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Just a quick question. Why does no one ship Phoenix/Iris even though it's more canon than Edgeworth and Maya? It's such an awesome pairing too IMO :phoenix: :ayame: They belong together!
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I ship 'em. They belong together, as you say. <3
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This is just my opinion, but I much prefer Phoenix/Maya over Phoenix/Iris. Phoenix and Iris dated, sure, but it was a long time ago. I don't think they would necessarily get along like they did before. Phoenix/Maya, Phoenix/Edgeworth, even most of the other Phoenix ships I can think of have more chemistry, just because Iris isn't really much more than a polite girl with a sweet smile. She'd be the perfect housewife, but somehow I think Phoenix would get bored of someone like that.

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Why does no one ship Phoenix/Iris even though it's more canon than Edgeworth and Maya?

People's ships certainly don't depend on what's more canon, anyway. If they did, we wouldn't have nearly as many fun crack pairings. :edgy:
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Hehe I guess so. Everyone's entitled to their own opinions, I guess. Just thought that Iris would suit Phoenix perfectly, especially since they obviously still have feelings for each other. (Credits anyone =P)
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Phoenix/Maya doesn't sit right with me at all. They treat eachother like family/siblings, and shipping pairings like that is always wrong in my book. I'm not even gonna comment on Phoenix/Edgeworth. :moe-laugh:

I didn't think I'd ever comfortably ship Phoenix with anybody. He just seems more like the loner type, but Phoenix/Iris is a nice pair.
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Phoenix/Iris is cute, but I don't know if Phoenix could ever trust her again.

(shouldn't there be spoiler warnings for this?)
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I support Phoenix/Iris, but I can't say I necessarily ship it. They're adorable and I think they would make a good couple, but just like Phoenix/Maya I don't think the game shows any interest in her as a likely option for Phoenix in the present. I just didn't get any sense from the ending that Phoenix still wanted to be with her, regardless of whether or not he still loved her.

Poor girl doesn't even have any official art that I can think of. ;_; Sometimes I wonder if the writers really thought of her as more of a plot device than a viable love interest.
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People's ships certainly don't depend on what's more canon, anyway. If they did, we wouldn't have nearly as many fun crack pairings. :edgy:


You mean like Pearl/Elise?

No really, I've seen some weird shit on GameFAQS, man.

I prefer Canon Pairings though, like "Magically Delicious" (Phoenix/Iris) and "Hot Coffee" (Mia/Armado). XD
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I absolutely adore Iris, and I love the relationship she and Phoenix had back when they were younger, but I think no matter how much tension there will always be between them, that scene in court kills a romantic relationship in the future. No matter how many times I play it, I can't help but read it as goodbye.

Iris's purpose in the narrative was to tie up plot points. Or to put it a more gentle way, she was there to provide closure for the story of Phoenix's college romance. In that respect, no, I don't think she was ever meant to be a viable love interest, because all the emphasis put on her is what she and Phoenix were, not future hopes.

I think Iris and Phoenix are a bit more workable than P/M at this point--this game really went the extra mile to sink it in the English version, it almost seems to me--but there are still a metric ton of issues they'd have to work through.

And, hey, issues can be interesting, but my point is that it's not just a matter of "Feenie loves her". Iris, for all her love of him, lied to him the entire time they were dating. She didn't contact him at all after her sister tried to murder him. Their lives are also very different now, and there's no indication that she's going to pack up being a shrine maiden for him.

And, personally, I think she's a more interesting character away from Phoenix. Most of what I adore about her has very little to do with her as a love interest for Phoenix and more to do with her complicated, conflicted characterization.
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I agree that Phoenix/Maya wouldn't work out. Their relationship seems purely platonic, and they treat each other like siblings. Not to mention the age gap, which is pretty large.

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And, hey, issues can be interesting, but my point is that it's not just a matter of "Feenie loves her". Iris, for all her love of him, lied to him the entire time they were dating.


Well, that's just her character. Iris tried to go for the bloodless solution, and lying to Phoenix was the only way to do it. She was keeping him alive by lying to him, so I think it can be excused. :nick:

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She didn't contact him at all after her sister tried to murder him. Their lives are also very different now, and there's no indication that she's going to pack up being a shrine maiden for him.


Well, she dated him under the pretence of being Dahlia. Phoenix most probably would not believe Iris if she popped up and said she was Dahlia's twin and had really been dating him all along. To be honest, who would? :toupee:

And, well, yeah. I just like the Phoenix/Iris pairing because it's so sweet it gives me cavities . Not to mention they blush around each other so much it's embarrassing.
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Well, that's just her character. Iris tried to go for the bloodless solution, and lying to Phoenix was the only way to do it. She was keeping him alive by lying to him, so I think it can be excused. :nick:


Well, personally, I think it's a bit more complicated than that, especially with the themes of "truth" being so important in these games. I think she probably told herself it was to protect him, but in reality, it was more to protect herself.

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Well, she dated him under the pretence of being Dahlia. Phoenix most probably would not believe Iris if she popped up and said she was Dahlia's twin and had really been dating him all along. To be honest, who would? :toupee:


Why wouldn't he believe her? He believed her five years later. It's the only thing that made sense, plus Dahlia would have been in jail at that point.
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It's more fun this way. Maybe she was ashamed of herself, also--after all, thanks to her people died.
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They're precious together, very cute, sweet, almost nauseating. I find them a more likely couple than Phoenix and Maya....

Spoiler: OMG EPILOGUE TIEM
...But seeing as she ends up in prison... Well, that's not going anywhere fast.


As a past-tense thing, they're great. I'd love to see FeeniexDahlia!Iris fics from Iris' point of view.. But after 3-5, I think they both end up in very different places. Iris seems pretty well settled as a shrine maiden.. And well, if you're into GS4 spoilers, you know what becomes of Phoenix. I just can't see it working out in the long run.
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I'd love to see FeeniexDahlia!Iris fics

I misread that as "fanart", so.

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Isn't Dahlia's hair red? It looks kind of black in that picture...

How can Phoenix miss that!? I know it's fanart, but still...
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My personal theory is that they -did- try and get back together in that 8-year interim between GS3 and 4, but Phoenix discovered that Iris was a very high-maintenance woman.

Spoiler: GS4
And that's how he became a hobo.

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I don't see Iris as a high maintenance woman especially for living most of her life as a nun in an isolated place. I think the woes of her family and her up bringing as a nun may be the reason why she and Phoenix are not together in GS4.

In my opinion, I think between the events in GS3 and GS4, Iris may have probably chose to dedicate her life as a shrine nun/maiden to atone for the sins of her family. Probably Bikini's back got the best of her and as a result, could no longer take care of Hazakurin. Therefore, Iris may left looking over Hazakurin andBikini, if she is still alive in GS4.
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Why wouldn't he believe her? He believed her five years later. It's the only thing that made sense, plus Dahlia would have been in jail at that point.


Well, what I meant to say was that he was really in love with Dahlia at that point, and probably wouldn't think logically. Did you see what Phoenix did after the trial? He still refused to believe that Dahlia was evil, which would probably lead him to not believe Iris. And, to be honest, he was a bit of an idiot at that point. Probably wouldn't believe her on principle. :sadshoe:

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The hobo thing really sucks. Phoenix goes from being awesome in Trials and Tribulations to a street bum in PW4.


Anyway, PW4 is not a true sequel. IMO it's a totally different story from the Phoenix trilogy. All the old characters and stuff just fade away, which stinks. :edgeworth:

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Phoenix doesn't get together with anyone there, so the pairings are still open.


By the way, great fanart there, it's awesome! Now if only someone could post a multichaptered IrisPhoenix fanfic, I would die and go to heaven. :edgy:
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Isn't Dahlia's hair red? It looks kind of black in that picture...

How can Phoenix miss that!? I know it's fanart, but still...

Yeah... Iris probably dyed it red so she looked more like Dahlia. But then you couldn't tell that it's Iris, that's why her hair is black. It's a significant detail that explains who you're looking at in this picture. :hotti:
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Yeah, it's clever :odoroki: By the way, is there any official art for Iris? I couldn't find any.
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There isn't, as far as I know, other than her concept sketches. When the artbook comes out this month we'll know for sure. But there are a lot of characters who don't have finished character art printed anywhere.

Ben, Acro, Matt, Adrian, Killer, Ron, Desiree, Viola, Victor, Lisa, Bikini, Elise, Iris... no love from the artist, apparently ;_;
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I bet we've seen :ayame: for the last time in GS3.

Considering the aforementioned fact that she's settled as a shrine maiden, (from her characters POV) she may want to spend the rest of her days taking care of Hazakurai and Bikini.

(from the writers POV) she's prolly nothing more than a possible love interest for phoenix. Unless another murder is going to go down in the mountains, we ain't gonna see her outside of fanart
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Sadly enough, I agree. Iris is probably another one of those awesome side characters we will never see again, which is really sad. Oh well...
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I bet we've seen :ayame: for the last time in GS3.

Considering the aforementioned fact that she's settled as a shrine maiden, (from her characters POV) she may want to spend the rest of her days taking care of Hazakurai and Bikini.

(from the writers POV) she's prolly nothing more than a possible love interest for phoenix. Unless another murder is going to go down in the mountains, we ain't gonna see her outside of fanart


Curse you and your logical reasoning. ._.

And curse the damn writers for playing with my heart like this, they introduce a very likeable character, whose blushing animation is the cutest thing I've ever seen, and they use her as a disposable plot device. Not fair, not fucking fair.

I don't think I've been this attached to a character since Planescape: Torment and Hotel Dusk. :hyde:

I don't even care if she never gets back with Phoenix, I just want to see more of her. How long could she possibly be in jail for being an accomplice?
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Not long at all. Adrian did the same thing that she did, and got out in months. Iris had better pop up again somewhere, or I'm gonna give Capcom mean looks. :chinami:
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I'm not really a big fan of this pairing. Mainly for reasons I can't discuss.
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I guess just don't feel like the qualification is strong enough, in a sense :p and the lack of some sort of prior interaction from a previous game makes me feel really blech about this pairing.


There might not be prior interaction from a previous game, but

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They had a relationship for 6 months.


If that isn't basis for a pairing, nothing is. Besides, they look so cute together =D
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Spoiler: Iris....
Don't forget, Phoenix thought he was dating Dahlia when they were dating.


....plus them being 'Cute' together is debatable.
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At least we know that nothing ever becomes of this couple X3 and that's major points. dahahahahhhh.



We know that nothing comes of any couples.

Spoiler:
Hobo Phoenix FTW. He gets hooked up with NO ONE. How freaking sad. He's destined to be a lonely man with no social life who plays poker all day =/

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Hobo Phoenix FTW. He gets hooked up with NO ONE. How freaking sad. He's destined to be a lonely man with no social life who plays poker all day =/
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I lol-ed.

Spoiler: GS4
It really is sad. I mean... He has to steal (okay okay.. adopt.. whatever) someone else's kid... He gets disbarred.. He becomes a hobo... He continues on in his Phoenix Wright can't get laid way... You can't help but to feel sorry for the guy.

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Phoenix Wright the 40 year old virgin :hobohodo: Very sad indeed. Btw am I the only one who finds this emoticon funny? Hobohodo made me laugh :redd:
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I don't know why, but I think that Minuki looks like she could be Iris's child... There is something in her face that looks like it. Then again, Iris would have been 19 when she got her, so you can't really say that it was Feenie's child (Feenie met Dahlia and Iris when they were 20-21).
Spoiler: GS4
And he isn't the father anyway. Unless there is a major plottwist coming up in GS5-GS6. :gant:


But maybe we're going to see Iris again. This time madly in love with Nick. :bellboy:
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But maybe we're going to see Iris again. This time madly in love with Nick.


They certainly hinted strongly at that in 3-5. Phoenix and Iris blushing madly aroundly each other and especially the credits(loved that part). And yes, I certainly hope we do see Iris with Phoenix in later games, but it's not very likely :chinami: BTW, I love your avatar. Bidoof abuse makes me laugh XD
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Iris is an adorable character, after all, she wanted to help her sister, she wanted to make her happy.

About Iris/Nixie Pixie...
It's a super cute pairing, i like how Phoenix was all "I love you, you love me".
And Iris!Oh Iris!She was like a cute girlfriend...oh wait!She was a cute girlfriend! :ayame:
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They certainly hinted strongly at that in 3-5. Phoenix and Iris blushing madly aroundly each other and especially the credits(loved that part). And yes, I certainly hope we do see Iris with Phoenix in later games, but it's not very likely :chinami: BTW, I love your avatar. Bidoof abuse makes me laugh XD

Yeah, it really hinted that.
Spoiler: I think this is spoiler... (GS4)
And if I'm right and Minuki is Iris' daughter, it would give a GOOD reason for HoboNick to adopt her... Maybe Iris is Nick's wife and they have raised Minuki together, but for some reason Capcom didn't want to expose that in GS4, so they didn't include Iris in it.

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And if I'm right and Minuki is Iris' daughter, it would give a GOOD reason for HoboNick to adopt her... Maybe Iris is Nick's wife and they have raised Minuki together, but for some reason Capcom didn't want to expose that in GS4, so they didn't include Iris in it.


As of now, you are in charge of GS5 and 6. That is the awesomest idea ever, and I would love to see that happen.
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They certainly hinted strongly at that in 3-5. Phoenix and Iris blushing madly aroundly each other and especially the credits(loved that part). And yes, I certainly hope we do see Iris with Phoenix in later games, but it's not very likely :chinami: BTW, I love your avatar. Bidoof abuse makes me laugh XD

Yeah, it really hinted that.
Spoiler: I think this is spoiler... (GS4)
And if I'm right and Minuki is Iris' daughter, it would give a GOOD reason for HoboNick to adopt her... Maybe Iris is Nick's wife and they have raised Minuki together, but for some reason Capcom didn't want to expose that in GS4, so they didn't include Iris in it.


You know, that would almost restore my faith Capcom.

Let's start a petition. :redd:
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*Signs immediately* Hmph. That is one petition that really needs to be carried out. WE NEED IRIS :ayame: BTW, can you believe Bidoof is owning Edgeworth in the poll? I was like WTF BIDOOF :grey:
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I adore Iris. Truly. But she's just another brick in the "one case only" wall.

Now Powers he's in TWO but I don't see any Powers fandoms around. D= *expresses dislike*
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But...she's not... :eh?:

Spoiler: "Not actually a spoiler but I put it here anyway"
GS4 already revealed who both of Minuki's parents are. It'd be pretty lame to take it back in GS5 - it would negate a bunch!


I liked Iris, too, but I didn't think the game gave any indication that she and Phoenix were going to end up together. I'm not sure even the writers like her enough for that to happen. She has no official character art, she's never pictured with the rest of the cast, she's not in the final sketch that shows Phoenix with all his friends... The focus is so much heavier on Phoenix and his "family." I think if they really wanted Phoenix/Iris together, they would have done more to show that Iris was just as important to him as Maya was, but I don't think they did that.
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