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Ok after my anticipation for the next installment in the PW series, I decided to play through all the games again and things were going along smoothly until I got to the case 4, were you play as Mia for the 2nd time, as you defend Terry Fawless. Their is a few problems in this case that I did not notice the first time I played. The first I would like to know, why did Valarie actually shoot Terry when it was supposed to be a faking kidnapping, I remember the motive for murder (When :chinami: killed Valarie) was to keep Valarie from telling Fawless what really happened, why she shot him. The 2nd is, what ever happened to the enormous jewel that the sisters stole from their father. Also in the final case, Iris admits that she was supposed to help with the fake kidnapping but skipped out on the last minute, what was she supposed to do. Did Valarie shoot Terry because Iris failed to do something, so the sisters had to drastically change their plan? I don't think any of these questions were answered. Could someone please shed some light on this for me, so that maybe I can get some sleep.
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My guess is that Iris probably was supposed to pull Dahlia from the water. Eagle River has a very strong current (we're told that its quite deadly) and Iris knew the area well, so she would certainly have been most qualified to help in that area. Remember that no one was supposed to know that Valerie was in on the kidnapping, so she and Dahlia would not have had a chance to speak after the plan had started and Dahlia had been "kidnapped" which means that they could not have coordinated a sudden change in plans. The whole plan seems to run very smoothly (and works until Valerie decides to confess) which makes me doubt that Iris was involved with the beginning part. Valerie shoots Terry so that they could cut Terry out and frame him for Dahlia's "murder". The shooting distracts Terry so Dahlia can jump and then Valerie can go up as the honest cop to tell the court how he pushed Dahlia to her death (and she valiantly shot him in an attempt to stop him). Dahlia gets far away from her family and starts her new life as Melissa Foster and then Valerie and Dahlia split the money.
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Concerning the diamond, there are two possibilities :

- It has been lost during the time Dahlia was in the river (strong current).
- Dahlia actually kept it and used the money to live "normally" (after all, she was a student without any ressources, during case 1).
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The 2nd is, what ever happened to the enormous jewel that the sisters stole from their father.


Last we know, it was lost in the Eagle River. At least, that's what we hear in 3-4. What really happened to it is, um, up for debate.
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The only one who really says the diamond was lost in the river is Terry.

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My guess is that Iris probably was supposed to pull Dahlia from the water.

That doesn't sound right at all. Iris may not have wanted to go through with the kidnapping, but if that's what her role was, it means not going through with it would have been leaving Dahlia to die.
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To be quite honest, I wonder how much Iris had to do with kidnapping all together. When Dahlia is confronted with her apparent failure over that crime, she blames Valerie and Terry but makes no mention of Iris. The real "betrayal" was really more about Iris's falling in love with Phoenix, but neither Dahlia nor Iris is going to admit such a thing (Dahlia because she wants to hurt him by making him believe the woman he loved never loved him back as well as not wanting to admit that she was hurt when Iris chose Phoenix over herself, and Iris doesn't want to tell him because she doesn't want him to know her secret and hurt him more). Iris confesses that she was supposed to help with the kidnapping, but only after Phoenix mentions it first and an extended pause from Iris). It doesn't make sense that Iris played a more direct role because the plan goes off very smoothly and there is no time for Valerie and Dahlia to think up a new plan when Iris doesn't show up last minute. They can't exactly sit there in front of Terry and talk about how they are planning to double cross him. Terry thinks that Valerie betrayed him and Dahlia, which indicates that he believed he was in on the whole plan. There was no time for them to change their plans together without Terry noticing that something was off (even if he wasn't sure what was wrong).
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About the diamond, it is stated that Dahlia put it in her backpack, which doesn't make much sense. (Think about it, Valerie gives the diamond to Terry, and then Terry gives his ransom money back. Yeah...)
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Terry doesn't give anything back. He thought the diamond was lost in the river with Dahlia.
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