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Edgey: Disrespectful Child?Topic%20Title
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So I was playing 3-4, when I noticed Edgeworth say this line:

"Nobody on the planet is perfect. Nobody."

Or something like that. But Manny von Karma considers himself perfect, as does his daughter.

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I think it's because he's realized that the hard way during the series, while the Von Karmas have refused to embrace the concept of imperfection.
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But this was Edgeworth's first case, before his "awakening."
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Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
But this was Edgeworth's first case, before his "awakening."

Oh, I forgot. :sadshoe:

What if he just means, "Nobody is perfect. Nobody except for ME!"...?
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Disrespectful indeed. See him out! He will be taking his leave PERMANENTLY.

...I think it might have been a fluke on the part of the writers. Or Edgeworth didn't bother to think of that in his attempt to be persuasive. (Since, if I recall, he said this line during an objection to another statement.)
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I could have sworn I posted something here. -___-

Anyway... As we all know, Miles is no von Karma. And I don't recall him ever stating that he HIMSELF was perfect.

He could have easily meant that nobody is perfect, but his perfect win record will be.
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I don't think Edgeworth was concerned with who "perfection" applied to when he said that line (I can't recall, was he saying it in Dollie's defense?). He was just deliberately being a little shit, much like when he ripped on Mia on the supposed rashness of youth (despite being 3 years younger than her) and called her names.
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In 1-4, Manfred von Karma did speak somewhat lowly of Miles Edgeworth, along the lines of "never being able to shake off the veneer of amateurishness." Despite close to fifteen years of indoctrination, Miles has always been driven to be an attorney by how he felt for his father, and you have to remember that at the time of 3-4 he also carried the burden of his father's death with him.

Also note that the SL-9 case was responsible (possibly not the only one, though) for marring Miles' reputation as a prosecutor. I can't remember if Miles himself ever confirms it, but it would seem to me that the accusations of forged evidence and other dastardly things weren't meant to be true in the writers' intent. Miles was ruthless, yes, but it's questionable as to what degree he took his prosecution.
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MoronSonOfBoron wrote:
In 1-4, Manfred von Karma did speak somewhat lowly of Miles Edgeworth, along the lines of "never being able to shake off the veneer of amateurishness." Despite close to fifteen years of indoctrination, Miles has always been driven to be an attorney by how he felt for his father, and you have to remember that at the time of 3-4 he also carried the burden of his father's death with him.

Also note that the SL-9 case was responsible (possibly not the only one, though) for marring Miles' reputation as a prosecutor. I can't remember if Miles himself ever confirms it, but it would seem to me that the accusations of forged evidence and other dastardly things weren't meant to be true in the writers' intent. Miles was ruthless, yes, but it's questionable as to what degree he took his prosecution.


You bring up a very good point. To my recollection Miles never claims he himself is perfect, just that his cases are. You also strike true that I don't think he would completely forget his father no matter how much indoctrination Manfred spearheaded. From what we can tell from the game about Gregory, he was quite an amazing person and people like that, especially who end up as our parents, are difficult to forget completely.

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I agree with Guardianknight7. They are extremely hard to forget.
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Guardianknight7 wrote:
MoronSonOfBoron wrote:
In 1-4, Manfred von Karma did speak somewhat lowly of Miles Edgeworth, along the lines of "never being able to shake off the veneer of amateurishness." Despite close to fifteen years of indoctrination, Miles has always been driven to be an attorney by how he felt for his father, and you have to remember that at the time of 3-4 he also carried the burden of his father's death with him.

Also note that the SL-9 case was responsible (possibly not the only one, though) for marring Miles' reputation as a prosecutor. I can't remember if Miles himself ever confirms it, but it would seem to me that the accusations of forged evidence and other dastardly things weren't meant to be true in the writers' intent. Miles was ruthless, yes, but it's questionable as to what degree he took his prosecution.


You bring up a very good point. To my recollection Miles never claims he himself is perfect, just that his cases are. You also strike true that I don't think he would completely forget his father no matter how much indoctrination Manfred spearheaded. From what we can tell from the game about Gregory, he was quite an amazing person and people like that, especially who end up as our parents, are difficult to forget completely.

Also, I very much like your avatar.

That's also a good point. What Edgeworth said about perfection being impossible may have even been a subtle dig at von Karma, since it was Gregory Edgeworth who marred von Karma's "perfection." :headbang:
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WallofIllusion wrote:
Guardianknight7 wrote:
MoronSonOfBoron wrote:
In 1-4, Manfred von Karma did speak somewhat lowly of Miles Edgeworth, along the lines of "never being able to shake off the veneer of amateurishness." Despite close to fifteen years of indoctrination, Miles has always been driven to be an attorney by how he felt for his father, and you have to remember that at the time of 3-4 he also carried the burden of his father's death with him.

Also note that the SL-9 case was responsible (possibly not the only one, though) for marring Miles' reputation as a prosecutor. I can't remember if Miles himself ever confirms it, but it would seem to me that the accusations of forged evidence and other dastardly things weren't meant to be true in the writers' intent. Miles was ruthless, yes, but it's questionable as to what degree he took his prosecution.


You bring up a very good point. To my recollection Miles never claims he himself is perfect, just that his cases are. You also strike true that I don't think he would completely forget his father no matter how much indoctrination Manfred spearheaded. From what we can tell from the game about Gregory, he was quite an amazing person and people like that, especially who end up as our parents, are difficult to forget completely.

Also, I very much like your avatar.

That's also a good point. What Edgeworth said about perfection being impossible may have even been a subtle dig at von Karma, since it was Gregory Edgeworth who marred von Karma's "perfection." :headbang:


About Moron's: There were rumors about Edgeworth forging evidence even before the SL-9 (RTTA) Case.. This may be the cause why Edgeworth thinks hes "imperfect"?

About Guardian's: Its true that he would not forget Gregory Edgeworth for anything, not even Manfred von Karma's words. Good point.

About Wall's: Its true, because von Karmas have that tendency to consider themselves perfect no matter what..

These are all really good points! :udgy:
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My theory is this: Due to Manfred looking so down on Edgeworth when he was a child Edgeworth at that time felt he had not graced perfection yet at all. He was still reaching for it.

As for SL-9, Miles didn't forge evidence. He was given it through Lana, who was giving it to him through Gant. It scrutinized his image because he used it and that probably knocked his ego down many pegs.
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