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Hm, I wonder if Iris and/or the judge saw Mia teaming up with Phoenix to point at Godot...
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... alright, in all seriousness? Godot saw part of Mia within Phoenix, because he was very close with Mia. However, the Judge wasn't.... I hope.
Also, to Mia Fey...
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Nah, I'm pretty sure he was too busy looking at the speaker at that point. Namely, Godot.
Actually, the speaker at that point was Phoenix. There is a bit of internal monologue, but it's where he proves the wound is under the mask. So everyone in the court would be looking at him. (Unless they were preoccupied, which I buy for Iris, but not for the judge.)
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... alright, in all seriousness? Godot saw part of Mia within Phoenix, because he was very close with Mia. However, the Judge wasn't.... I hope.
See, that's the issue, isn't it? Did only the people close to Mia see it, or was it a real, supernatural phenomenon? Actually, even if it was the former, that means Maya probably saw it, too.
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Ye see, My complaint is this:
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Actually, she would've HAD to have seen Dahlia if she went in the Cavern.
So? Is there any problem with this testimony, as they say?
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The gate isn't solid. I'm sure you could see someone just on the other side of the bars if that person wanted to be seen. Unless that person couldn't get to the gate for some reason.
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Franzise Deuxnim wrote:
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The gate isn't solid. I'm sure you could see someone just on the other side of the bars if that person wanted to be seen. Unless that person couldn't get to the gate for some reason.
I'll admit that I didn't take that close a look at this before, but what we see behind the bars in this image is the entrance to a cave.
The dialogue from the characters corroborates that the police didn't know who was inside before they actually got the trick locks off and went inside. Thus, what we see behind the bars is the entrance to a tunnel which leads to the sacred cavern.
Maya and later Iris were further in the back, where they couldn't be seen through the bars. We have no evidence that there are more obstacles/locks further in the cavern, but it is the only possible explanation for why Iris didn't wait just on the other side of that gate to be rescued.
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The gate isn't solid. I'm sure you could see someone just on the other side of the bars if that person wanted to be seen. Unless that person couldn't get to the gate for some reason.
I'll admit that I didn't take that close a look at this before, but what we see behind the bars in this image is the entrance to a cave.
The dialogue from the characters corroborates that the police didn't know who was inside before they actually got the trick locks off and went inside. Thus, what we see behind the bars is the entrance to a tunnel which leads to the sacred cavern.
Maya and later Iris were further in the back, where they couldn't be seen through the bars. We have no evidence that there are more obstacles/locks further in the cavern, but it is the only possible explanation for why Iris didn't wait just on the other side of that gate to be rescued.
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How does that contradict what I said?
Anyway, she could have been tied up. Nobody says she wasn't found in that condition, just that she was in the cave.
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Also remember that Iris is loyal to her sister even if she knows she's a deranged murderer, and has willingly cooperated in her schemes before. Even if she could have been seen in the cave, she might not have made herself known at first.
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The gate isn't solid. I'm sure you could see someone just on the other side of the bars if that person wanted to be seen. Unless that person couldn't get to the gate for some reason.
How does that contradict what I said?
Anyway, she could have been tied up. Nobody says she wasn't found in that condition, just that she was in the cave.
How does that contradict what I said?
Anyway, she could have been tied up. Nobody says she wasn't found in that condition, just that she was in the cave.
Well, I thought to show a possibility how Iris wasn't able to be seen behind the Inner Temple bars. If Dahlia tied Iris up, it would have taken more time, and she would have had to catch Iris by surprise or subdue her. It's just as possible as a further barrier back in the cave, I guess, so we can probably pick the scenario that suits us.
As for the noise... We have no idea what's in the back of that cave. You could make up any number of scenarios. For example, if there was one of those waterfalls required for the training course back in the cave, Iris' movement or cries for help might have been drowned out.
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Anyway, she could have been tied up. Nobody says she wasn't found in that condition, just that she was in the cave.
She couldn't have been tied up and tossed in! Dahlia had unlocked the gate when she saw her sister there. She'd have to be super-fast to get her in a state where she could be tied up, and placed in the back of the cavern, and THEN to leave the cavern area and lock it. It's take too much time.
Not just that, but also, there's the matter of how exactly Dahlis could've gotten Iris into that state. She would either had to've...
1) Convinced her to do that (errr... huh?)
2) Knocked her out and tied her up.
If it's the latter, than I can't comment any further, since that was my idea originally.
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She couldn't have been tied up and tossed in! Dahlia had unlocked the gate when she saw her sister there. She'd have to be super-fast to get her in a state where she could be tied up, and placed in the back of the cavern, and THEN to leave the cavern area and lock it. It's take too much time.
Not just that, but also, there's the matter of how exactly Dahlis could've gotten Iris into that state. She would either had to've...
1) Convinced her to do that (errr... huh?)
2) Knocked her out and tied her up.
If it's the latter, than I can't comment any further, since that was my idea originally.
Not just that, but also, there's the matter of how exactly Dahlis could've gotten Iris into that state. She would either had to've...
1) Convinced her to do that (errr... huh?)
2) Knocked her out and tied her up.
If it's the latter, than I can't comment any further, since that was my idea originally.
Keep in mind that Phoenix & Co were in the Main Temple when the earthquake happened, and it takes a long time to even get to the bridge on foot - 15 or 30 minutes? 10 by snowmobile? Damn, I don't remember anymore. But I think it was more than enough time for Dahlia to do her business as soon as Iris arrived.
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That still doesn't explain how, if Iris was lose, nobody heard her. Even if she was trying to keep quiet, it isn't possible to stay perfectly still for a whole day if you're conscious.
I thought I explained that already with my tunnel theory. If there is a bit of distance between that gate with the locks and the Sacred Chamber, any noise made there might not be audible, but Iris and Dahlia could still have traversed the distance in a matter of seconds. All that's needed is another lock/door/gate/obstacle further in that prevented Dahlia/Iris coming up to the gate and you have your explanation. Or am I missing something again?
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How much time would it take for the events with Phoenix, Fraziska, and Edgeworth near the Main Temple, to commence?
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An example to substantiate my point is Iris and Phoenix. Their brief conversation before Iris rings the bell could've lasted a while, because Iris says that she had 2 rush and ring the bell, and they met before 9:30 PM, so...?
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Also, Elise's conversation is even shorter than Edgeworth's with Phoenix and Franziska, eh?
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Now, one of the arguments, however, is that Iris' conversation was much longer than Edgeworths', and Elise's was much shorter than Edgeworth's. Now, here's the scenerio. Elise's conversation must've happened IMMEDIATELY, as in, about a 20 second span, for it to be considered a "normal" aspect of time.
I'll try to explain it better: If Elise's was around the same amount of time as Edgeworth's, then we KNOW that Iris' would be... almost 3 times as long as either, thus, damaging our time theory.
Here's a mission for anyone who chooses to accept it, particularily Mia Fey (the forum user, obvi.). Play 3-5 until you get to the earthquake scene, then when you encounter Edgeworth, state what time it is. Next, state the time when the Inner Temple scene takes place (I KNOW that scene will be recorded with a time), and we'll have an easier time frame to work with.
I am busy typing up a few Magatama scripts for 3-3, so I am unable to do it yet, but I'll try to do it as well, in a few days time.
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