds like them since his experience with justice and the spiritual realm give him l33t skills over both things at once. Any other person might have just kicked the bucket and given up.
Furio and Atmey were also pretty ruthless for non-final bosses. They both ran shady jobs and pulled the strings on many of their plans almost flawlessly. If it hadn't been for a few simple mess-ups (Atmey deserves the biggest facepalm in the history of mankind here) they would have gotten away without a lick of doubt in anyone's minds.
Out of all them, I have to say it's a toss-up between Engarde and Morgan. Both of them were cold-blooded, two-faced murderers pretending to be on the side of the righteous while secretly plotting their next move. They didn't care about anything other than their own personal agendas and almost flawlessly pinned the murder on innocent people and more than once created an almost-impossible-to-turn-around-situation. I actually felt quite helpless during all the cases which they were involved.
Really, only a guy like Phoenix would have the guts to stand up to masterminds like them since his experience with justice and the spiritual realm give him l33t skills over both things at once. Any other person might have just kicked the bucket and given up.
Furio and Atmey were also pretty ruthless for non-final bosses. They both ran shady jobs and pulled the strings on many of their plans almost flawlessly. If it hadn't been for a few simple mess-ups (Atmey deserves the biggest facepalm in the history of mankind here) they would have gotten away without a lick of doubt in anyone's minds.
She was ignored by her father, but i'm pretty sure Morgan and Iris cared for her. She pretty much grew up to be evil.
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Iris_Wright wrote:
I say Engarde is really the only purely evil character in the whole of Phoenix Wright. Morgan was ditched by her husband because she didn't become the Master of Kurain, so it's understandable that she's disullusioned.
Didn't Dahlia say that Morgan abandoned them because they didn't have any spiritual power besides the Trick Locks? That selfishness alone is pretty evil, as well as trying to kill Maya so that Pearls could become the new master.
Damon Gant is pretty evil, though. Murdering someone, then falsifying evidence to pin it on Ema while knowing Lana would pin it on Darke, and then murdering Goodman to keep the case from coming back to bite him in the ass... as well as saying he should've taken out Jake Marshal... I'd call that evil.
But, yeah. Engarde's an evil little bitch. As is
. Yes, he was going to confess, but it doesn't change the fact that he killed at least four witnesses to a CAR ACCIDENT. Come ON.
Oh, Nick. When will you ever learn?
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No, Luke killed because he didn't want to be exposed as a thief and a blackmailer. Premeditated murder is not self defense.
What I meant was, Luke was being blackmailed, and all he could do to ensure his identity remained secret was to kill the CEO guy. It's really the guy's fault for being so greedy.
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Didn't Dahlia say that Morgan abandoned them because they didn't have any spiritual power besides the Trick Locks? That selfishness alone is pretty evil, as well as trying to kill Maya so that Pearls could become the new master.
Well, it all stems back to the fact that her husband left her high and dry with Iris and Dahlia because she didn't become the Master. She obviously went slightly off her rocker after that and did some bad things. What I meant to say is, truly evil people commit crimes for no good reason. Dahlia was betrayed by her mother, who was betrayed by her husband. They both have legitimate reasons to be bitter. And you bring up a good point, Damon Gant is evil as well. He and Engarde should form an evil club of their own.
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raising two otherwise good people to become assholes who immitate his demeanor and prosecution style.
Totally unforgiveable. Have you seen Edgeworth in 3-4? I was so pissed off at the poses he used. Brainwashed I say.
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Dahlia never intentionally killed anyone, they were all accidental
Sympathetic towards Dahlia though I am, that's still going too far -_- Poisoning someone's coffee and shoving someone into an electrical cord is deliberate murder.
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Cheath wrote:
Dahlia never intentionally killed anyone, they were all accidental
Whoa there...someone hasnt played TnT. I would call planning to come back from the dead and kill the sister of someone who had already been killed as well a little more then "accidental". Not to mention manipulating someone who loves you and is simply too loyal to see you for what you really are.
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yet, the man kills without remorse, for no reason other than money.
are also rather evil.I don't see Morgan or Dahlia as I can understand how they came to be the way they are.
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Manfred was all in self-defense! The poor man was shot--SHOT!!! He could've died!
And Gant--he just panicked, I'd like to see what one of you would do if in the same room as a mass murderer....to make an omelette you gotta break a few eggs.
And and and...uh... Matt...uh...all is fair in love and war--WAR with Juan Corrida that is!
And poor poor Dahlia... it is all Nick's fault!
*Shot by mob of disgruntled PW fans*
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GearsoftheApparatus wrote:
Surprised no one has mentioned yet, the man kills without remorse, for no reason other than money.
are also rather evil.
I don't see Morgan or Dahlia as I can understand how they came to be the way they are.
I'm sorry, but yet, the man kills without remorse, for no reason other than money. are also rather evil.I don't see Morgan or Dahlia as I can understand how they came to be the way they are.
is too badass for me too even think of him as a villain. Plus he's super polite, even to his hostages. He would be an awesome old man if it werent for his occupation.Now, may I introduce you to the most heartless villain of PW... MISSILE! HE ATE ALL OF THOSE GOURD DOGS! CANNIBAL!
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Iris_Wright wrote:
Shelley isn't evil. He's an assassin, killing is a way of living for him. The people who order assassinations are evil, he is just the tool who carries out their wishes.
Exactly! And remember, The guilty of the killing belongs to the client, not himself.
True Evil Characters for me:
Matt Enguard
Morgan Fey
Dahlia Hawthorne
I don't see Gant and Manfred as Evil, They're just corrupted which isn't the same as evil.
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Shelley isn't evil. He's an assassin, killing is a way of living for him. The people who order assassinations are evil, he is just the tool who carries out their wishes.
Still... the fact that he is able to murder most anyone without remorse. I'd say you'd have to be reasonably evil to consider being an assassin as an occupation.
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I wouldn't call Furio evil, either - he only killed Glen because if he didn't get the money he needed, he'd be dead himself. It's not like he runs around looking for people to betray and murder, like Dahlia.
And ButzPuff - If the police ever caught Shelly, you can bet he'd be tried for every count of murder he's committed. He's just as guilty as his clients.
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In his off-time I highly doubt he goes to burn down orphanages or shoot random people for giggles.
I'm not saying that Shelley is good or anything of that sort, but he isn't the same caliber evil as Matt or Dahlia.
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If he was, he'd have killed Maya right off the bat after Trial Day 1, for Nick's failure. That, or when the police came.
I don't think that anything can really excuse Dahlia or Morgan, though. Especially Dahlia.
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ButzPuff wrote:
I don't see Gant and Manfred as Evil, They're just corrupted which isn't the same as evil.
I thought, for that exact reason, that Gant and von Karma were the absolutely scariest and worst kind of evil in the entire series...
'Evil spirits' and stuff like that is 'evil' in the cartoon sense, guys like police chiefs and prosecutors, who have been given the law and power on their side, who abuse it to destroy and kill people... that is true evil in the real meaning of the word.
Viola also is a very interesting character, and a bit underused in the game... Even though she didn't actually do anything in the game to end up in court even as a witness, you can totally see she is becoming (or already is) a total psycho/serial killer, and the events in the case probably just made it worse...
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Perfection was pretty much Manfred's guide and lifeline--and that got shattered. While I am only guessing but that would probably be the equivalent of losing a parent, specifically the one that you wrote the "My Role Model" essay on when in school.
Manfred had been penalized for the first time--almost everyone else would've shrugged it off or frowned but he was almost driven insane. Von Karma said himself that he was wandering aimlessly afterwards. Then to top it off, he was shot in the pitch black darkness because of the earthquake. So...:
-He lost something very dear to him (his record)
-There was an earthquake shortly afterwards, a pretty brutal one by the sound of it.
-He then was wandering in the dark for a few hours.
-He was shot.
-He found the person who got him the penalty and shot him.
He also had no idea as to who shot him initially if I recall--it could've been Gregory Edgeworth for all we knew at that time (we know otherwise but bear with me.)
And Gant...
How do we know Gant did anything while Chief of Police? Yes, he killed Neil Marshall, Bruce Goodman, and blackmailed the hell out of Lana--but I never saw the "Gantzies" in the street prosecuting innocent people that were possible hoodlums or gangsters. All Gant truly did was fight fire with fire--fight crimes by committing a crime. As for Goodman--he just panicked at the possibility of being found out for Neil and such.
Yes I'm biased, so feel free to argue because I need to work on my debating skills.
Then again about the "Gantzies," Meekins DOES have that "Quick Response" Kanji armband....
HOLY SHIT!!! MEEKINS IS EVIL!!!! *Shot by MMF*
Too lazy... hur hur.
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well i would do the same as him and you dont see me kicking babys around do you?(cause im doing it in the dark :D)
hey someone as cool as him cant be evil.... 
i dont like him :( hes pure evil
i still dont think he did all of this...it was his son in law keith!!!elevenone111 OMFG :D
haha emo :D
hes a celebrity and we all know,that celebritys cant go to jail for over 1 year...
gay gay gay gay gaaaay gay :D
he a hippie or sumthing?
zvarrri! it was kane bullards fault for being murdered by looking so victimious er ly?
he loves coffee! is still think maya did it...or larry...or that hippie guy from the first trials where did he left and what did he do on the day of the murder huh?huh!HUH?!so my top 3 of evil
Von Karma
Morgan fey
and payne!
i just read some of your posts:
how can you excuse Von Karma,Dahlia and Morgan?(and Payne for being hippy like :D) they were the most evil of all!And Von Karma on top of them with killed many innocent people
Morgan Fey would have killed her own sister,niece,(add family things here)and im sure even her own daughter to ensure,that her branch would become the main branch!
And Dahlia?She killed her own step sister,led this Prisoner guy to suicide,Left her Twin sister at a freezing mountain,faked her own death for a million,poisoned godot..GODOT! wanted to kill Maya and hated Feenie ;_;
edit 3: what makes Matt more evil than the other Killers?for example mr Sahwit
He killed just for a little money
Furio Tigre killed for a Computer Virus and blamed it on someone innocent
Dr Grey...
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But Morgan, Von Karma, and Dahlia are even worse than Matt though, because they all wrecked havoc in more than one case.
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Matt, well he's just evil because of his remoselessness as well and the fact he manipulates everyone and they are tools to his enjoyment. Granted that's how real life works, but we try to have a higher standard of living.
Just about everyone else can have some sliver of sympathy for their character, even Morgan and Dahlia. Remember we aren't judging them on being bad people, but pure evil.
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Spoiler: Dahlia's Evil
I still think that simply what she did Phoenix and Iris is enough to constitute how evil of a person she was.
I also think that being remorseless is the most evil thing of all. Remorseless of killing someone shows how cruel you are. Therefore...
Spoiler: Remorseless
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Too lazy... hur hur.
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Aetheryn wrote:
You really can't say "X-character is the most evil" because everyone's opinion of what's considered evil is different. Corrupted people in power or people who kill without remorse alone isn't enough to stamp "evil" one someone's forehead.
True, but the reason behind killing and the person who killed are really where people judge how right or wrong the murder is.
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Shelly kills people just for the money. He doesn't care whether or not the person deserved it, or if it was the right thing to do. How is that any different than Atmey killing to preserve his reputation? Or Karma getting people convicted, which ultimately leads to their execution? That's also Karma's job. Shelly's motive for murder is just as selfish as anyone else's, he's just...more polite about it. Being able to commit horrible crimes with a straight face is pretty terrifying, as I see it.
Yes, he might not care, but he is just a businessman. As an assassin, he needs to learn to not care. He also has honor, albeit in a twisted way. He guarantees his client's safety, and doesn't murder indiscriminately (Maya) just those who he is paid to kill. Think of it this way, if Shelley didn't do it, someone else might, someone who has less regard for human life and might kill anyone in the way. With that said, I'm not condoning his actions, I'm just saying that he's not totally evil as he kills clinically, not with a personal motive or indiscriminately.
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I don't think anybody can legitimately defend murders like Morgan and Manfred because of the hardships they faced in life. Bad stuff happens to people all the time but that doesn't give them free reign to commit crimes and take lives because they've been wounded or whatever.
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He might be evil in a sense, but he is not completely evil. An evil person is someone who instigates a murder from personal motives, and continues to do so. Shelley merely takes orders from his clients, and does not kill for his own motives, and as such is not completely evil.
His motive is money... which I personally feel makes him more evil than most any other character. The other evil characters kill for personal reasons, Shelley kills purely for monetary. Human life is nothing but a number on a cheque to him.
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