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as a villain, particularly in 3-5. People are like "Oh Dahlia's the main villain in 3-5"

Well your wrong. Morgan is the mastermind and is even more sick a villain then Dahlia. Even Dahlia admits this.

I mean she is one evil witch
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Yeah, really. IIRC Dahlia even said she tried to kill her while they were planning out that thing in prison o____0
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AGREED. I wish we could've seen more of Morgan herself outside of 2-2.
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Yeah, really. IIRC Dahlia even said she tried to kill her while they were planning out that thing in prison o____0


Did she actually say that? o.o

I don't remember that, and I doubt she actually did...considering they planned it when Dahlia was about to be executed....
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^ *just went on Youtube to see if I was right or not D:*

:that-b-word: "At first, that woman was planning to kill me as well! ...Even though I'm her own daughter."

...So I was. WHY MORGAN WHY
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She's definintely underrated as a villain in the series! She is absolutely evil. I can see how Dahlia is her daughter. I just feel bad for little Pearls because she really doesn't even realize what kind of person her mother is... :sadshoe:
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^ *just went on Youtube to see if I was right or not D:*

:that-b-word: "At first, that woman was planning to kill me as well! ...Even though I'm her own daughter."

...So I was. WHY MORGAN WHY


She probably meant before Dahlia went to jail or something.

I don't think Morgan is so evil that she's plot to kill someone who was going to die soon anyway.

It was probably before Dahlia got arrested, or something... or maybe they sentenced her to execution after she was initially incarcerated?

Either way, it wasn't too recent of thing... the play had to have been made before 2-2, because afterwards Morgan wouldn't have been able to hide the plans in Fey Manor.
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It was probably before Dahlia got arrested, or something... or maybe they sentenced her to execution after she was initially incarcerated?


No, it was awhile after 2-2 (a year before 3-5). She was in jail then. They got put in the same detention center. o.o
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I agree. It takes a pretty evil mind to plan out what happened in 3-5. btw, was Morgan ever executed?
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I agree. It takes a pretty evil mind to plan out what happened in 3-5. btw, was Morgan ever executed?


Given that she hasn't killed anyone (she only assisted Mimi murder Dr. Grey), I'd say no.

Personally, I don't think that she's really cut out to murder someone: She's tried on two occasions to kill Maya, and she failed both times.

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I agree. It takes a pretty evil mind to plan out what happened in 3-5. btw, was Morgan ever executed?


I doubt it. She was charged with being an accomplice to a murder. I highly doubt that equals a death sentence.
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She was put in solitary.
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Durp wrote:
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It was probably before Dahlia got arrested, or something... or maybe they sentenced her to execution after she was initially incarcerated?


No, it was awhile after 2-2 (a year before 3-5). She was in jail then. They got put in the same detention center. o.o


Then how exactly would that work out?


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I'm pretty sure she already had it in her house and told Pearl to get it while she visted Morgan once.

....lol Meekins.

My memory is borked.
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But if she initially plotted to kill Dahlia, then got arrested, then agreed to team up with Dahlia, why would the plan say to channel Dahlia?
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............Did I say she plotted to kill Dahlia? D: No, I meant she tried to while they were planning in prison together.

no wonder my username is durp lol
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But if she initially plotted to kill Dahlia, then got arrested, then agreed to team up with Dahlia, why would the plan say to channel Dahlia?


'CUZ MORGAN GOTZ SUPA NINJA POWAHS, DAT'S WHY. >_>

No.... I guess it's that Morgan had heard about Dahlia's death sentence before she was arrested.
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I agree. It takes a pretty evil mind to plan out what happened in 3-5. btw, was Morgan ever executed?


Given that she hasn't killed anyone (she only assisted Mimi murder Dr. Grey), I'd say no.


O yea, duh. I forgot.
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............Did I say she plotted to kill Dahlia? D: No, I meant she tried to while they were planning in prison together.

no wonder my username is durp lol


Uh... why would she try to kill someone when:
(a) she's in prison... for murder
(b) the person she's apparently try to kill is on death row
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Ask the people that made the game. :C I have no clue either.
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Bad Player wrote:
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............Did I say she plotted to kill Dahlia? D: No, I meant she tried to while they were planning in prison together.

no wonder my username is durp lol


Uh... why would she try to kill someone when:
(a) she's in prison... for murder
(b) the person she's apparently try to kill is on death row

Maybe Dahlia initially refused Morgan's offer.
Or maybe she was trying to appeal for a reduced sentence.
Or maybe Morgan had no idea when Dahlia's execution was scheduled and she didn't feel like waiting lord knows how long to set her plan into motion. :yuusaku:

There's any number of reasons.
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How do you kill someone from solitary confinement, anyway? :yuusaku:


(And I know she killed Misty and attempted to kill Maya from SC, but that was with the help of Dahlia--this would be by herself)
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Prisoners usually aren't in solitary 24/7; in most cases, they at least get an hour out of their cell to eat or exercise.
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I'm gonna refrain from asking you how you know that, Franzise. :edgy: *shot*
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My father was a supervisor at the local prison, and a friend's father was a guard there.

Answering your unasked question. :yogi:
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Uh... why would she try to kill someone when:
(a) she's in prison... for murder


Nothing to lose.
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Death penalty?

Plus, bieng not only in jail but also solitary confinement, she'd probably not get a chance to kill Dahlia. I mean, as soon as she'd try to do anything a guard would come stop her.
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I mean, as soon as she'd try to do anything a guard would come stop her.

Who says one didn't? Dahlia did say Morgan tried to kill her.

Or are you insinuating Dahlia was lying? I can't think of a single reason why she would bother to lie about that. She sure the hell wasn't going to be getting any sympathy out of the people in the courtroom.
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I disagree that Morgan used Dahlia. She certainly tried to use Dahlia and she didn't give a crap about anything but setting Pearl up as Master, but Dahlia was in control of that situation. Dahlia only went along with the plan because it suited her own desire which was that it would allow her to hurt Mia. Dahlia even laughs at the plan and mocks it, calling it stupid which it was. Morgan's willingness to simply kill Dahlia to make her plan work shows her desperation far more then her competence as it doesn't even attempt to consider that Dahlia wouldn't have to go along with the plan if she didn't want to. Had Dahlia chosen not to go along with the plan, there is nothing that Morgan could have done. Certainly, once Dahlia was dead, she would have no reason to help the woman who killed her. Morgan doesn't even appeared to have considered this which does not speak positively towards her own competence. Remember that once channelled, Dahlia would be the one in control of Pearl's body. Pearl could have channelled her all she wanted, but unless Dahlia agreed to go along with this plan, there was no way Morgan's plan would work. Dahlia could have just sat there had she decided that was in her best interest. Dahlia's consent was a must and she was in control of that situation.

Now that isn't to say that Morgan isn't an interesting villain, because she is, but I'm not sure that I can agree that Morgan masterminded anything in 3-5. She also has less appeal to me as she doesn't have the complexity of Dahlia's character, although she has a decent start. I do agree that Morgan is sicker then Dahlia though. Hell, she was even a part of twisting Dahlia into what she became. She's the beginning of a lot of pain for a good portion of the cast.
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I totally agree with you.
I love Morgan, and I think her endearing character trait of saying "Good sir" and offering tea and jaw-droppingly large strawberry desserts are cute :tea:

Not to mention she's probably one of the most evil villains in the series~
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Here is my explanation:

1: Dahlia was sentenced to death.
2: Mia died.
3: With Misty and Mia not around anymore, Morgan wanted to kill Maya.
4: She thought of the plan: When Dahlia is executed, then make Pearl channel her and get Maya killed (maybe by framing Iris... I mean, if Maya was arrested in 2-2, then Pearl should be the guilty one here)
5: She wrote these plans down (for Pearl) and hit it in the Manor.
6: Mimi Miney came, with a great opportunity to get rid of Maya easily, not needing to resort on the original plan.
7: Mimi's plan failed, Morgan went to jail.
8: Morgan spoke to Dahlia in prison about the plan. Dahlia agreed because he wanted revenge on Mia.
9: Dahlia was executed.
10: Morgan told Pearl about the location of the plan.

The rest, you know it.
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Agreed

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Agreed

.............................. ;_;


Yep.

So it's not really that "She tried to kill me", it's "She wanted me to be killed".
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I don't see why it's not both.
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1: Dahlia was sentenced to death.
2: Mia died.
3: With Misty and Mia not around anymore, Morgan wanted to kill Maya.
4: She thought of the plan: When Dahlia is executed, then make Pearl channel her and get Maya killed (maybe by framing Iris... I mean, if Maya was arrested in 2-2, then Pearl should be the guilty one here)
5: She wrote these plans down (for Pearl) and hit it in the Manor.
6: Mimi Miney came, with a great opportunity to get rid of Maya easily, not needing to resort on the original plan.
7: Mimi's plan failed, Morgan went to jail.
8: Morgan spoke to Dahlia in prison about the plan. Dahlia agreed because he wanted revenge on Mia.
9: Dahlia was executed.
10: Morgan told Pearl about the location of the plan.


If you agree that this is what happened, then where does Morgan try to kill Dahlia?
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Between 7 and 8.

3-5 wrote:
:phoenix: How did you manage to discuss the plan? When did you talk with Morgan Fey?

:that-b-word: Last year, she was transferred to the same detention center as me. Since I was on death row and she was my mother... ...it was actually pretty easy to meet with her.

:udgy: I see... So that's when you discussed the plan?

:that-b-word: ...Ha! Are you crazy? At first, that woman was planning to kill me as well! ...Even though I'm her own daughter.

:phoenix: All to make Pearl Fey the Master of Kurain...?

:that-b-word: She's a cold, twisted woman. She thought she could finally regain her lost honor. The honor she lost when her younger sister, Misty, took her place as the Master. Ever since that day, she's been working on this plan.

:udgy: Hmm... A plan, huh...

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Personally, I wonder why Morgan just didn't give Maya a poisoned burger - it would have been a lot easier and quicker than either setting Maya up for Dr. Grey's murder or getting Dahlia's spirit to kill her.
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Personally, I wonder why Morgan just didn't give Maya a poisoned burger - it would have been a lot easier and quicker than either setting Maya up for Dr. Grey's murder or getting Dahlia's spirit to kill her.


Morgan's brain is too complicated, she missed the obvious.
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Godot-Fangirl wrote:
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Personally, I wonder why Morgan just didn't give Maya a poisoned burger - it would have been a lot easier and quicker than either setting Maya up for Dr. Grey's murder or getting Dahlia's spirit to kill her.


Morgan's brain is too complicated, she missed the obvious.



Plus that plan probably would have worked...

You know Maya and her burgers!
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Except then they trace the poison burger back to Morgan, and that wouldn't have worked so well...
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