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I adore Iris. Truly. But she's just another brick in the "one case only" wall.

Now Powers he's in TWO but I don't see any Powers fandoms around. D= *expresses dislike*

I like Powers, but I'm not about to pair him up with Phoenix, sorry. :yuusaku:
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OMGZ PHOENIX/POWERS 4EVAR GUYZ.

That'd be hideously wrong... I think I know why there aren't very many serious Powers/whoevers now.

As for Minuki being the secret love child of Phoenix and Iris... Um.. Well aside from what Croik mentioned... Isn't being a nun one of those "not sleeping around" kind of jobs? I mean, last time I checked into it at least..
Not to mention, I don't understand why she'd be adopted at age 5 or 6 or whatever if she belonged to his long time lover/wife/midnight sexxor friend. And why she was running around with a troop of magicians.

So, unless our lovers are reunited in GS5, I'd say their pretty much over and the nail is in the coffin. :(
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:edgeworth: Well, that just got shot down faster than terrorists paradropping into the Pentagon. Thanks a lot, guys. :larry:
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OMGZ PHOENIX/POWERS 4EVAR GUYZ.

That'd be hideously wrong... I think I know why there aren't very many serious Powers/whoevers now.

As for Minuki being the secret love child of Phoenix and Iris... Um.. Well aside from what Croik mentioned... Isn't being a nun one of those "not sleeping around" kind of jobs? I mean, last time I checked into it at least..
Not to mention, I don't understand why she'd be adopted at age 5 or 6 or whatever if she belonged to his long time lover/wife/midnight sexxor friend. And why she was running around with a troop of magicians.

So, unless our lovers are reunited in GS5, I'd say their pretty much over and the nail is in the coffin. :(


The things is that this appears to Catholic nuns. I mean the whole concept of not having sex. I mean I am not sure if Shrine Maidens can have sex, but I think I have seen some in anime that have relationships and no, I do not mean hentai.
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She did have a relationship with Phoenix before when they were 20, so there is no reason why they can't have one now.
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I'll have to share in the disappointment with fellow Iris fans - you'd think that with the truth out in the open there could be a little interest in pursuing that relationship again.

But I think the writers were kind enough to give us a massive 8-year gap between GS3 and 4 that fans could work with to create alternate histories and theories with, unless they decided to dredge up more of the past in GS5/6, which would be a no-no, seeing how they handled it in 4. Eh...

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i think that in the 5th game, most will come back, although i don't think iris will.
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The whole thing is really brilliantly written, beyond just the basic aspects of turning your whole idea of the Dahlia character on its head.

Remember, the real Iris is locked up from the time of the earthquake until Dahlia gets exorcised from Maya, so we can't take anything Dahlia as Iris says about Iris at face value as far as helping to plot the incidents in 3-4 go. Once you get rid of that, she really did very little wrong.

Interesting enough, because of that swap, Phoenix actually never interrogates Iris, so the courtroom scene doesn't preclude anything getting rekindled. And Phoenix seemingly has a sixth sense about the real Iris.
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It's true love, I say. Nothing more to it.
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Doom Saber wrote:
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OMGZ PHOENIX/POWERS 4EVAR GUYZ.

That'd be hideously wrong... I think I know why there aren't very many serious Powers/whoevers now.

As for Minuki being the secret love child of Phoenix and Iris... Um.. Well aside from what Croik mentioned... Isn't being a nun one of those "not sleeping around" kind of jobs? I mean, last time I checked into it at least..
Not to mention, I don't understand why she'd be adopted at age 5 or 6 or whatever if she belonged to his long time lover/wife/midnight sexxor friend. And why she was running around with a troop of magicians.

So, unless our lovers are reunited in GS5, I'd say their pretty much over and the nail is in the coffin. :(


The things is that this appears to Catholic nuns. I mean the whole concept of not having sex. I mean I am not sure if Shrine Maidens can have sex, but I think I have seen some in anime that have relationships and no, I do not mean hentai.


According to what I know about Shinto shrine maidens, they are expected to remain virgins until they leave the shrine, although exceptions are made for those of exceptional character (which in anime, isn't every girl of exceptional character?). However, we know that there is a lot of Buddhist influence in the Kurain tradition (Mia's whole speech about Ami Fey's name coming from Amida in GS2-2) and I must confess I don't know anything about the role of women in Buddhist temples.
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I don't think we'll see Iris again in a game, but Iris not appearing in a game =/= Phoenix not seeing her again. I think they'd have reason to see each other again if Pearl is told tha Iris is her sister. Considering how Pearl always seems so sad when she's reminded she's an only child I can't see her letting Iris go. So I basicly think that she'd be welcomed as a Fey, which would lead to her and Phoenix still having a fair amount of contact. Which is good enough for me.
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Interesting enough, because of that swap, Phoenix actually never interrogates Iris, so the courtroom scene doesn't preclude anything getting rekindled. And Phoenix seemingly has a sixth sense about the real Iris.


Even the Kurain Channeling Technique did not deceive the love between Phoenix and Iris!
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Yay lurve! But, seriously, I really wanna see them together. If not in the game, then in fanfiction or doujinshi. They just belong together.
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They deserve eachother! Even though Phoenix/Maya is cute, Feenie/Iris is so sweet!
I would love to see how Iris has changed over the years(along with Pearl, Maya and such) since GS3. :edgy:
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Me too! I'm still depressed that PW4 has almost no characters from the original trilogy. I really wanna see what happens to everyone. Especially Phoenix and Iris, cause they belong together. :phoenix:
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They deserve eachother! Even though Phoenix/Maya is cute, Feenie/Iris is so sweet!
I would love to see how Iris has changed over the years(along with Pearl, Maya and such) since GS3. :edgy:



I don't want to see Iris change. ;_:

I want to see her again, just the way she was in GS3. :ayame:
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Hehe. I have no problems with change. As long as she and Phoenix hook up. It would be rather interesting to see a grown-up Iris actually.

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She could also bring Phoenix out of hobo-hood. Unless she herself has become a hobo, in that case they can be the hottest hobo couple ever :payne:

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Iris won't be in GS5. In all honesty, I doubt that GS5 would even have Phoenix in it. Given the history of the writing of the series, and the fact he was the only main character from the old games that was in GS4 (unless you count Ema but she WAS only in one case), and the only true purpose he served in that game was to help Odoroki grow as a defense attorney.

In other words, Phoenix accomplished for Odoroki in 1 game what it took Mia/Edgeworth/Godot 3 games to do for Phoenix. GS4 was the transition game so the series could continue on with new characters.

Seeing how Phoenix's role was handled in GS4 (he was the frickin' main character of the franchise and they left him completely changed, 8 years later, with no rhyme or adequate reason), the fact that they had absolutely no closure for anyone else or even really mentioned any other characters from the old games (Unless you count Ema, but that really doesn't apply as I believe it was simply convenient for Capcom to have her in there since she was the investigator behind the new DS exclusive features in 1-5 and GS4), I think that in GS5 you won't see anyone from the old games with the exception of Ema. (excluding the obvious ones like Gumshoe, Udgey, and Payne.)

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Iris won't be in GS5. In all honesty, I doubt that GS5 would even have Phoenix in it. Given the history of the writing of the series, and the fact he was the only main character from the old games that was in GS4 (unless you count Ema but she WAS only in one case), and the only true purpose he served in that game was to help Odoroki grow as a defense attorney.

In other words, Phoenix accomplished for Odoroki in 1 game what it took Mia/Edgeworth/Godot 3 games to do for Phoenix. GS4 was the transition game so the series could continue on with new characters.

Seeing how Phoenix's role was handled in GS4 (he was the frickin' main character of the franchise and they left him completely changed, 8 years later, with no rhyme or adequate reason), the fact that they had absolutely no closure for anyone else or even really mentioned any other characters from the old games (Unless you count Ema, but that really doesn't apply as I believe it was simply convenient for Capcom to have her in there since she was the investigator behind the new DS exclusive features in 1-5 and GS4), I think that in GS5 you won't see anyone from the old games with the exception of Ema. (excluding the obvious ones like Gumshoe, Udgey, and Payne.)


Capcom quite frankly doesn't have the gall to not include Phoenix in GS5. He might only play a minor role, but I honestly don't believe there will ever be a GS game that doesn't feature Phoenix in some form. And it's because of that I have faith that Iris could appear in another game. :ayame:
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Uh huh. To be honest, I don't really like the idea of just ditching Phoenix and the rest of the old crowd like that. They shoulda stuck with them instead of replacing him with some random newbie guy :edgeworth:
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Uh huh. To be honest, I don't really like the idea of just ditching Phoenix and the rest of the old crowd like that. They shoulda stuck with them instead of replacing him with some random newbie guy :edgeworth:


Well, if the Resident Evil series is anything to go by, we don't have to worry about the characters going anywhere. I think GS5 will have a lot of emphasis on past characters, mostly the Feys. And :odoroki: will go another game without any significant character development. :D
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I sure hope so. Don't like him too much, to be honest.

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And Phoenix's adopted daughter doesn't make sense to me either. Why doesn't he get a real one with Iris >:( Just don't like the fact that he became a hobo for no reason I guess...

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I sure hope so. Don't like him too much, to be honest.

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And Phoenix's adopted daughter doesn't make sense to me either. Why doesn't he get a real one with Iris >:( Just don't like the fact that he became a hobo for no reason I guess...


Perhaps the coffee he drank at the end of GS3 rendered him impotent? There is research that proves that coffee damages certain things... :S

I agree, the hobo thing is rather idiotic. I'm still hoping that Capcom will eventually decided to make GS4 non-canon. >.>
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Uh huh. He goes from being an awesome attorney in GS 1-3 to becoming an incredibly uncool bum in GS4. I'm hoping it's some kinda joke, cause the transition from attorney to hobo doesn't make sense to me.

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In that case, I would be severely damaged o_0 I guzzle coffee like nothing else, could probably give Godot a run for his money. Anyway, join the NARUHOBO SUCKS petition, cause no one likes the idea of Phoenix becoming a waste of space. If they wanted to introduce Odoroki, Capcom could have done it without defiling our memory of Phoenix. Seriously, now when I think of Phoenix, it's the image of bum Phoenix that pops up. *Sues for damages*
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Uh huh. He goes from being an awesome attorney in GS 1-3 to becoming an incredibly uncool bum in GS4. I'm hoping it's some kinda joke, cause the transition from attorney to hobo doesn't make sense to me.


Have you played the game? Because there is a reason for it, and it does make sense. Not everyone likes it, but it's not as nonsensical as some are you are making it sound.

He's probably making more money in GS4 than he ever did as a lawyer anyway... him and his non-work ethic. :yogi:
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Yeah, I wonder what he does with all that money...
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Yeah, I wonder what he does with all that money...


I know!

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He spoils Minuki rotten :minuki:

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o_o Well yeah. I'm playing GS4 in chinese, translating it painfully word by word to English >:( I just don't like the way they changed Phoenix out of game, cause it's just so...different from the way he was in GS3. Plus almost no one from the previous games pops up except Ema.
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o_o Well yeah. I'm playing GS4 in chinese, translating it painfully word by word to English >:( I just don't like the way they changed Phoenix out of game, cause it's just so...different from the way he was in GS3. Plus almost no one from the previous games pops up except Ema.


How are you translating it? O_o

And you just reminded me, since Ema is in GS4... there should have been references to :lana:, yet there are none. .
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Uh huh, I liked Lana, she was cool. And using a chinese-english dictionary o_o What can I say, I'm dedicated :phoenix:
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:lana: is my second favourite female character, miles behind :ayame: yet also miles ahead of :uramidn:
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I think Phoenix/Iris COULD work but only if there was more that what happened in T&T like at the end before Iris would leave have a lil cutscene with them holding each other or somehing i dunno *shrug*
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Why wouldn't he believe her? He believed her five years later. It's the only thing that made sense, plus Dahlia would have been in jail at that point.

:cough: "MY DOLLIE WOULD NEVER BE LIKE THAT!"

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Yeah, my point exactly. He was madly in love with Iris/Dahlia, and wouldn't believe anything bad said about her. That's why Iris couldn't just pop up and tell him she was the one who had really been dating him for six moths.
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I bet we've seen :ayame: for the last time in GS3.

Considering the aforementioned fact that she's settled as a shrine maiden, (from her characters POV) she may want to spend the rest of her days taking care of Hazakurai and Bikini.

(from the writers POV) she's prolly nothing more than a possible love interest for phoenix. Unless another murder is going to go down in the mountains, we ain't gonna see her outside of fanart


Curse you and your logical reasoning. ._.

And curse the damn writers for playing with my heart like this, they introduce a very likeable character, whose blushing animation is the cutest thing I've ever seen, and they use her as a disposable plot device. Not fair, not fucking fair.

I don't think I've been this attached to a character since Planescape: Torment and Hotel Dusk. :hyde:

I don't even care if she never gets back with Phoenix, I just want to see more of her. How long could she possibly be in jail for being an accomplice?


There's always AA 5... but honestly, I bet Phoenix went to visit her.
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maya X phoenix would definetely lose taste over a given time, but iris and phoenix...would be an absolute match because there's no other twin to obstruct the love!
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I like the idea of P/I, but I think there's too many bad memories in it.
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yea...but I think something can be worked out in it as long as pearl's either long gone or offed...i seriously douby shed ever let them be together (Curse you Pearls with your childish fantasies...follow in mystic mayas steps and get kidnapped why dont ya)
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