The game was good, but...

I didn't like the ending... its not that it wasn't good I just feel like they left alot out... and then theres the fact that the dl-6 case was brought up so many times and in so many different angles. It seemed like it was approching the point where alot of past events/cases were all gonna intertwine and show how closely everything that has happened through the story arc connected. I'm talking about cases like the one where Fawles kills himself at the end (case 4, including the fake kidnapping incident/case), the dl-6 incident (and all related cases, such as Mia's murder, Edgeworth's trial, the actual dl-6 incident where Misty was called in to help determine who really murdered Edgeworth's father), the case where Mia defends Phoenix (case 1), and any other that I may have missed (oops forgot the whole channeling case where Maya was being accused of murdering Dr. Grey, and ultimately putting Morgan in the Clink.) that were brought up in case 5 of trials and tribulations. (Sure those cases did for the most part come together, but it didn't have the same impact that it probably should have, sure Godot connected almost everything that happened with the exception of the dl-6 incident, but that one connection definetly shouldn't have been the only thing).

But once the credits had passed, I didn't feel satisfied with the "ending" (granted I haven't played any of gs 4, so I have no clue how much more is explained there, other than some of what Phoenix has done since the end of game 3), it seemed... very lacking. For instance... they at the very end show us how Phoenix even actually fell in love with Dahlia (or should i really say Iris?), and while that makes perfect sense, it just seems to be dropped at the end where we're left wondering... what is gonna happen? And does Phoenix really love Iris, Maya, or dare I say it... both? It certainly seems the latter, as both Phoenix and Iris make it blatantly obvious that they still have feelings for each other, but then what about Maya? Phoenix obviously cares about her too, after all the two have been through... Phoenix was always there to save Maya, and then theres the constant Pearls implying they are a couple, and I even remember towards the second half of case 5, someone (I don't remember who at the moment), makes the remark that was something along the lines of "...she's your girlfriend..."

So one piece of the story is sort of answered at the end of game 3 (why Phoenix held such a strong connection to Dahlia, despite how much of an evil bitch she was{because the "Dahlia" he knew wasn't actually Dahlia}), but that ending brings about many many more questions about one piece of plot alone. Now, let me move on to the next problem I have with the ending (or for that matter case 5).

The numerous times the dl-6 incident was brought up in case 5. Now sure a bunch of people involved in case 5 had a part to play in the dl-6 incident, and the obvious connection between the two cases/incidents is the disappearance of Mystic Misty Fey. But, I think its alittle too conveneint that that is the only connection, which brings me to my next question... was there really just one connection? It seems to me, the number of times the dl-6 incident was brought up in case 5, would imply theres still something not quite explained about dl-6 or the events there after. Maybe I'm just crazy thinking theres more to dl-6 than meets the eye, but something about case 5 and the mentioning of dl-6 numerous times bothers me, especially considering every other case that dl-6 was brought up in... those cases revolved around a chunk if not completely around dl-6...

And then theres the ominous comments that are even stated after the case itself ends, stuff like "...soon you will understand..." and similar comments all suggest there should be alittle more to the story than there really was. I'm not saying that it was done like that intentionally, I probably overlooked something as far as Maya having to stay strong for Pearl's sake, but there definetly seems like there should have been more to it than just that. Like I said, it may just be me, but alot about the ending of game 3 left me questions that I honestly think shouldn't be left behind after only introducing alot of new information only moments before, despite those moments being related to prior events.

And while this isn't a major plot point, at the end of game 2, Fransiska has that card that Maya drew Phoenix's face on, and she said she'd return and bring that with her, yet that card never makes an appearance after that or even mention. Like I said, not a big deal, but none the less its missing.

And while I can't particularly blame Capcom, or the writers for excluding some things from the ending (otherwise how would sequels be done well?), but from what I'm hearing about gyakuten saiban 4 is that not much is explained about a majority of the cast from the first 3 games including Maya, Edgeworth, Fransiska, even Gumshoe (other than Ema is now the detective, or "scientific investigator" as she probably would want to be called). And I want to know specifically whats gonna happen with Iris and Godot/Diego. Sure they were convicted of a crime, but as far as I could tell, Iris is being let out eventually (judging by the end of game at least) and I don't think they (capcom) would just drop Godot/Diego out of the picture with something like a life sentence or even death, especially because of how important both of them were to the story arc. I myself have very little knowledge of what happens/is explained in gs 4, but the more I "hear" the less satisfied I'm feeling about finding the answers to some of the answered questions case 5 left me with... Maybe game 5 will go back and answer some more questions? (considering we already know a game 5 is being made).

So what do you all think? Am I just crazy for thinking the ending to the third game is alittle lacking? And is what I'm hearing about game 4 more or less true? (That not much else is explained about the whereabouts of /what happened to the original cast? Sounds like Edgeworth and Gumshoe are missing completely, and that a big chunk of what happened to Phoenix Wright since the ending of game 3 hasn't been explained even in vague detail, other than he quit/retired being a defense attourney.)

I love this game series, and especially the story, and the characters really make the game shine (each character for a different reason), but I feel left in the dark about alot of what happened especially in game 3... (But then again, with the exception of some unique things done as far as twists go, I was more impressed with the previous two games.) And I guess some comments I heard regarding game 3, prior to beating it, how it "Wrapped up" the story arc for Phoenix (I usually read it in the same post as someone trying to defend Odoroki taking over as main defense attourney of the series), but I couldn't disagree more with that opinion. (not the odoroki thing by the way, I have no opinion on him at the moment because I haven't played gs 4 yet, but to be honest I don't think I can warm up to him after 3 games of getting to know and love Phoenix Wright.)

Considering the new games are a whole new cast of characters, I doubt they'll want to spend that much time explaining what happened to everyone else. Otherwise they may as well just have used Phoenix for another game and not used the new characters at all. Though I still don't like how little they explained in 3-5 either.

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That's all well and good...but isn't this meant to be in the PW3 forum? :P

Jus' saying, heh. :Phoenix:

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It's obvious that Godot dies

and it was for the better

I mean now he could be reunited with mia then

and yes i hope gs5 explains what the fuck happened to the rest of the cast we all know and love

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It doesn't have to, and likely won't explain, but it would be nice to know.

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I also would like to see how the rest of the cast looks like when they are older

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I didn't realize that I wasn't in the Hazukurain (game 3) section until after I had already clicked the submit button.


As for Godot, I guess my original assumptions are right then... that picture larry drew of everyone... with the dead feys and him in the top.... implied he died.

So I guess the only things the ending really resolved were what happens to Misty Fey, and Godot can finally rest at ease, and peacefully.
But that brings about a new problem that I see... if Phoenix and the main cast from the first 3 games go poof in gs4.... why even bother making a 4th game? The idea of simply discarding the original cast after 3 games of getting to know and love them, is absolutely retarded. Oh sure a few come back like Phoenix (and oddly enough it seems Dr. Hotti comes back...), but its not the same. We have some new guy who as far as I can tell has very little to do with the original trilogy, and even Phoenix overshadows him.... and it isn't even supposed to be Phoenix's game... so what the hell is the point? What I honestly think they need to do is go back to the original cast somehow in game 5. Even if it means in each case we bump into some-what familiar faces... and as the story progresses, all of whats happened, both from the original trilogy (the stuff we're left compeltely in the dark in because of the gaping hole the ending of game 3 left. Probably enough for another trilogy to be honest), and game 4 (although to be honest game 4 is sounding more and more like it shouldn't even be a part of the series...), and then tie it all together somehow...

/End Rant.

I tend to agree with you in terms of not wanting to see the original cast disappear (though my personal preference would be for an Ace Attorney:Miles Edgeworth trilogy where Phoenix and Edgeworth work together), but I think the general plan is for the Ace Attorney series to switch casts every few games (probably every trilogy, if we're lucky enough to get enough games). If that's it, while I want more from the characters who've left, I can understand, and will be willing to treat the new characters like the rough equivalent of new Doctors in Dr. Who.

Well i'm sure in the newt games they may do what they did in 3 allowing to take cases of different lawyers.

I'd like to see if they make the case where phoenix got his career ended playable in 5.

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I agree that the ending seemed a little... short.. I was expecting a lot more things being shown at the end, like that deKiller card mentioned, or what happened to Godot, etc. I was waiting for Godot to show up and give his own personal message to Phoenix, or SOME mention of "Mia" visiting Godot in the detention centre to settle the past or whatnot.. SOMETHING.. Godot can't just rot in jail without ever hearing from Mia after blatantly seeing her in court after so many years .. AND I WANTED TO SEE THE CELEBRATION PARTY AT THE RESTAURANT DANGNABBIT! I can't believe they cut it after the little chat with Pearls and Maya >.<... On the same note as the Godot thing, am I the only one who noticed that Edgey and Franny didn't have their "turns in the spotlight" while the credits were rolling?? Did they go back to Germany? If so, I would've loved to hear their parting words for Phoenix or w/e.. personally the part in case 5 where they both go head to head against each other was my favorite part in the entire game. But now.. they're silenced for (possibly?) eternity. Hell even OLDEBAG had something to say in the game and she wasn't even IN it this time! ~___~;;;. Ok... I think I'm done. There's probably more points that I'm missing but those were my biggest peeves, along with what was previously mentioned.

Also, I do agree that it seems kind of odd for a brand new attorney with supposedly no previous connection to the original cast to become the main character for PW4. I'm an Edgey fan, so it might be just me, but I would've loved to play as Edgey in the second arc of the series, prosecutor or defense attorney. Or.. create a new character who's a bit more believably tied? I dunno.. I'll save judgment til after I play PW4.

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Wow I didn't even realize how Edgeworth and Franny just disappeared in the ending like that... which does bring up the question, where did they run off to and what happens to them... (Damnit, another point that just proves how poor game 3 ended...)

And yes playing as Edgeworth would have been great. Either as prosecutor or even defense attourney (despite him saying it would be his first and last time as a defense attourney. Maybe something could happen that would force him to become a defense attourney... like Phoenix gets into some deep trouble, and no one wants to take his case (Think back to how Maya for the first time was being charged with murder, and only Phoenix volunteered to defend her.) Or maybe some sort of scandal/incident that would force him out of the prosecutor's office, but not out of law altogether.)

I was surprised/sad that there was no mention of that card...:(

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