Kinda like in 1-4?

Man, that would have been so much better to figure out on your own instead of having Dues Ex Mia do it for you =(.

Also, to all the people saying things like "he could have stopped it even ignoring Phoenix" thats... well wrong.

1. Destroying the letter: Good job. You just managed to completely ignore your ability to predict the crime and protect Maya. Morgan still would have told Pearl, and Pearl still would have obeyed.

2. Telling Pearl not to do it: Do you really think she'd listen? She's 9! Her Mom is her hero to her, I really doubt she'd listen to Godot.

3. Knocking Misty unconscious: Godot clearly intended to do that, but he specifically says he wasn't thinking at the time, he lost control of his body in rage. Which is a pretty reasonable reaction to seeing the person who stole your life from you.

4. Warning Maya: maaaaybe... but that wouldn't get much done, all things told, plus she probably would have just gotten killed anyway because she would probably rather die than hurt Pearl.

Plus, if you consider 2-2, you can presume that Misty thought she could resist Dahlia's evil... But we also have to consider that Dahlia has some amount of spiritual power, possibly even enough to over power Misty Fey while being channeled. I mean, she did shove out 5 Trick-Locks in a few minutes.

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What if Godot replaced the letter with a scavenger hunt for Pearl? Pearl would simply think that her mom is playing a game with her, and the entire case would be avoided.

That would require inventive, creative thinking. Not likely from someone who had recently woken up from a 5-year coma only to find his hair had turned white, his health had taken a turn for the worse, and his girlfriend was dead.

I liked it when he was calling Mia 'Kitten'. >.>

I did notice how he always seemed disinterested in the cases, though. He was a more balanced prosecuter than some of the others, however, and I felt like he really wanted the truth. You don't ever see him breaking down for losing like with Edgeworth/vonKarmas. I guess that's the defense attorney in him. :P

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You forgot "Godot hands the note over to Maya, along with the recording he made of Morgan and Pearl's visit." Maya may be kinda flakey sometimes but she's not an idiot--she knows her aunt tried to kill her. Even Pearl knows that! If Godot had warned Maya, she could have then gone straight to Phoenix, and the two of them would have been able to sit Pearl down and explain the truth to her.

Pearl takes a 2 hour train by herself every month to vist her mother in prison. She stood next to Phoenix while Adrian described feeling so hopeless she tried to kill herself. I think Pearl can handle Maya telling her, "This note is not for the good of the clan."

Or Godot could have simply altered the note so that it read "Channel Mia" instead. Or removed the picture so that Pearl would try channeling Dahlia and fail. Or replace it with some other picture.

Or he could have gone to the police. If the police came to Maya with the note (like if it was Gumshoe) she would have believed it.

The fact that Godot found the letter, broke the seal, read it, and then placed it back exactly where it had been before clearly shows he never had any intention of preventing the event from taking place. He wanted Pearl to find it just like he wanted Maya to be in danger.

It's pretty sad that he can say, "Whoops!" later and not a single person thinks to question him.



But you can withhold information in the game without showing off Mia as being callous. In 2-2 she refused to give Phoenix hints when Maya's life was in danger. It wasn't even that great of information - she could have just told Phoenix without taking the fun out of that investigation period. They could have even replaced it with a psyche lock on Morgan (which would have been pretty satisfying). But Mia didn't even seem to have a reason to keep information from Phoenix, other than that she was testing him, and that's the part that doesn't fit so well with how much she supposedly cares for Maya.

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What he cared about was besting Phoenix really, not finding the truth or even the fate of the defendant as far as I can tell. This shows up in the other cases as well. His disinterest, as far as I can tell, has to do with the fact that his real goal is defeating Phoenix. For example, in the second investigation of the third case, present Godot's profile to Gumshoe. Phoenix asks a pretty decent question, which is why, since Godot seems to want to take him on so badly, did he not try Maggey's case the first time when everyone believed he was the defense attorney? Gumshoe tells him that Godot said that he knew it wasn't Phoenix and therefore he had no interest in the case. Phoenix is rightfully annoyed. How about mentioning it to someone? This doesn't seem like someone particularly interested in truth or justice. It doesn't even seem like he was out to ruin Phoenix's reputation or at least appear that he had beaten him by taking the case and an easy win over his phoney. All he wants is to beat the real Phoenix in court. As for breaking down, he certainly smoked a lot when Phoenix caught him on things.

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My biggest question is, 'If he didn't feel guilty until the end of the trial, then why did he WANT to be FOUND guilty?' He could've easily just let the trial end after the 'Dahlia' business, and it can't just be because he wants to defeat Nick, else he wouldn't have given Nick hints. I can understand its partly pride, but it also seems to be guilt too.

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All of the first options would have resulted in Phoenix knowing, which at the time either Godot didn't trust Phoenix enough to let him know, or flat out refused to take a course of action which would have let him know.

Removing the picture probably wouldn't have done much good either, remember the only advantage they had was that they knew when, and how it would happen. Removing any of the information would have resulted in Morgan Fey telling Pearl to do it some other, less specific way.

I'm not saying Godot wasn't a fucking dumbass for refusing to do anything that would let Phoenix know, but under that condition, what he did was probably the best option. Of course, one has to question the wisdom of Misty Fey for her choices there, but well... she's kinda dead because of them so /shrug.

[Edit:] Actually... changing it to say "Chanel Mia" would have worked really well... but then you have to question whether Godot would have been able to forge it well enough, given his condition, stress levels, and probably a very short time frame in which to do so.

[Double Edit:] Actually, unless I missed a lot of things, I'm pretty sure no one ever actually told Pearl that her mother tried to kill Mystic Maya. Even if they did, she'd probably only believe it if Nick AND Maya told her, and if she was told that, she certainly wouldn't have kept visiting her mother.

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Even if Pearl wasn't told everything about her mother, she knows that Morgan is in jail for doing something wrong. She's not a dumb kid, after all--she participates in a lot of investigations she probably shouldn't at her age. And there are plenty of ways Maya could "soften the blow" of explaining why the note was a bad idea to Pearl, if she'd been given the chance.

Also...Pearl's 9. Whatever "state" Godot was in, how hard could it be to trick a 9 year old with a forged letter?

It wasn't so much that Godot didn't want Phoenix to know what was going on; rather, he couldn't stomach the idea of going to Phoenix for help. I don't blame him for that. But warning Maya, or the police, is certainly not the same thing.

(Though for the record, I do think Misty is just as stupid and selfish as he is).

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You mean Misty "O SNAP I "PHAIL'D" SO I'LL LEAV MY FAMILY KTHX?" Fey?

Why, whatever do you mean?

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I agree with Croik. Personally, I thought I would have loved a character like Godot. Seemed really cool. Probably had a GREAT reason not to like Phoenix Wright. (Just like our ever cool Edgeworth, and Franziska!)

Then I get to 3-5.

No. No. NO. NO. NO!

To me, Godot is quite emo. More than anything he's self-pitying, and everyone rushes to 'save' him for 'protecting Maya' and 'the future of Kurain.'

Yeah, he only could have prevented the whole thing by throwing away the letter. But no, he had to put Maya in actual danger so that 'he could make up to Mia what he couldn't protect.'

Let's not forget the fact that he probably WANTED Dahlia to be channeled so he COULD kill her. It's only revenge and all.

And let's blame Phoenix Wright, who was the BEST PERSON who could have saved Mia Fey from her secret quest on her family tree.

To me, it was quite pathetic. Franny and Edgeworth had better reasons than this guy.

(It also kind of pisses me off that Mia and Diego fit each other in that they favor Phoenix's skill in defending clients than Maya's life.)

Personally, it'd have been better if he truly was irredeemable. If he went down still hating Phoenix, unable to understand why the hell Mia trusts Phoenix instead of her former boyfriend, THAT would have been an awesome end. He'd have followed his path of self-destruction to the end, rather than wuss out near it's completion.

What I particularly dislike is that his design looked awesome. Why the hell did they make him even more emo than Edgeworth at the end is beyond me.

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yep godot's pretty messed up

Hmm... I suppose that would have worked... assuming, of course, he had a picture of Mia on him at the time.

As for the police thing, honestly I doubt they would have believed him, particularly after DL-6. I mean really "This 9 year old is gonna channel this one girl who you executed last month, and she's gonna kill someone else, but it won't really be the nine year old, and I need your help. For Serious." It's... not a very believable plot. Though he could have told Gumshoe, and Gumshoe could have pulled a ton of strings... Yeah. point to Croik. (Which really shouldn't surprise me)

None-the-less, I still feel sorry for Godot, and certainly think that it was justified homicide. Yeah he wasn't thinking clearly, but since that fact is never addressed, only the results of it, I would rather think of it in the terms he gives, which is that he was too stubborn to see that he should have told Wright, and when you consider those two options he's much more of a tragic hero.

But... then again I felt sorry for Terry Creepier-than-Hotti Fawles when he died, so I guess my sense of tragedy is more sensitive than it should be.

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Wow, I never thought of that. That *would* make the *best* ending.

However, I guess it'd be a little too dark for the audience, as well as kids, so I guess that take-home message would probably hit a little too close to home or something.

I never read any spoilers, and just played the game through. I was really disappointed with the lack of Edgeworth and Fran, and I thought Godot was going to be freakin' awesome (and have a cooler backstory) but no, he turned out to be somewhat cliche and emo. I never thought he'd be that self-pitying, only to have Maya and others DIVE to cover him with testimonies. Not cool. And after he admits defeat (after being totally annihilated), it's ... really disappointing. (Edgeworth is emo, but tolerably (to me, not emo at all) so.) But wow, I never thought Godot would be that pathetic after looking forward to him.

And yes, his design is awesome. The goggles do me in.

It's hardly fair to say that "Godot only acted remorseful because he got caught." His reaction when the truth is revealed is completely different from every other killer in first three games with the exception of Acro (and maybe Dee Vasquez, but that was self-defense anyway, she doesn't seem particularly upset about what she did, and she isn't at all sorry about the things she did in the past that were totally unjustified). I think that the foolishness and irrationality of his actions really did finally hit him for the first time then. And while the others do say "No! You saved Maya!", it's quite significant that he disagrees with them and tells Phoenix he shouldn't have formulated this ridiculous plan in the first place. Furthermore, it seems that even before the end he was filled with guilt and kind of wanted Phoenix to reveal it - why else would he give him hints and not really argue that hard against Phoenix?

Yes, Godot's plan was stupid. I personally think Misty only went along with it because he didn't tell her everything and didn't mention how it could be prevented, only just enough to get her to cooperate. He could have done a lot more, and he says as much himself. But he felt that he could only redeem himself for failing to protect Mia by actually directly saving Maya when she was already in danger like Phoenix failed to do for Mia. He also knew deep down inside that Mia's death wasn't Phoenix's fault, but he felt that it was his fault and he had to project on someone else to live with himself and to have something to pursue.

Is this irrational? Of course it is! But I think a big point of his character is what the poisoning did to him. He was traumatized by it and Mia's death to the extent that he became obsessive, and had complete tunnel vision. The trauma of the poisoning combined with Mia's death changed him into a different person - a bitter person (He makes those coffee metaphors for a reason. While he liked coffee as Diego, I'm pretty sure he didn't make any crazy metaphors about its bitterness and blackness) who was in some ways incredibly irrational, and also totally obsessed with others while being very selfish at the same time. H

Now, while I feel sorry for him and find him to be a rather tragic figure, I do not think he is not ultimately responsible for his actions. And he does pay the price, since him being the picture with Mia and Misty clearly means he's dead. I'm of the view that his wound killed him, not the death penalty. Going without medical treatments for a couple of days would already take a toll on him, especially in freezing weather and ESPECIALLY when he's been slashed with a knife in the face. I think the "tear' at the end was blood from the wound seeping out of his mask or perhaps blood mixed with a tear, though he of course saw it as a tear because he can't see red. The line "a lawyer can only cry when it's all over" seems to suggest that this is the end for him, especially considering the context when he first said it. Even him saying this is the best cup of coffee he's ever had could imply that this will be his very last cup of coffee. And more pragmatically, the death penalty takes a long time to process anyway and the epilogue probably that isn't that far after the game (and he might not have gotten the death penalty for second-degree murder + reckless endangerment).

For the record, I am a fan of Godot. I love his animations, and I find his cheesy pop philosophy and ridiculous metaphors hilarious. I find his story very sad and tragic, and I feel pity for him more than anger, though I certainly agree he could and should have done a lot more. I find Godot very similar in some ways (though completely different in some respects) to the villains from Star Control 2 from which I take my username, though I would surprised if anyone here has played that game. I think applying the label of "hero" to him is a bit much, but he is certainly a rather tragic figure.

4. Warning Maya: maaaaybe... but that wouldn't get much done, all things told, plus she probably would have just gotten killed anyway because she would probably rather die than hurt Pearl.

True but what if they just didn't go to the Training Dojo? No, Pearls, we're not going to a freezing cold mountain because you think we're a cute couple.

I think it's quite fair to fault Godot for all that he does. He does what he does for PETTY, SELFISH reasons. It's why I find him pathetic and pitiful, rather than tragic.

I like Godot, I really do. But I was really disappointed to find this character flaw so deep it was immature and even sick. To each their own, of course. But I feel that Godot's role in that of the 'anti-hero' is very melodramatic, rather than dramatic. He lashes out, yes. Understandable, yes.

But what it boils down to me, is that he put OTHER LIVES on stake, rather THAN HIS OWN. He put Maya, Pearl, Misty, Bikini's, Iris', and indirectly, Phoenix and Larry's, lives in danger. He CHOSE to use them as pawns in his plan (unconciously) so that 'he could prove to Mia that he could protect whatever was left of her.'

While in the end, Godot tries to 'clean up' the mess, the fact is he did not tear up the letter, knowing full well that a murder was to take place. He wanted to look 'the hero' to Mia by protecting Maya. And how best to 'protect' someone?

Creating a danger to put that someone in danger themselves so that you can go rescue them.

Sadly, Godot doesn't admit his guilt into the end, and wanted to play into the 'hero' (and antihero) farce until Wright proved him wrong.

While yes, he regrets his actions, he seems to be far less sincere and appealing, and even fake to me after Edgeworth and Franziska. (But that's another argument for another day.)

Godot reminded me of a standerd tragedy: the hero, of noble birth and strong morality, has a tragic flaw (ie pride and 'OMG I must prove myself better than Phoenix!') which leads to his downfall at the end of the play. Like Oedipus.

So yes, he messed up big time. That's the point of tragedies; they make you think about what you shouldn't do.

(And yes, I know he's a manipulative, egoistic bastard. That's why he's so great *goes for manipulative bastards*)

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