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1. If they explained all the events after they were solved like every other case. It was such a confusing case and I think that if they explained it all it would have made more sense to a lot of people.
2. Ending of game 1 and 2, with the OBJECTION! into the microphone.
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but i think 3-5 is the best... :sadshoe:
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What didn't make sense? Maybe you should re-play the case.
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I think this one is my favorite, with 2-4 being a close second. If you want, I can try to summarize the case for you...
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2-4 wasn't confusing, Neither was 3-5.

I love all that spiritual medium stuff. It's just so interesting. And in 3-5, it got a lot of development. 2-4 was just entertaining, with one of the most epic killer breakdowns in the entire series.

The main thing I like about 2-4 was the presence of both Adrian and Edgeworth together! Though he destroyed her. But those two are easily my favourite characters in PW. And then there wasthe mystery behind :shelly: . I love his character.

I loved playing as Edgeworth in 3-5 though. I felt a lot closer to Gumshoe also, lol. zomg *squee* It was awesome. LOL, it seems as if I love everyone. (Except the annoying characters, lol. Except Larry. Larry is cute.)

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Personally, 3-5 and 3-4 tie for best case for me.

2-4 is second (or third depending on how you interpert the above)
But yeah, 3-5 is epic, and little things like that shouldn't really affect your judgement much... :yuusaku:
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Little things like what? Playing as Edgeworth? Hey, I'd agree with you if you could choose to play as :edgy: or :phoenix: but you can't, and so that little bit made me super fangirl hyper happy, if you know what I mean. I've ALWAYS loved Edgey... lol that was definately the highlight of 3-5, IMO.
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i played game 3 first and my friend told me that 3-5 is the best case. i agree with her because the plot is tense like a book and the investigations don't go on forever like 2-4. and the exciting things happen in the courtroom too.
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I don't own the game so I can't replay it, but I played through it in 3 days so I may have been racing to complete it.
I think it was just a little confusing with who channeled who and when did they channel, the order of who visited the garden etc, where everyone was at all times (like Pearl), the snowmobile, etc. I knew it all right when I finished the case but it is not something I can remember a month after I beat it.
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kristophlover967 wrote:
Little things like what? Playing as Edgeworth? Hey, I'd agree with you if you could choose to play as :edgy: or :phoenix: but you can't, and so that little bit made me super fangirl hyper happy, if you know what I mean. I've ALWAYS loved Edgey... lol that was definately the highlight of 3-5, IMO.


No, no. I was saying that little things like not yelling Objection! at the end, or an overview of events at the end shouldn't effect his (Carson's) judgement of 2-4 vs 3-5.
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Carson wrote:
I don't own the game so I can't replay it, but I played through it in 3 days so I may have been racing to complete it.
I think it was just a little confusing with who channeled who and when did they channel, the order of who visited the garden etc, where everyone was at all times (like Pearl), the snowmobile, etc. I knew it all right when I finished the case but it is not something I can remember a month after I beat it.


It's okay to not remember little details a little while after you finish a case, it makes replaying it more fun (if you ever do buy the game yourself or have a chance to play again).
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While I agree with you that 2-4 is the pure awesomeness of the series, I think pretty much everything is in fact explained by the end; it's just such a complex case, it's hard to get it all right away. If it helps, this site has informational breakdowns of each case. Check the front page.
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plus in 2-4 wat did happen to the button on the bellboy uniform? i don't think it's in the overview cuz u can complete the case w/out finding out. just a random question to say that i didn't really get 2-4
and the oblection thing into the mic was cool and all but u can scream objection whenever you want. that shudn't affect it.
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It was part of Adrian's plan to frame Engarde. She put it in his jacket while he was sleeping. You DO need to find that out to complete the case.

I think the glamour of having it right at the end is that in all other situations, you can say it if you want to, and most people don't care. But it is sort of neat to have a bit of self-involvement in the ending.
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It was part of Adrian's plan to frame Engarde. She put it in his jacket while he was sleeping. You DO need to find that out to complete the case.

I think the glamour of having it right at the end is that in all other situations, you can say it if you want to, and most people don't care. But it is sort of neat to have a bit of self-involvement in the ending.


The only awkward thing is when it's like 4AM and you just beat it. You kind of have to say it really quietly... I found it awkward. I can't even shout the words into my DS anyways because I feel weird doing it...
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Katana wrote:
It was part of Adrian's plan to frame Engarde. She put it in his jacket while he was sleeping. You DO need to find that out to complete the case.

No, no, hippie was talking about
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the button Franziska brings to court just before you decide whether Engarde is guilty or not; the one confiscated from de Killer's hideout. That was just a red herring meant to lead you away from the correct final presentation.

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ohhhh i get it now.
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I think the glamour of having it right at the end is that in all other situations, you can say it if you want to, and most people don't care. But it is sort of neat to have a bit of self-involvement in the ending.


The only awkward thing is when it's like 4AM and you just beat it. You kind of have to say it really quietly... I found it awkward. I can't even shout the words into my DS anyways because I feel weird doing it...

yeah i had the same situation since i was playing it in bed.
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You know, I think you can just push A or something instead of HAVING to shout Objection. I did that in 1-5. :yuusaku:
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Hey, I thought 3-5 was better than 2-4. I mean, YOU EVEN GET TO PLAY AS EDGEWORTH! And then there's Franziska being somewhat of an aide and prosecutor. But 2-4 did have a few things better: It had new characters that totally rocked. But they still can't beat 1-5's epicness.

Also, 3-5 made complete sense when I played it.
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I liked *playing* 3-5 more than 2-4, but 2-4 was the one that I felt emotionally involved in.

3-5 was awesome because...
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Parade of Prosecutors! Seriously, they had almost everyone you've ever faced off against in court and you got to interact with them all again, outside of the courtroom.
Playing as Edgeworth! Who has a different flavor of snark than Phoenix. Plus getting to see Gumshoe's reactions as the assistant.
Franziska the Assistant! Rather than Maya you got to hear Franzy's take on evidence and things. Switching it up made the investigation more interesting
Finally wrapping up all that Kurain stuff. I figured Morgan would come back after 2-2, but I didn't see all of it pulling together. And yet another reference to DL-6


However, 2-4 really kept me anxious to see where it would go. I was more worried about Maya in 2-4 than in 3-5, except when I thought that
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Dahlia inside Maya's body would mean that she'd "kill herself", taking Maya with her. I fully expected Dahlia-spirit to start drinking poison or stab herself. Seriously, why didn't she do that if she really wanted Maya dead? Not that I would want Maya dead, of course, but...


For some reason, I figured everything in 3-5 would work itself out. I guess it wasn't as suspenseful for me as the
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Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
You know, I think you can just push A or something instead of HAVING to shout Objection. I did that in 1-5. :yuusaku:
i never realized that. thx for telling me i'll do that next time.

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However, 2-4 really kept me anxious to see where it would go. I was more worried about Maya in 2-4 than in 3-5, except when I thought that
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Dahlia inside Maya's body would mean that she'd "kill herself", taking Maya with her. I fully expected Dahlia-spirit to start drinking poison or stab herself. Seriously, why didn't she do that if she really wanted Maya dead? Not that I would want Maya dead, of course, but...


For some reason, I figured everything in 3-5 would work itself out. I guess it wasn't as suspenseful for me as the
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Hurry up, Gumshoe and bring me that evidence! Maya's life depends on it!
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dahlia didn't knowthat she was inside maya's body. otherwise, yes she would have stabed herself. and 3-5 was the same for me as 2-4 sincee your depending on gumshoe to do sumthing to save maya.

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Hey, I thought 3-5 was better than 2-4. I mean, YOU EVEN GET TO PLAY AS EDGEWORTH! And then there's Franziska being somewhat of an aide and prosecutor. But 2-4 did have a few things better: It had new characters that totally rocked. But they still can't beat 1-5's epicness.

Also, 3-5 made complete sense when I played it.


As much as I loved 1-5, it has to be third on my list. It was win, but a little tedious, and 2-4 and 3-5 had Maya issues and yeah...

However, 1-4 is probably the worst last case in the whole series.
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dahlia didn't knowthat she was inside maya's body. otherwise, yes she would have stabed herself. and 3-5 was the same for me as 2-4 sincee your depending on gumshoe to do sumthing to save maya.

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Right. She didn't know until Phoenix told her, at which point it was a little late to do anything about it (she was on the witness stand at the time, after all.)

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As much as I loved 1-5, it has to be third on my list. It was win, but a little tedious, and 2-4 and 3-5 had Maya issues and yeah...

However, 1-4 is probably the worst last case in the whole series.

I'm just a huge fan of Gant and Ema, in case you haven't noticed. It's also a long case, but mainly the characters made the case for me.
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I liked *playing* 3-5 more than 2-4, but 2-4 was the one that I felt emotionally involved in.

3-5 was awesome because...
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Parade of Prosecutors! Seriously, they had almost everyone you've ever faced off against in court and you got to interact with them all again, outside of the courtroom.
Playing as Edgeworth! Who has a different flavor of snark than Phoenix. Plus getting to see Gumshoe's reactions as the assistant.
Franziska the Assistant! Rather than Maya you got to hear Franzy's take on evidence and things. Switching it up made the investigation more interesting
Finally wrapping up all that Kurain stuff. I figured Morgan would come back after 2-2, but I didn't see all of it pulling together. And yet another reference to DL-6


However, 2-4 really kept me anxious to see where it would go. I was more worried about Maya in 2-4 than in 3-5, except when I thought that
Spoiler:
Dahlia inside Maya's body would mean that she'd "kill herself", taking Maya with her. I fully expected Dahlia-spirit to start drinking poison or stab herself. Seriously, why didn't she do that if she really wanted Maya dead? Not that I would want Maya dead, of course, but...


For some reason, I figured everything in 3-5 would work itself out. I guess it wasn't as suspenseful for me as the
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Hurry up, Gumshoe and bring me that evidence! Maya's life depends on it!


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I actually did worry about Maya in 3-5, and that could have been because it was the ending. I mean, killing Maya wouldn't have as many repercussions if it happened right before a big reset like AJ. It was the end, so they could do stuff like kill people off more freely then.


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Right. She didn't know until Phoenix told her, at which point it was a little late to do anything about it (she was on the witness stand at the time, after all.)


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Why? Why couldn't she smash her head on the stand or try to run out or try to strangle herself or something? She was dead, they couldn't really hurt her. She had very little to lose.

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The only thing I agree with is the lack of "Last objection input." I was disappointed.
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Right. She didn't know until Phoenix told her, at which point it was a little late to do anything about it (she was on the witness stand at the time, after all.)


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Why? Why couldn't she smash her head on the stand or try to run out or try to strangle herself or something? She was dead, they couldn't really hurt her. She had very little to lose.

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Probably didn't think of something like that. She was probably a little too upset about the whole "you fail, you suck, you were born a loser and died a loser" speech to think clearly. :yuusaku:

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The only thing I agree with is the lack of "Last objection input." I was disappointed.

That's hardly important, it just broke a tradition.
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
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Right. She didn't know until Phoenix told her, at which point it was a little late to do anything about it (she was on the witness stand at the time, after all.)


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Why? Why couldn't she smash her head on the stand or try to run out or try to strangle herself or something? She was dead, they couldn't really hurt her. She had very little to lose.

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Probably didn't think of something like that. She was probably a little too upset about the whole "you fail, you suck, you were born a loser and died a loser" speech to think clearly. :yuusaku:

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plus she might of thought that they wud try to stop her... nevermind they let terry fawles kill himself. but they probably didn't know about the liquid or that it was deadly...

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Well, I guess I liked 3-5 a bit more than 2-4 because of the tie-in case that explained the backstory.... (but de Killer was what made 2-4 come close in my opinion)
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I think 3-5 is the best case in the entire series, and I think 2-4 is the worst (because they tried to do a ton of stuff with it, and make it epic, but failed, and I was expecting something epic at the end of the game!)

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Why I didn't like 2-4: As I said, tried to hard. None of the plot twists or surprises were actually surprising. They made Shelley a bit obvoius with the stitches. At the end of the first trial, Phoenix suspects Adrian isn't the suspect, b/c she hasn't admitted to doing it and usually most murderers admit their crime, and *gasp* he's right! At the beginning of the trial, Gumshoe says that it almost seems like the evidence against Matt was planted and *gasp* it was! As soon as you mention 'de Killer' Matt starts to cooperate, so it seems like he is connected to the killer, and *gasp* he is! Plus, getting Adrian to talk in the first day of the trial was long, tedious, and boring, and the entire second day was long, tedious, and boring because you were basically just stalling for time the entire trial. Plus, that whole "Maya is in danger!" thing didn't work 'cause I knew she'd survive (otherwise she wouldn't be on the T&T cover)


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3-5 just kept throwing mystery after mystery at you. I mean, Iris' past (twin sisters with Dahlia wasn't much of a surprise, but having them be Morgan's children? That was pretty unexpected), Dusky Bridge, the real psyche-locks, Maya (freaked me out when she wasn't in the sacred cavern), the gravy, the garden, Edgey and Franny, Larry's drawing. They didn't give those stupid "Hmm... I have a feeling that..." that spoiled 2-4 on the first day. I know Maya being in danger was heavy in both 3-5 and 2-4, but since AJ was next, I thought that she could've actually died, although that was only a small part of me. The other part was wondering where she was and what happened to her is she wasn't dead. (Obviously, we don't need to wonder that in 2-4.)
Although the main reason I really like 3-5 was 'cause it was exactly what I wanted. Literally, right before I started it, I sighed and said, "This whole Phoenix arc has been great, but I really wish they had finished up that Morgan subplot."

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IMO...

3-5 > 1-5 > 1-4 > 2-4

I liked 2-4 and all but the most dramatic part was whether Maya would live, and you knew she would because otherwise Pearl would be your new assistant, lol.

1-4 was pretty cool because you defended Edgey, and Nick had to figure things out without Mia. Plus, owning von Karma just felt more epic than owning Engarde did.

1-5 was pretty fun with the fingerprinting and stuff, and I liked all of the characters in it. The "simultaneous murder" and SL9 were pretty cool, too.

The reason I like 3-5 best is because 1) You get all three of the "main" prosecutors, and 2) All the stuff with the Feys was interesting. Oh, and Edgey's internal monologues were awesome :edgy:
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I liked 2-4 better, but that's just because I like :phoenix: / :maya: and 3-5 got too much into :phoenix: / :ayame: which I don't agree with. So well that's really the only reason, both cases were really good!! Just for that one thing...
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I love both of them, More 3-5 though. More surprises for me and maybe not for other people, I thought that 2-4 was the hardest case of the 3 PW games (Not including AJ as you see.). 2-4 was really confusing, although I want to play it again so badly. ^_^ Unfortunatly, I lost my JFA somewhere.. :payne:
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yeah JFA was predictable but i never would have thought that
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because de killer could have kidnapped maya to make sure phoenix didn't try hard enough and get the wrong verdict or sumthing.
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hippietree12 wrote:
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plus she might of thought that they wud try to stop her... nevermind they let terry fawles kill himself. but they probably didn't know about the liquid or that it was deadly...


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So what? What would they do? If they tried to stop her at least she tried. Why wouldn't she at least try to? And if she attacked a guard or something they could only really hurt Maya. The only issue is that she might not want the pain if Maya got hurt.

Let's say she strangled a guard or something, what would happen? Maya might get hurt.

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plus she might of thought that they wud try to stop her... nevermind they let terry fawles kill himself. but they probably didn't know about the liquid or that it was deadly...


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So what? What would they do? If they tried to stop her at least she tried. Why wouldn't she at least try to? And if she attacked a guard or something they could only really hurt Maya. The only issue is that she might not want the pain if Maya got hurt.

Let's say she strangled a guard or something, what would happen? Maya might get hurt.

Because she didn't. :yuusaku: Why didn't Misty bother warning her daughter that a dead serial killer was out for her life? Why didn't Franziska whip the hell out of Godot for talking down to her like he did? Why didn't Godot at least try to not be such a complete dick?

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plus she might of thought that they wud try to stop her... nevermind they let terry fawles kill himself. but they probably didn't know about the liquid or that it was deadly...


Spoiler: Case 3-4
Remember though, not even Mia realized that Fawles had taken the poison until it was too late for him to live. So, there really was nothing that they could do to stop him from dying.


However...

Spoiler: Case 3-5
It would be impossible for Dahlia to do enough damage in time to herself in order to actually kill Maya, the guards/bailiff/attorneys would have been able to stop her in time, so she couldn't do anything. Not to mention she was seriously pissed off at Mia at the time, so she probably wasn't even thinking about trying to kill herself, rather, she was probably thinking about how Mia was a super-bitch (To her, I mean.).

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It would be impossible for Dahlia to do enough damage in time to herself in order to actually kill Maya, the guards/bailiff/attorneys would have been able to stop her in time, so she couldn't do anything.


Yep, that's pretty much it.

Spoiler: 3-5
When I realized that Maya was channeling Dahlia, I thought Dahlia was going to go berserk, but instead of just leaving the body, I thought she was going to commit "suicide". But then I realized that.

The most should really could've done was bang her head hard against something... which would've given Maya a nasty bruise, and forced Dahlia's spirit to leave Maya's body anyway. (Morgan said that hitting the head hard does that in 2-2, remember?)

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