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Croik wrote:
The last thing we need is anti-threads, though.
Very true. I never understood why people felt the need to vent their hatred for a character in a thread. That's fandom though I guess. Fandom is still a mystery to me
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Arkillian wrote:
Croik wrote:
The last thing we need is anti-threads, though.
Very true. I never understood why people felt the need to vent their hatred for a character in a thread. That's fandom though I guess. Fandom is still a mystery to me
Oh darn it. I guess people do it to balance out all the lovey doveyness in Fanclubs. People need a mixture of positive and negative - we can't vent out positivity all the time. (Although it's a shame they apparently are not allowed on this forum...)
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Saying that Godot never beat Phoenix once would be ridiculous considering that no one else has. And as stated before, his temper tantrums (throwing coffee) are not nearly as bad as Franziska constantly whipping everyone. She noticeably did it much more often, and not just Phoenix.
Personally, I think the fact that he is self-centered, sexist, selfish and a total "prick" just makes him to seem more human. Not everyone can be perfect without any faults.
Aaaaand I think I've covered everything that has been on my mind, so, yup.
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yuukanami wrote:
...but he really did impress me in case 3-2. How he got Phoenix to prove that Luke Atmey was Mask*DeMasque, just so Ron could be accused of murder was, IMO, fantastic....
...Saying that Godot never beat Phoenix once would be ridiculous considering that no one else has.
...Saying that Godot never beat Phoenix once would be ridiculous considering that no one else has.
Edgeworth has.
The problem with Godot's approach in 3-2 is that he gambled his entire case on setting Ron up for the murder of Bullard, without fully investigating that murder. When he lost the murder trial he had nothing; it was because Godot was so anxious to trap Phoenix that Ron ultimately got away with stealing thousands of dollars worth of museum artifacts.
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Croik wrote:
yuukanami wrote:
...but he really did impress me in case 3-2. How he got Phoenix to prove that Luke Atmey was Mask*DeMasque, just so Ron could be accused of murder was, IMO, fantastic....
...Saying that Godot never beat Phoenix once would be ridiculous considering that no one else has.
...Saying that Godot never beat Phoenix once would be ridiculous considering that no one else has.
Edgeworth has.
The problem with Godot's approach in 3-2 is that he gambled his entire case on setting Ron up for the murder of Bullard, without fully investigating that murder. When he lost the murder trial he had nothing; it was because Godot was so anxious to trap Phoenix that Ron ultimately got away with stealing thousands of dollars worth of museum artifacts.
He has?
My bad!
Well, I was impressed, but hey, I'm pretty simple minded...
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Anyways, the game does seem to portray Godot as a skilled prosecutor, by the time 3-3 rolls around we hear he's in charge of many important cases at once, if he can get that much responsibilty in a few months we should assume he's quite skilled among the prosecutors at least.
And how dare he persuade the Judge through trickery, when some of the best rely on intimidation and assualt.
Finally why should he have been responsible for outing the fake Phoenix when anyone else was perfectly capable of doing so?
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Akuri wrote:
Anyways, the game does seem to portray Godot as a skilled prosecutor, by the time 3-3 rolls around we hear he's in charge of many important cases at once, if he can get that much responsibilty in a few months we should assume he's quite skilled among the prosecutors at least.
And how dare he persuade the Judge through trickery, when some of the best rely on intimidation and assualt.
Finally why should he have been responsible for outing the fake Phoenix when anyone else was perfectly capable of doing so?
And how dare he persuade the Judge through trickery, when some of the best rely on intimidation and assualt.
Finally why should he have been responsible for outing the fake Phoenix when anyone else was perfectly capable of doing so?
The game doesn't "portray" him as a good prosecutor, it "tells you" he is. There's a big difference. The only reason we know Godot is any good is because Gumshoe says so, and that's before he's taken a single case. Gumshoe then says he dropped several cases just to face Phoenix. But then in 3-5 Gumshoe makes a comment about how maybe Godot won't take any case unless it's to face Phoenix. So which is it Gumshoe!? Did he take extra cases or not? Gumshoe isn't a very reliable witness...
As for the fake Phoenix, it's not that it was Godot's specific responsibility--like Jasmine said, if anyone else had caught on, they would have outed him too. They're pretty dumb not to have realized, but hey, that's AA. But if Godot caught on and said nothing, that's worse than not catching on.
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Croik wrote:
The game doesn't "portray" him as a good prosecutor, it "tells you" he is. There's a big difference. The only reason we know Godot is any good is because Gumshoe says so, and that's before he's taken a single case. Gumshoe then says he dropped several cases just to face Phoenix. But then in 3-5 Gumshoe makes a comment about how maybe Godot won't take any case unless it's to face Phoenix. So which is it Gumshoe!? Did he take extra cases or not? Gumshoe isn't a very reliable witness...
As for the fake Phoenix, it's not that it was Godot's specific responsibility--like Jasmine said, if anyone else had caught on, they would have outed him too. They're pretty dumb not to have realized, but hey, that's AA. But if Godot caught on and said nothing, that's worse than not catching on.
As for the fake Phoenix, it's not that it was Godot's specific responsibility--like Jasmine said, if anyone else had caught on, they would have outed him too. They're pretty dumb not to have realized, but hey, that's AA. But if Godot caught on and said nothing, that's worse than not catching on.
I can agree with it being forced on us, but I feel that his performance in court would be better than average, mirror moment aside. Lets face it, all the prosecutors have had one of these moments, to different degrees.
I'm afraid I don't recall Gumshoe claiming Godot never did any cases unless Phoenix was involved, got it quoted or in a textdump by any chance?
I was under the impression that everyone, or the majority at least, did figure out something was wrong, but nobody had the spine to ask the question. So Godot would be in the same boat as everyone else.
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I specifically remember Gumshoe saying Godot dropped his cases to face Phoenix, but I'm not positive where it was. Fairly sure it was in the first half of 3-3, though.
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Akuri wrote:
And how dare he persuade the Judge through trickery, when some of the best rely on intimidation and assualt.
Why does this line remind me of Chris Crocker?
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Lind_L_Tailor wrote:
Akuri wrote:
And how dare he persuade the Judge through trickery, when some of the best rely on intimidation and assualt.
Why does this line remind me of Chris Crocker?
LEAVE UDGEY ALOOOONE!
Anyway, this is turning into a hate thread I believe.
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Quote:
Gumshoe: It's really weird. All of a sudden, no one can reach him! Hmm, I wonder if the rumors are true. Maybe since Mr. Wright caught a cold and won't be defending, he just lost interest.
So there are at least rumors that Godot loses interest in a case if Phoenix isn't involved.
Even though Gumshoe talks about Godot dropping cases, when he describes Godot to Edgeworth he still doesn't mention a win record.
Quote:
Gumshoe: I thought Prosecutor Godot was gonna get here before me. That guy's a real mystery, I tell you!
...
Edgeworth: So who is this Prosecutor Godot? I've never heard of him.
Gumshoe: Yeah, he's a new guy... Showed up after you left the country! He's a complete rookie, but nobody can say a bad word about the guy.
Edgeworth: What kind of a man is he?
Gumshoe: He just became a prosecutor recently, but he's good, sir. Real good.
Edgeworth: (If he's so good, how is it that I've never heard of him...?)
...
Edgeworth: So who is this Prosecutor Godot? I've never heard of him.
Gumshoe: Yeah, he's a new guy... Showed up after you left the country! He's a complete rookie, but nobody can say a bad word about the guy.
Edgeworth: What kind of a man is he?
Gumshoe: He just became a prosecutor recently, but he's good, sir. Real good.
Edgeworth: (If he's so good, how is it that I've never heard of him...?)
He says Godot is "good" but he said that before Godot had taken a case. And he still refers to Godot as a "complete rookie" even though he's been a prosecutor since September, around 5 months. So we still have no idea how many cases Godot has taken, or if he won any of them.
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Feenie_Polly wrote:
I don't really know, he's a good character and all but he's a crap prosecutor, the only really smart thing he ever really did do was the whole getting luke atmey to be masque de mask so ronnie could get accused for murder... but that's really it. So meh, he's ok.
Um, Godot didn't make Atemy pretend to be Masque*deMask. That was all a part of Atemy's own plan to get Ron the guilty verdict.
Unless you mean forcing Phoenix to prove that Luke was Masque*deMask?
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derrr I'm such an idiot yes thats what I meant see this is why I would never be a good lawyer xD sorry
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He is awesome , a Badass , I love how he does the trial and Simply his hairdo
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Everyone who fought against
lost his trials!Don´t forget!
:I got always my guilty verdict!But then did and it was over
:I had a perfect win record for 7 years!But then HE! 
and I lost!
:I was undefeated for even 40!Years but then and I lost my perfect win record: 
U can´t say that any1 of them was good , because they all lost against someone who needs a spiritmedium to win a case!Godot never really wanted to win!He simply wanted to check Phoenix and his skills!
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Coffee Prosecutor wrote:
hey,Hey,HEY!
Everyone who fought against lost his trials!Don´t forget!
:I got always my guilty verdict!But then did and it was over
:KaWhip:
Everyone who fought against
lost his trials!Don´t forget! :I got always my guilty verdict!But then did and it was over:KaWhip:
Yes but presumably they had some record of winning before meeting Phoenix Wright. Even Payne...
In fact Edgeworth is the only prosecutor known to have defeated Phoenix........that and Klavier, but he doesn't count. =P
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(BTW:I edited the post)
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Coffee Prosecutor wrote:
When did Edgeworth defeated Phoenix?
(BTW:I edited the post)
(BTW:I edited the post)
Spoiler: Edgeworth has won in....
And regarding your edit, yes he neve really cared about whether he won or not, but the fact remains he's never won a case.
This series makes you think that's actually important...
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Spoiler:
And Godot was never a prosecutor.
He´s only a tutor who wanted to check Phoenix´s skills and if he does his job right(I u know what I mean)
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Coffee Prosecutor wrote:
NO!
And Godot was never a prosecutor.
He´s only a tutor who wanted to check Phoenix´s skills and if he does his job right(I u know what I mean)
Spoiler:
And Godot was never a prosecutor.
He´s only a tutor who wanted to check Phoenix´s skills and if he does his job right(I u know what I mean)
Spoiler: JFA Case 4
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"The hammer that strikes too fast has no time to aim."
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Coffee Prosecutor wrote:
Uhm No
Spoiler:
Spoiler:
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I forgot that totally!
BTW:Where is the Matt sratches gis face smilie?
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Coffee Prosecutor wrote:
Oh!
I forgot that totally!
BTW:Where is the Matt sratches gis face smilie?
I forgot that totally!
BTW:Where is the Matt sratches gis face smilie?
Here ya go.
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He also tends to grasp at straws. In 3-3 day 2, he goes back to Victor's testimony a few times... even though it was proven to be absolutely useless! And in 3-2 day 2, he was grasping when the buzzer was brought up. HE was the one who told you Ron was a security guard, yet HE countered Phoenix's claim by saying he didn't know there was security in KB security. I feel sorry for you, man.
I have analysed the different prosecutor's tactics, and here's a list.
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Akiak wrote:
Personally, I don't get where all the Godot hate comes from.
'Nuff said.
Spoiler: 3-5 Spoilers
'Nuff said.
Seconded my Godot friend
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Akiak wrote:
Personally, I don't get where all the Godot hate comes from.
'Nuff said.
Spoiler: 3-5 Spoilers
'Nuff said.
Spoiler:
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neoswordmaster wrote:
Akiak wrote:
Personally, I don't get where all the Godot hate comes from.
'Nuff said.
Spoiler: 3-5 Spoilers
'Nuff said.
Spoiler:
He did that only because he wanted to have this case to be the one in charge!
If he hadn´t acted like that they´d have taken an other Prosecutor
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Akiak wrote:
Personally, I don't get where all the Godot hate comes from.
'Nuff said.
Spoiler: 3-5 Spoilers
'Nuff said.
Oh I don't hate Godot. I just think that he kinda lacks in the prosecution department if you know what I mean....
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Akiak wrote:
Personally, I don't get where all the Godot hate comes from.
'Nuff said.
Spoiler: 3-5 Spoilers
'Nuff said.
And this equates to Godot being a good prosecutor...how?
All that does is explain his motivation.
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
Akiak wrote:
Personally, I don't get where all the Godot hate comes from.
'Nuff said.
Spoiler: 3-5 Spoilers
'Nuff said.
And this equates to Godot being a good prosecutor...how?
All that does is explain his motivation.Godot never wanted to be a prosecutor . . .
He wanted to face Phoenix.He wanted to learn about the person who let Mia die (in his point of view)
It´s siimilar to why Phoenix became an Attorney(because of Edgy)
I think a better thread name would be:Was Godot a Prosecutor?
(From my opinion at least)
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Coffee Prosecutor wrote:
He did that only because he wanted to have this case to be the one in charge!
If he hadn´t acted like that they´d have taken an other Prosecutor
If he hadn´t acted like that they´d have taken an other Prosecutor
Spoiler:
This isn't a Godot hate thread, this is a thread about whether or not he was skilled at the job he took. In all his cases he showed a complete disregard for the people he accused, and in some cases was outright negligent in his investigations because to him it was never about getting justice for the victims, or punishing the guilty, it was about beating Phoenix. His motive was just as selfish and detrimental to the justice system as Edgeworth's or Franziska's. They were all bad prosecutors (though Edgeworth got better~), but at least Edgeworth and Franny had a few wins under their belt.
What would have happened in 3-3 if he DID beat Phoenix? Especially towards the end, when Phoenix more or less proved who was guilty but couldn't *prove* who was guilty? Would Godot have taken his GUILTY verdict and left it at that--left an innocent woman to be executed? Would he have waited until after the trial and then tried to get it appealed? Could he even do that after her case had been heard twice?
Klavier may not have been the most exciting rival but at least you got the feeling that he would never let an innocent woman die just for petty revenge, or to prove the superiority of his ego.
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