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Does anyone else think that they aren't as clever or original this time around. A nice number of them had some kind of connection to their japanese name. I don't think that their names are bad, just not to the caliber of the first to games. So is it only me or is anyone else thinking this too?
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There doesn't seem to be as many really terrible puns this time (like JACK HAMMER and WILL POWERS). Most of them are more subtle, and I actually prefer that. I think Luke Atmey is an especially good one.

BUT I STILL HATE RON DELITE :accordion-head:
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Yeah. I think i'm gonna hate Deigo Armando. I would've prefered Javado, or Maxwell Beckett, or something. I'd say his Japanese name makes a better name than Deigo Armando. I can't really think of the pun for him, other than being a name of a soccer player. Since his Japanese name actually stands for Coffee, or something.
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I liked Armando. It's a fun name. I think it works because he's a more "normal" character, so he gets a name that isn't an absurd pun. That tended to be true in the first couple of games, too.
I actually felt that "Luke Atmey" was too obvious and over-the-top, but once I met him in the game it fit perfectly.
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Yeah. I think i'm gonna hate Deigo Armando. I would've prefered Javado, or Maxwell Beckett, or something. I'd say his Japanese name makes a better name than Deigo Armando. I can't really think of the pun for him, other than being a name of a soccer player. Since his Japanese name actually stands for Coffee, or something.



Spoiler: 3-5
I would have really disliked Javado, as it bascially became a joke. Just thinking about:

:godot: If you don't mind....I hope you'll remember....my name is Javado Beckett.

That scene is supposed to be one of the most powerful and moving scenes in the series. I think it would have spoilt the impact if they'd used that name.
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In my opinion, I like Diego Armando better than Maxwell Becket or Javado. Were the latter two names fanmade speculations or where Capcom actually going to use one of them? Just that Maxwell and Javado are not as subtle as Diego Armando, which seems to be chosen for the last few letters in the name. They probably didn't go with Maxwell because the coffee brand seems to only be sold in the US; The pun in the name would probably be too obscure for non USA english-speaking countries.

As for Luke Atemy, I love that name. It rolls off the tongue nicely.

I actually prefer the name use in AA3 as oppose to AA1. I mean, Will Powers and Jack Hammer doesn't seem to have any relations to the characters like Jean Armstrong or Furio Tigre.

I somewhat think that Capcom should have used the name "Adam Mada" for "Glen Elg" rather than using it for the guy at the ending credits? Glen Elg looks asian and with the name Adam Mada it seems fitting.
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Javado is a horrible horrible HORRIBLE name. I cannot stress that enough.

The only name I didn't like was Ron DeLite.
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Why is everyone complaining about Ron? He's Delited to be Mask DeMasqa! Hehe!

Doug Swallow is the worse one. Who the hell would name there kid Doug? And Swallow sounds better with an s on the end.
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Javado is a horrible horrible HORRIBLE name. I cannot stress that enough.

The only name I didn't like was Ron DeLite.


I agree. Not to sound like a prick and sorry if I offended anyone, but I think most fandon-made names are awful. Just that the difference between fanmade names and official names is that the former seems to try harder in making the name have some kind of reference or pun, which may please a small amount of ppl. I mean, I would imagine a fan naming Jake Marshal as Clint Eastword or Furio Tigre as Evel Fenix.

Oh yeah, I thought Larry Butz was kinda bad. At least his first name isn't Seymore.
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In my opinion, I like Diego Armando better than Maxwell Becket or Javado. Were the latter two names fanmade speculations or where Capcom actually going to use one of them? Just that Maxwell and Javado are not as subtle as Diego Armando, which seems to be chosen for the last few letters in the name. They probably didn't go with Maxwell because the coffee brand seems to only be sold in the US; The pun in the name would probably be too obscure for non USA english-speaking countries.

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To clarify, this means that Diego Armando was chosen to form his other name, Godot.

Diego Armando = Godo = the way to pronounce Godot.

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EDIT: I do not consider this a spoiler

It's very much a case one spoiler, since
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You first hear of Diego Armando and his relationship with Mia in case 1, before you ever meet Godot or know who he is.
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...OK, I'll change it...

EDIT: There we go.
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Bahhhhh I don't think I'll ever get over how much I dislike the name "Ron DeLite." Ron just makes him sound...old. I don't know why, but I associate "Ron" with beer-belly guys. Maybe because of my uncle's friend Ron...

And you can't say "DeLite" in a way that isn't silly. As a fic writer, how do you use that in a serious manner? "Mr. DeLite?" STILL SOUNDS LIKE A PORN NAME. With most PW names that are silly, at least you can take the given or the surname by itself and it sounds okay (like I don't think I'll ever refer to him as "Furio" but "Tigre" is okay). But RON and DELITE are both bad.

They should have given him a cuter name. Like... Tim! Or Justin, or even Andy. But RON? ;_;

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Ron DeLite is pretty bad. However, one of my best friend's roommates is named Ron. So I just keep getting images of him dressed up as Mask☆DeMasque. Which makes the horror of Ron DeLite seem more hilarious than painful, so I guess I should be grateful.

I didn't think any of the names (other than the DeLites) were that bad though. I'm surprised how many people are still attached to the fan names for Kaminogi. I was really relieved that it wasn't Javado or something equally cheesy. I really liked Diego Armando for him actually, it isn't pun filled, but...

Spoiler: 3-5
As others have pointed out... Diego Armando... Godo... It's very subtle. Besides it'd totally destroy that last scene "I hope you'll remember....my name is Javado!!!" The whole court would have to break out in like... mariachi music or Phoenix would wake up and the whole trial would've been a nightmare. It just wouldn't work.

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Actually, I think I would prefer that ending to the one we got. :ditz:
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Ron DeLite's name was definitely yuck. Desiree DeLite made a lot more sense.

Furio Tigre's character didn't translate particularly well. I still find myself calling him Zenitora even though I never played the Japanese version. The stereotypical image of the Brooklyn mafioso is one that's sharp-dressed and outspoken. Versus Furio's attire which reminds me more of the black guys at anime conventions that wear silk DBZ shirts. His speech doesn't seem to match up well with his character design. I guess there's not much more they could've done to localize him, though, keeping the yazuka theme would probably be out of the question for the American/European audience.
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Sometimes I wonder why they even have to change names in the first place...

:ayame: will always be Ayame to me. Iris sounds nice, but it... it just doesn't do it for me.

Same with :that-b-word: , Once you read the origin of her name, calling Dahlia instead of Chinami just doesn't have the same effect. (at least not to me)

:nick: I never liked the sound of "Dolores Willow"

And :zenitora: should've stayed "Zenitora". Its not THAT intimidating, but my god, it sounds cool!


BTW, sorry Croik, but I must say that I like Ron's name, and his character. I find him the most interesting, next to Ayame.
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"Dahlia" is actually a VERY fitting name.
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Accordin to the name section on this website, Ayame means "Iris".


I am happy they went with a name translation as oppose to makin a pun name that probably sounds similar to Dahlia.
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After thinking about it, it would've been better if they made Ron's first name be something starting with an L. He could've been L(whatever) DeLite to go with M(ask) DeMasque.
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Sometimes I wonder why they even have to change names in the first place...


A direct translation wouldn't give an American audience the same effect that it did on the original Japanese audience. They see relatively normal names with interesting puns, where we see exotic Japanese words that are more or less meaningless. True faithfulness comes from evoking the same feelings from the player, not just by maintaining the original names.
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Also, Capcom probably wanted a wider audience in purchasing the game and decided to use the english names. Anime is ahead of video games in retaining the original japanese to western audience. I think it was quite recent that he have actually seen video game adaptions of anime in the US.

I agree with Whodi. Even though, I prefer dubs to be as much faithful as the original languge, I also want them to retain the puns. I now realize why I didn't like the puns in Ace Attorney, but like TAT. Jack Hammer, Will Hammers, and most of the other puns do not relate to the characters while names like Luke Atmey is a great pun, seein how he is a detective, wants attention, and uses that magnifying glass often. Luke Atmey seems like a great translation to "I want love." I mean, true, that can try to keep with the japanese translated name with "Ivan Love."
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BTW, sorry Croik, but I must say that I like Ron's name, and his character. I find him the most interesting, next to Ayame.


Oh don't get me wrong, I LOVE his character. He's one of my favorites! I just can't stand the name he ended up with. Yuusaku Amasugi is just so much better. :yuusaku:
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I don't mind Ron, probably because I have a teenaged character named that that I always think of, so I don't get any weird images of old men. :yogi:

I think they were close to the Japanese names in terms of meaning this time around. In the first game, they seemed to do that less, but now they seem to be really good at keeping the meaning.

at least, I was surprised and ecstatic when they kept the palindromes in Lisa and Glen, though Elg is a really weird last name. xD
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The only name I have a problem with the "the tiger", honestly. The rest are pretty good sounding, and all seem to fit the characters pretty well. At least we don't have random puns like in the first (Jack Hammer, Will Powers, Cody Hackins, Cindy Stone, Penny Nichols, etc)
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Am I the only who can't take Diego Armando seriously? It sounds like a name for a lady killer, for god's sake.

I'm not particularly fond of Tigre's name. There are many in this game that have names that are either Italian, Spanish or French, and they have their reasons to have one. Jean is a French chef, Bruto belongs to the mafia (Or does he? *memory fails*) DeLite's were chosen to go with MaskDeMasque and Diego looks like Latin person.
But I don't understand why they chose an Italian name for Tigre. I see nothing in him that seems Italianish, quite the contrary.
An American name would be more fitting, IMO.
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Am I the only one who thought of Harry Potter after seeing Ron's name and appearance? :meekins:
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I liked most of the names, but although I keep remembering Desirée, Atmey, Jean Armstrong, Violetta, Diego, Terry, Valerie, Bikini, and Dahlia, the rest of them don't really stick into my mind. When I see Tigre, I'm avoiding to think "Hey! Zenitora", instead of "Tigre". ><
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I always think of him as "Don Tigre," and that name works for me.
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Most of the names are good and there are some great puns (like Luke Atmey). The only names I disliked were Doug Swallow (I disliked it even when I didn't get the pun...), Diego's surname ('Diego Armando' sounds like a soap-opera character) and Furio Tigre.

By the way, can somebody explain me the pun in Larry Butz?
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Am I the only one who thought of Harry Potter after seeing Ron's name and appearance? :meekins:


Actually, I was initially upset at Ron's name when I first learned it, because it reminded me of Harry Potter (let's just say I'm not crazy for HP).

However, over time I got accustomed to associating the name "Ron" with the cute PW character, and now I like his name. I even refer to him as "Ronnie" sometimes, just to add to the cuteness. :yuusaku:
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By the way, can somebody explain me the pun in Larry Butz?


There's no real pun there; "Butz" is just an embarrassing last name, and "Larry" is just an informal, sleazy-sounding first name. It also lets characters incorrectly call him "Harry/Hairy Butz/Butts," which is a more obvious pun.
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By the way, can somebody explain me the pun in Larry Butz?


There's no real pun there; "Butz" is just an embarrassing last name, and "Larry" is just an informal, sleazy-sounding first name. It also lets characters incorrectly call him "Harry/Hairy Butz/Butts," which is a more obvious pun.


Hey LuigiHann. Small cyber world, isn't it? Remember me, from the telltalegames forum?

Anyway, Butz is used for that phrase he is known for. "If something smells, it is usually the Butz."

I wonder if a similar phrased is used in the original japanese version.

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Am I the only one who thought of Harry Potter after seeing Ron's name and appearance? :meekins:


Actually, I was initially upset at Ron's name when I first learned it, because it reminded me of Harry Potter (let's just say I'm not crazy for HP).

However, over time I got accustomed to associating the name "Ron" with the cute PW character, and now I like his name. I even refer to him as "Ronnie" sometimes, just to add to the cuteness. :yuusaku:


I thought of Ron Stoppable from Kim Possible
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The only name I have a problem with the "the tiger", honestly. The rest are pretty good sounding, and all seem to fit the characters pretty well. At least we don't have random puns like in the first (Jack Hammer, Will Powers, Cody Hackins, Cindy Stone, Penny Nichols, etc)


The first pw names were random, especially in case 3. The one pun name I like the most in case 3 is Wendy Old Bag. Not only it is close to the japanese one, it describes the character to a "T." I mean she is old and her sentences are long winded.

As you mentioned eariler, Cody Hackins is quite random. It is logical to use the name if he is a computer hacker, but the only "hackin" the kid ever did was physically getting into the studio.

Sal Manella is also a bit random, though I think his name is chosen because of how hideous his face is.
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Anyway, Butz is used for that phrase he is known for. "If something smells, it is usually the Butz."

I wonder if a similar phrased is used in the original japanese version.


Yep.
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Sal Manella is also a bit random, though I think his name is chosen because of how hideous his face is.

Sal Manella seemed a bit odd at first, but I think it fits with how disgusting he is. So yeah, it's not too bad, I think, whereas the other case 3 names are just ew.
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Speaking of names.... Croik... In Luke Atmey's profile, in his spoilers section, there's a part of a sentence where you still use his Japanese Alias, Aiga.

Spoiler: Luke Atmey: GS3 Case 2
Atmey is actually the mastermind behind Ron's Mask DeMasque thefts. He discovered Ron's costume in a dumpster just after the first heist, which Ron had to abandon when he was almost found by the police, and deduced his identity. After that he orchestrated Mask DeMasque's career, blackmailing him into stealing what he wanted. That way Aiga was able to put on a great show for the public, even returning some of the items Mask DeMasque stole for him to show his prowess as a detective.

Until Bullard discovered his secret.

Bolded the name. Unelss that was done on purpose, I assume you meant Luke, or Atmey for that part.
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Sal was hilarious. I loved the way he talked, it made my day.
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