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This is where I found it, and inside there is a link to the Capcom board.
http://www.capcom-unity.com/ask_capcom/ ... #527536665
He says:
"Quick answers:
1. Still no news to share
2. Ace Attorney was a choice in the franchise lists. That is all that is necessary.
3. The demand for AAI2 is not something that is unknown to us and thus not something that needs to be demonstrated further."
I hope that this is good news to most of you.
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But hey it's nice of Sven to keep us updated like that.
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Man...that looks dull...this actually makes me worried for KH3 (since that team worked on the battle system)
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dullahan1 wrote:
Anyone else get the feeling that this is pretty much the same situation as Mother 3? I mean, I'd like to be hopeful...
You just my hope for both these games.
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3. The demand for AAI2 is not something that is unknown to us and thus not something that needs to be demonstrated further."
Yeah, riiiiiiiiight. So we could all forget about it and pretend AAI2 never existed, heh? Well, nope, not gonna happen dude.
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DeMatador wrote:
He literally just said "Nothing has changed, but we do know a bunch of you want it, so please stop asking for it."
I've never liked Sven, but you know what, fuck him.
I've never liked Sven, but you know what, fuck him.
This. I don't really hate him, and I perfectly know that if it only was up to him, we probably would've gotten AAI2 ages ago.
But the way he said this... very awkward in my opinion. That and the 'bullet point' answer almost made it looks like he doesn't give a damn. But I'm sure he doesn't.
Guess getting asked every week whether AAI2 is coming must be rather 'tiring'.
Oh, I don't want to imagine what it must've been when Legends 3 got cancelled
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3. The demand for AAI2 is not something that is unknown to us and thus not something that needs to be demonstrated further."
Yeah, riiiiiiiiight. So we could all forget about it and pretend AAI2 never existed, heh? Well, nope, not gonna happen dude.
You know, since he knew about the GS5 localisation way before GS5 was announced earlier this year, he probably thought we'd all forget about GK2 and stop asking. Remember how he framed it almost like it was some huge favour?
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Hmm a little disheartening that they know but yet there's no considerations yet.
But hey it's nice of Sven to keep us updated like that.
But hey it's nice of Sven to keep us updated like that.
Sorry, seems he was doing it to close a thread someone complaining about that survey
http://www.capcom-unity.com/ask_capcom/ ... #527536665
If you think he's actively working to get AAI2 you're probably delusional. But hey, he's only doing his job, and fans aren't the ones writing his performance review.
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So I look at it this way, even if nothing happens, it'll still be playable online. Really, this reminds me exactly what happened with Mother 3. The company could care less about translating and porting the game overseas, so dedicated fans translated it and made an English patch for an emulator.
Basically, it's just gotten to the point with me that I honestly don't care what Capcom says or cares about the game anymore, as long as I can access the game and play it someway or another. If they don't want to translate it, I won't give them my support and emulate the game.
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Man...that looks dull...this actually makes me worried for KH3 (since that team worked on the battle system)
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Yeah, I was wondering as I'm translating it myself but I haven't uploaded for copyright reasons. I know it's better not to upload a fan translation that could be officially translated so I don't want to have copyright problems. -_-
Actually, there have been some fan translation projects that have gained support by the original developers. Some companies even license and pay for the fan translations and release it officially. This is a rarity, though. I'm not sure how Capcom will respond to a fan translation of AAI2.
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The real issue is all the other costs like marketing, distribution and such.
True, especially for companies like Capcom who don't realise there's other ways to promote a game than TV ads and social media campaigns (Facebook page and Twitter hashtags)
Take AAI2.
Release it only on the Nintendo eShop > distribution costs greatly reduced.
As for marketting... pretty easy :
- Prepare a special coutroom thingy (those special videos from TGS and the orchestra concert), and
- have it broadcast during a Nintendo Direct (followed by a regular trailer, and a gameplay trailer commented by Iwata/Shibata/etc...)
- ???
- profit.
Of course, it involved a great deal of risk and unknown (will players take the bite? Will they be put off by the DL only thing?), which are two things Capcom seems to love lately (like nitro and glycerin). But come on, it's not like localising AAI2 is gonna cost Capcom million of bucks, and the company is doing fairly well... it's not on the brink of bankruptcy or anything.
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By the way, I'll never understand why Capcom bothered localizing a brand new IP that no one ever heard of, but chose to not localize another title in a successful series. Ace Attorney may not be the most popular series, but I can assure you that more people know about it than Ghost Trick. At least Ghost Trick was an awesome game, though. If it was terrible, than I'd be even angrier at Capcom. Capcom makes great games, but they have they make the worst decisions ever (I'm looking at you, on-disc DLC).
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Capcom should release the game as an iOS title. Look at Ghost Trick. That game sold rather poorly in both Japan and the US on the DS. When it was brought to iOS, it did much better.
By the way, I'll never understand why Capcom bothered localizing a brand new IP that no one ever heard of, but chose to not localize another title in a successful series. Ace Attorney may not be the most popular series, but I can assure you that more people know about it than Ghost Trick. At least Ghost Trick was an awesome game, though. If it was terrible, than I'd be even angrier at Capcom. Capcom makes great games, but they have they make the worst decisions ever (I'm looking at you, on-disc DLC).
By the way, I'll never understand why Capcom bothered localizing a brand new IP that no one ever heard of, but chose to not localize another title in a successful series. Ace Attorney may not be the most popular series, but I can assure you that more people know about it than Ghost Trick. At least Ghost Trick was an awesome game, though. If it was terrible, than I'd be even angrier at Capcom. Capcom makes great games, but they have they make the worst decisions ever (I'm looking at you, on-disc DLC).
Psst I disagree, Ghost Trick would have to do well enough on DS to earn a port.
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Pierre wrote:
TopHatProfessor1014 wrote:
Capcom should release the game as an iOS title. Look at Ghost Trick. That game sold rather poorly in both Japan and the US on the DS. When it was brought to iOS, it did much better.
By the way, I'll never understand why Capcom bothered localizing a brand new IP that no one ever heard of, but chose to not localize another title in a successful series. Ace Attorney may not be the most popular series, but I can assure you that more people know about it than Ghost Trick. At least Ghost Trick was an awesome game, though. If it was terrible, than I'd be even angrier at Capcom. Capcom makes great games, but they have they make the worst decisions ever (I'm looking at you, on-disc DLC).
By the way, I'll never understand why Capcom bothered localizing a brand new IP that no one ever heard of, but chose to not localize another title in a successful series. Ace Attorney may not be the most popular series, but I can assure you that more people know about it than Ghost Trick. At least Ghost Trick was an awesome game, though. If it was terrible, than I'd be even angrier at Capcom. Capcom makes great games, but they have they make the worst decisions ever (I'm looking at you, on-disc DLC).
Psst I disagree, Ghost Trick would have to do well enough on DS to earn a port.
Capcom has listed the game the game as a contributor to the low sales of its first quarter of its 2010 fiscal year.
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No 'news' though, but read into it what you will.
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Meh...Carry on; nothing new...Besides...I read all the spoilers now anyway so...Meh...
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icer wrote:
Not that interesting, just some fool "Sven-bashing" while mods tell him to cool down, he tells them Sven should be respectful, rinse repeat.
Not the first time I've heard of folks doing this thing.
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dullahan1 wrote:
Anyone else get the feeling that this is pretty much the same situation as Mother 3? I mean, I'd like to be hopeful...
If that happens, does it mean Sven will be to the Ace Attorney fanbase what Reggie was (is?) to the Earthbound fanbase? Because as frustrating as not getting a proper answer is, if it's out of his hands it's out of his hands. And at least he's trying.
With that said, yeah, point 3 does seem like an attempt at making us forget about the game.
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Marche Tobaye wrote:
dullahan1 wrote:
Anyone else get the feeling that this is pretty much the same situation as Mother 3? I mean, I'd like to be hopeful...
If that happens, does it mean Sven will be to the Ace Attorney fanbase what Reggie was (is?) to the Earthbound fanbase? Because as frustrating as not getting a proper answer is, if it's out of his hands it's out of his hands. And at least he's trying.
With that said, yeah, point 3 does seem like an attempt at making us forget about the game.
At least Mother 3 got a fan translation in the end. Although AAI2 may never make it to retail ever, at least we have the promise of an English fan translation that will (eventually) come out in full. Plus, support for other languages is planned as well.
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Pierre wrote:
icer wrote:
Not that interesting, just some fool "Sven-bashing" while mods tell him to cool down, he tells them Sven should be respectful, rinse repeat.
Not the first time I've heard of folks doing this thing.
Well now Sven has indeed finally given his latest non-answer:
"It still comes up in conversation but unfortunately there is no new news on progress I can report. All AA resources (especially localization resources) are squarely on AA5 at the moment."
in other words nothing is happening at all, obviously, and it seems unlikely to me he's putting much/any effort in to getting AAI2 and I'm not sure how the assumption was made in the first place.
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Is it wrong to assume that AA5 is coming to the United States then? I guess it wasn't confirmed here, but it seemed heavily implied...
AA5 is most definitely confirmed to be localized.
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icer wrote:
Pierre wrote:
icer wrote:
Not that interesting, just some fool "Sven-bashing" while mods tell him to cool down, he tells them Sven should be respectful, rinse repeat.
Not the first time I've heard of folks doing this thing.
Well now Sven has indeed finally given his latest non-answer:
"It still comes up in conversation but unfortunately there is no new news on progress I can report. All AA resources (especially localization resources) are squarely on AA5 at the moment."
in other words nothing is happening at all, obviously, and it seems unlikely to me he's putting much/any effort in to getting AAI2 and I'm not sure how the assumption was made in the first place.
Well at the end of the day its not his call. He can point to the fan demand and say that all he wants but if higher ups say no he's in the same position as us. Nothing he nor we can do about it other than say "Please" difference is the people he pleads to can just give a definite no, but I don't think he's willing to break our little hearts that way.
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Pierre wrote:
Well at the end of the day its not his call. He can point to the fan demand and say that all he wants but if higher ups say no he's in the same position as us. Nothing he nor we can do about it other than say "Please" difference is the people he pleads to can just give a definite no, but I don't think he's willing to break our little hearts that way.
That's a hypothetical though. We don't know what 'higher ups' are or aren't 'saying no' to things he may or may not be 'asking'. And since Sven is unlikely to be transparent with us, we will likely never know. If Capcom JP or something just said 'No, you're not allowed to have AAI2 for incomprehensible reasons' then Sven could choose to tell us and we'd know who to blame.
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icer wrote:
Pierre wrote:
Well at the end of the day its not his call. He can point to the fan demand and say that all he wants but if higher ups say no he's in the same position as us. Nothing he nor we can do about it other than say "Please" difference is the people he pleads to can just give a definite no, but I don't think he's willing to break our little hearts that way.
That's a hypothetical though. We don't know what 'higher ups' are or aren't 'saying no' to things he may or may not be 'asking'. And since Sven is unlikely to be transparent with us, we will likely never know. If Capcom JP or something just said 'No, you're not allowed to have AAI2 for incomprehensible reasons' then Sven could choose to tell us and we'd know who to blame.
Well Capcom Japan would be the higher up's I'm talking about and perhaps Sven hasn't given up all hope or like I said just doesn't want to break the sad news to us.
I wouldn't blame Sven and even if it was revealed they'd said no I wouldn't blame Capcom Japan officials anyway really, a purely commercial decision where they don't see it as profitable or feasible as an e-shop download.
I put my faith in the fan translation anyway. This late on I'm more or less resigned to it, I'm still high on the fact we're even getting GS5 so the prospect of never getting a nice spin off isn't generating a lot of fury with me.
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then Sven could choose to tell us and we'd know who to blame.
If it's a whole board of directors saying this, there's not a whole lot more he can say than he already has though.
And given what we know of japanese businesses, this would be the most likely scenario.
If this is the case, then there's no 'Individuals' he can point at and sic the fans on for their game...just 'Capcom Japan'!
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LuigiHann wrote:
They way I see it, Sven isn't saying "never" because if they ever decide to port all the AA games to some new platform, it'll make sense to revisit this issue, even if at the moment it's clearly totally dormant
I fear this is the most likely explanation.
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then Sven could choose to tell us and we'd know who to blame.
If it's a whole board of directors saying this, there's not a whole lot more he can say than he already has though.
And given what we know of japanese businesses, this would be the most likely scenario.
If this is the case, then there's no 'Individuals' he can point at and sic the fans on for their game...just 'Capcom Japan'!
Sven could say 'I (pitched the game/download) to (my superiors/Capcom Japan) and they rejected it again so there is nothing to report'.
(People would all get that, that he'd actually tried in response to the fan demand, and it's outside his power. No need to name the 'individuals' in question, we all get the concept of higher ups)
Or he might not have been doing anything at all and have not actually raised the issue with the superiors whoever they are (either in the past few year/s, or ever since the initial 'decision' not the localise it.) He is just 'aware' of the fan demand and will keep this in mind if the 'opportunity' to ever raise it again happens. (Like generic 'Ace Attorney' being an 'option' on the survey, and "that is all that is required". So there's potential IF it's ever available as (re-release) DLC.)
His responses on capcom-unity could mean EITHER of the above, as they are intentionally vague. So you can't just ASSUME either way.
Perhaps this is what the original poster of that question was antagonising to know (except unfortunately they framed the whole deal in a childish manner, so made it more likely Sven wouldn't give us much of an answer to such disrespect)
You can claim MAYBE he's bound by some kind of contractual obligations to tell us no actual information, (even something vague like 'superiors' rejecting his pitch) but since you have never seen his contract, you don't know that either.
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While it may be tiring to hear people constantly asking about GK2, those working above him probably feels the same way. Right now, the only thing on their minds are the new AA games coming out, asking for GK2 might be the same as talking to walls at the moment. There might be more chances if one waits for their hype to cool down a little and ask again. We can only hope that it is what he's trying to do, however, you never know if really is it and may instead forget about it or not care(which look like he really doesn't care as much). Being vague about answers can prevent the risk of loosing fans yet it gives a good reason for the fans to constantly ask.
Sure some of us may be trying to be somewhat understanding but they need to try to also see from our point of view.
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jonathanrp wrote:
let's just let them focus on AA5. The game was announced in 2009 or so, and we're finally seeing it come to fruition. Sven is right when he said that they're investing their resources into AA5 right now. Would you rather have a poorly translated AA5 alongside a poorly translated AAI2, or would you want a high quality AA5 and AAI2, but down the road?
This is pretty much how I feel. As much as I want AAI2, AA5 was announced in 2007, continues the Phoenix/Apollo Story and is for the 3DS. It also brings the court-room back to Ace Attorney, which is the part I enjoyed in the first place. As much as I enjoyed AAI (And I did, I thought it was better than GS2 and 3), AA5 should the the priority right now. From what I remembered the E-Shop wasn't ever really a possibility, but there was a chance that it might come to iOS if Ace Attorney HD did well (it would probably come as a collection with AAI). From what I've seen the fan translation of GK2 looks fine quality-wise and their programming issue probably won't take more than a month or two to fix, so for at least right now I am content with that. That's not to say I don't think Capcom shouldn't localize it or that I'm not in full support of getting it one way or another, but that whoever's decision it is, they've made it clear they are looking at the franchise as a whole right now. In my opinion the best thing to do right now would be to buy whatever AA is out right now (within reason of if you want it or not, of course). If AA5, PLvsAA, and the iOS releases do really well, then I could easily imagine Capcom then shifting focus to getting AAI2 out, if only to keep the AA market continuing to bring in income until GS6/GK3/Larry's Business Tychoon Simulator comes out. I'm not sure if Capcom cares about the Manga or not, although I guess everything helps a little.
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