"Something I wasn't able to" (3-5 Spoilers)

Sun Oct 19, 2008 9:40 pm

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At the end of 3-5, in the lobby, Mia tells Phoenix, "You've accomplished something I wasn't able to."
I feel like I must be missing something really obvious, but... what exactly was she referring to? :ini:

Here's the entire conversation if context helps~

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Re: "Something I wasn't able to" (3-5 Spoilers)

Sun Oct 19, 2008 9:42 pm

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I think she meant take down Dahlia Hawthorne...

(I know Mia got her convicted in 3-1, but that didn't do much in the end, did it?)

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Re: "Something I wasn't able to" (3-5 Spoilers)

Sun Oct 19, 2008 9:51 pm

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Bad Player wrote:

I think she meant take down Dahlia Hawthorne...

(I know Mia got her convicted in 3-1, but that didn't do much in the end, did it?)

Didn't do much in the end?

I'm not sure I follow your logic, Dahlia was sentenced and hanged thanks to Mia, I'm pretty sure that would count as much.

Re: "Something I wasn't able to" (3-5 Spoilers)

Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:22 am

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Defeating Dahlia is one thing I'm pretty sure it's not. In fact Mia seems quite possessive of the ability to defeat Dahlia:
Mia:
But I think you finally
understand, Dahlia Hawthorne.

Mia:
...You will never defeat me.

"A truthful witness does not deceive, but a false witness pours out lies." Proverbs 14:5. Straight from the Bible, folks~ XD

Re: "Something I wasn't able to" (3-5 Spoilers)

Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:25 am

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Hm... I think she was referring to how Phoenix saved Diego. Besides the obvious dead factor, she probably could not have gotten him a guilty verdict if she had been in Nick's position. The man was her lover AND had just saved his sister's life; even though Mia believes in justice, that would still be an incredibly difficult decision.

(Or something could have been lost in translation.)

Re: "Something I wasn't able to" (3-5 Spoilers)

Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:25 pm

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That's the conclusion I'm most likely to draw as well. However I don't trust myself to draw impartial conclusions when it comes to issues of Miego, so. :butzthumbs:

I welcome all opinions.

(The line seems identical in Japanese--but of course, I'm an amateur at the language and am not good at picking up on subtleties yet, so I could have missed something.)

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Re: "Something I wasn't able to" (3-5 Spoilers)

Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:59 pm

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WallofIllusion wrote:

That's the conclusion I'm most likely to draw as well. However I don't trust myself to draw impartial conclusions when it comes to issues of Miego, so. :butzthumbs:

I welcome all opinions.

(The line seems identical in Japanese--but of course, I'm an amateur at the language and am not good at picking up on subtleties yet, so I could have missed something.)

Get me Mia's entire quote, and I'll translate as closely to the original meaning as possible. Working with translating the doujinshi I've been doing has made me a little keener in catching subtleties.

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Re: "Something I wasn't able to" (3-5 Spoilers)

Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:13 pm

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DominicanZero wrote:

Get me Mia's entire quote, and I'll translate as closely to the original meaning as possible. Working with translating the doujinshi I've been doing has made me a little keener in catching subtleties.

Suuuuure, tell me this the day AFTER I finish the case again. xD
-zooms through from her last save point- (Yikes, almost went right past it without thinking DX)
あなたは．．．．私にできなかった
ことを、やりとげてくれたの。

"Kureta" means that whatever this thing is, Mia considers it a favor, but other than that...

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Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:47 pm

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neoswordmaster wrote:

Bad Player wrote:

I think she meant take down Dahlia Hawthorne...

(I know Mia got her convicted in 3-1, but that didn't do much in the end, did it?)

Didn't do much in the end?

I'm not sure I follow your logic, Dahlia was sentenced and hanged thanks to Mia, I'm pretty sure that would count as much.

That's right, b/c killing her really helped prevent 3-5 and all that convoluted craziness :nick:

Maybe it was "Stop Dahali Hawthorne for good and defeat Morgan's plan once and for all"?

Iunno -_-' The only other thought I had was winning the case/saving Godot, but I didn't really think that was it... (I mean, it's not like she ever really tried to do that... she kinda died before she got a chance)

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Re: "Something I wasn't able to" (3-5 Spoilers)

Tue Oct 21, 2008 12:16 am

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Bad Player wrote:

That's right, b/c killing her really helped prevent 3-5 and all that convoluted craziness :nick:

Maybe it was "Stop Dahali Hawthorne for good and defeat Morgan's plan once and for all"?

Iunno -_-' The only other thought I had was winning the case/saving Godot, but I didn't really think that was it... (I mean, it's not like she ever really tried to do that... she kinda died before she got a chance)

But how do they know it's "for good"? A jealous branch member could channel her and there'd be chaos again. :beef:

(I live in fear of this. ...Not really. But sorta.) And again, Mia seems to claim the ability to defeat Dahlia entirely to herself.

Right, when I try to think of it in terms of "saving Godot" or even "convicting Godot," I run into a problem of verb tense. XD; Mia probably wouldn't say "wasn't able to" about something she never tried.
That's one thing I'm wondering about the Japanese. I know they don't have a separate verb tense for words like "would," so I'm starting to wonder if that sentence would be better translated as "I wouldn't have been able to"....... buuuut again I don't trust myself to make that reading impartially. :oops:

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Re: "Something I wasn't able to" (3-5 Spoilers)

Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:37 am

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WallofIllusion wrote:

あなたは．．．．私にできなかった
ことを、やりとげてくれたの。

Strange -- for once, the official translation says EXACTLY what the original japanese quote says. "Anata wa... Watashi ni dekinakatta koto wo, yari togete kureta no" means, directly transliterated, "You... Something I could not do, you have done in my place."

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Re: "Something I wasn't able to" (3-5 Spoilers)

Tue Oct 21, 2008 2:56 am

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Well, that cleared things up. :payne:

Still, good job on the translation.

If Mia had congratulated Nick over beating Morgan and Dahlia once and for all, wouldn't it have made more sense to say that right after they beat Dahlia? It's still feasible, but the timing seems off.

Re: "Something I wasn't able to" (3-5 Spoilers)

Tue Oct 21, 2008 6:02 pm

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Spoiler: 2-4

This is all just my own opinion though.

Re: "Something I wasn't able to" (3-5 Spoilers)

Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:57 pm

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Phoenix Soul wrote:

Spoiler: 2-4

This is all just my own opinion though.

I agree but I think she also means helping her defeat Dahlia to the best of their ability and besides the Judge does say

"We are currently filing papers for a way so no one ever channels that spirit again."
Or, something to that effect.

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Re: "Something I wasn't able to" (3-5 Spoilers)

Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:49 pm

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DominicanZero, thanks for the transliteration~ I thought it was pretty straightforward, but you can never be sure with the Japanese and their subtleties. :meekins:

Naruhodo: Good point. ...Though I'm still firmly of the opinion that it's absolutely not defeating Dahlia that she's referring to, because of how possessive she is of that. :payne:

......Maybe I'm the only one.
Phoenix Soul: The more people mention this the more validated I feel in believing it... but the verb tense is still weird... Your comparison to 2-4 is quite intriguing. :edgy:

Godot Armando: Not quite. He just says "It would be best for everyone if no further effort was made to channel that spirit again." It's advice, not anything legally binding. ...And I doubt anything legally binding would work anyway...
But if it's something they worked together on, is it really something that Phoenix does that she couldn't?

Does anyone have any other ideas?

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Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:34 am

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I just re-played 3-5, and when I saw that, I thought she meant defeating Dahlia or something with Godot.
Now, I'm not sure.
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Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:02 am

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^ my new theory XD

Re: "Something I wasn't able to" (3-5 Spoilers)

Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:50 am

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In the end, I think Mia just meant saving Diego from himself and the pain and suffering he was bringing onto himself by forcing himself to stay alive on the excuse of beating the man who "let" Mia die.

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