Debate Forum

Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:19 am

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I know this subject will most likely be banned, as the old debate forum itself was, but I'll at least try. I think we should get it running again. We did have some subjects that were controversial and caused tension once in a while, but that's what a good debate is made of. Even if someone feels that a topic itself is presented with bias views, they could at least debate the topic. I just think that debate is supposed to be that way. As long as we aren't typing things like "I'm right because you're a dumbass cock-sucker!" or stuff like that, meaning that we back up our views with logic and things of that sort, I think it should be fine. I always enjoyed the debate forum; even if you're wrong, you can learn from it.

But that's just my opinion. I'm not an administrator, so I can't really do much more than give that.

Re: Debate Forum

Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:42 pm

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for me it sounds good but the thing is that the opinions crash can cause trubles maybe that's because th old debate forum was closed, but still i'd like to paticipate in it ^^

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Re: Debate Forum

Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:20 am

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Actually, to be honest, I was looking forward to cooking up some pretty interesting debates. Yet, as this topic states, the debates forum has been closed.

I don't have a very good grip on this form of forums (the only other time I came across a forum of the same style was once long ago). I guess the best solution would be to have a very strict policy on such of a debate forum, yet somehow have some users unable to post in such topics if their debates are too obscure or too "do you like ___ or ___". Then again, I doubt that the administrators nor the moderators have that kind of time to consume in order to enforce it. Just thing of how many people were to just post random crap for the safe of stressing the staff?

Also, as for biased views on topics, there's always a reason why someone's biased about something (usually not good ones, and that is questionably debate material. Not only that, but it allows the member who presented the biased reasoning to have a chance of growing in character, as well! If not, then I guess some sophisticated debating material could be communicated in the Wright & Co. Law Offices board...

I would support the reviving of the debate forum, though.

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Re: Debate Forum

Sat Apr 05, 2008 3:47 pm

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I have seen boards where debating was allowed and encouraged, but most of the forum staff had a vested interest in debating and the debate threads were very heavily monitored. For CR to re-open the debate board, they would need a moderator or admin dedicated to watching the debate forum, picking out the flames and other inappropriate material.

As a matter of fact, CR could benefit from adding a few more moderators, full stop.

Does we even do these things anymore?

Re: Debate Forum

Sun Apr 06, 2008 1:00 am

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Boss Velotix wrote:

I have seen boards where debating was allowed and encouraged, but most of the forum staff had a vested interest in debating and the debate threads were very heavily monitored. For CR to re-open the debate board, they would need a moderator or admin dedicated to watching the debate forum, picking out the flames and other inappropriate material.

As a matter of fact, CR could benefit from adding a few more moderators, full stop.

Any forum can benefit on more moderators, Boss, but then you have the probability of a breakout due to "chaos in the ranks". Of course, this is only what I've experienced, but it seems to me that everyone on this forum are friends, so you never know. O:

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Re: Debate Forum

Sun Apr 06, 2008 1:37 am

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vhunter13 wrote:

for me it sounds good but the thing is that the opinions crash can cause trubles maybe that's because th old debate forum was closed, but still i'd like to paticipate in it ^^

It wasn't closed because of flaming or 'controversial' postings, honestly.

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Re: Debate Forum

Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:33 am

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Holy Hell wrote:

vhunter13 wrote:

for me it sounds good but the thing is that the opinions crash can cause trubles maybe that's because th old debate forum was closed, but still i'd like to paticipate in it ^^

It wasn't closed because of flaming or 'controversial' postings, honestly.

Oh? Then... would it be any trouble if you could please explain why it was closed, Holy Hell? I'm interested to know.

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Re: Debate Forum

Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:35 am

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I'd actually like to know this, too...

I'd hate to see such a WONDERFUL thing be locked because of a few postings...

Then again, I suppose it's dependent on how "controversial" the posts are.

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Re: Debate Forum

Sun Apr 06, 2008 12:13 pm

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.... closed due to off-topicness instead of controversial discussion~

Re: Debate Forum

Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:29 am

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Debate Forum's can be Touchy, most of the time when they cause strife is when people don't realize that opinion is just opinion, and just because your's doesn't mesh with someone else's, it doesn't mean that you have the right to treat them as if their opinion is worthless.

It's all about respect basically, if the people in the debate can respect one another, then everything rolls pretty smoothly, but what I think is right up there with respect in importance, is an unbiased mod, in other words, a person that can judge when things are getting out of hand, regardless of their own opinions on the topic, this bit can really mess things up if you don't have it.

Anyway, as far as off-topicness, it happens sometimes, as long as there are a few people that remind people to stay on topic about things, that usually isn't too bad an issue.

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Re: Debate Forum

Sun Apr 13, 2008 6:25 am

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but the judge must be someone that doesn't care much about about the topic so he or she wouldn't be in one side

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Re: Debate Forum

Sun Apr 13, 2008 4:08 pm

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Personally I think a moderator that would have bias would be almost encouraged with a Debate Board. It implies that the user has an opinion and has a vested interest in the debates. The fact the moderator could have bias isn't the issue. It's respect for the people on the other side of the debate.

I may not speak for the rest of the staff, but I think that if we had a person who was serious about it we might reconsider opening the debate board.

But there's an important flaw with how the debate board worked (or lack thereof). In addition to what Ryu said, people were posting topics, not because they expected to debate, but because 'they sounded controversial'. It also helps if the debate you're bringing up can actually, you know, be debated.

Topics like "Bush is Stupid" isn't a debate. That's an opinion/statement. There's no room for debate.

Something more on the terms of "How do you think the issue in the Middle-East could be resolved better" or, "Should Teachers be allowed to choose their own books?" are debates. In these cases the user has room to create their own opinion or counter something you suggested.

And overflowing of the former and not the latter made the debate board flounder. I think it also didn't help that people were posing debates because we had a debate board, not really because they had an opinion or vested interest.

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Re: Debate Forum

Sun Apr 13, 2008 4:22 pm

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Sounds like you need a hardass son-of-a-bitch that doesn't put up with any bullshit. ;D

I'd like to see the Debate Forum open and doing its job - it would serve as a useful counterweight to the rest of the board.

Does we even do these things anymore?

Re: Debate Forum

Sun Apr 13, 2008 5:00 pm

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Except for what Wooster said, it was also locked of sheer amounts of sweeping generalizations and ignorance of the topic at hand. I can add myself to the people who probably didn't know enough to debate on the topics seriously. That's why Kenji always seemed to have an upper hand - he HAD done his research. In a way, no offense meant, people on this board aren't skilled enough to debate yet.
Also, there seemed about five people active there.

Not that I'm against a reopening of the place - if there is potential and there is the possibility of handling it well. Not being skilled enough isn't necessarily a reason for keeping locked, either - everyone has to learn, and who, to be honest cares? It's also good fun. Then again, I'm also seeing the birth of small debates all over the Wright & Co. Law Offices and other places while discussing topics - that's also a good way of seeing how it'll go, as people will always start debates themselves.

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Sun Apr 13, 2008 6:01 pm

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If the content of the threads in the Wright and Co. Law Offices is anything to go by, bringing the Debate Forum back would be a very bad idea unless you had a complete asshole for a mod running the place and deleting time-waster posts left, right and centre.

The job would require someone with a lot of tolerance for differing opinions but no tolerance for bullshit and inanity.

If revived and made to work, the debate forum would be unrecognisable when compared to the rest of Court Records. That's the only way it's going to happen.

Does we even do these things anymore?

Re: Debate Forum

Wed May 14, 2008 2:19 pm

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hahaha...I think someone was banned from every forum but the debate forum at this place I used to go to :p

I'd love to see it opened again n.n

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Re: Debate Forum

Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:47 am

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It'd be awesome to have a debate board. I think I joined after it got locked.

There shouldn't be many problems if people are kind, respectful, and intelligent. A good mod would help too though. Especially at 1st before a community starts to form.

In my experience internet debates aren't likely to change someone's opinion or at least not change it too much, but it's still a nice hobby and you can learn some new stuff from it.

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Re: Debate Forum

Wed Jul 02, 2008 2:01 pm

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Superninfreak wrote:

There shouldn't be many problems if people are kind, respectful, and intelligent.

Yeah.... that's why it's not being reopened.

The debate forum was open for nearly a year, and in that time it was *always* more trouble than it was worth. Nothing I've seen of the forum behavior lately has convinced me that anything has changed significantly enough to warrent reopening it.