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Pheonix Wright goes up in rank in umvc3
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Just recent, it was discovered that Pheonix Wright is much more powerful in game than initially thought by the fighting game community:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77ShQvzNK90
Same Pheonix Wright player also managed to eliminate a well known player during the evo world tournament.
And another video showcasing Wright's ability for turn abouts, even in a dire fight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0tbSLG3Xw4
Is anybody a serious Pheonix Wright player for umvc3?
Anybody hope they release Edgeworth with Kay/Mikumo assistant for the next iteration?
If they do, they should do like what they did with Maya and exaggerate her abilities, maybe give her ninja style
assists. {Maya has that energy shield.}
OBJECTION!
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And it was Yipes, right? Aka best Dante player
Play Wright with Dante and Akuma, myself. Not competitively, just for fun, online. Obviously nowhere near those two.
But yeah, everyone says Wright is the worst. But when those people see great play from Wright, they just say "try that at high level play, it won't work!". But when top players get beat by Wright, it's a fluke
It's like talking to a brick wall, but even worse. At least with a brick wall, you can smash your face into it after you're done listening to the bullshit 
I expect even greater things from those two, can't wait to see everyone eat their words when Wright turns out to be better than everyone thought, and they can't deny it
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Professor Yoshi wrote:
I expect even greater things from those two, can't wait to see everyone eat their words when Wright turns out to be better than everyone thought, and they can't deny it
Phoenix has a lot of problems simply because he lacks the tools and damage that Zero and Vergil have. His only saving grace is Turnabout Mode which I've yet to find a better way to find evidence.
I'm Blak, and I have shit taste.
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Blak The Great wrote:
Professor Yoshi wrote:
I expect even greater things from those two, can't wait to see everyone eat their words when Wright turns out to be better than everyone thought, and they can't deny it
Phoenix has a lot of problems simply because he lacks the tools and damage that Zero and Vergil have. His only saving grace is Turnabout Mode which I've yet to find a better way to find evidence.
Lol I'm not expecting him to shoot up to God tier
I know he's terribad compared to Zero/Vergil/Dr Doom and the like. I just meant better than the "absolute bottom no exceptions nothing good about the character raarrrrr" like some people thing.Some things I've gathered that certainly help are
- at the beginning of the match/whenever you're running away, you can use a air questioning to push the opponent back so you can call assists/maya and get some breathing room. It works wonders.
- Plinking is the best thing ever if you can do it.
- Putting Nick second can have even better advantages than having him on point, because if you use a hyper and then DHC into Phoenix's Maya hyper, if it kills, you get a ridiculous amount of time to gather evidence since it has to end before the opponent's next character comes in.
- Judge hyper > nearly everything
All help get evidence
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Professor Yoshi wrote:
Blak The Great wrote:
Professor Yoshi wrote:
I expect even greater things from those two, can't wait to see everyone eat their words when Wright turns out to be better than everyone thought, and they can't deny it
Phoenix has a lot of problems simply because he lacks the tools and damage that Zero and Vergil have. His only saving grace is Turnabout Mode which I've yet to find a better way to find evidence.
Lol I'm not expecting him to shoot up to God tier
I know he's terribad compared to Zero/Vergil/Dr Doom and the like. I just meant better than the "absolute bottom no exceptions nothing good about the character raarrrrr" like some people thing.Some things I've gathered that certainly help are
- at the beginning of the match/whenever you're running away, you can use a air questioning to push the opponent back so you can call assists/maya and get some breathing room. It works wonders.
- Plinking is the best thing ever if you can do it.
Coincidentally, I do everything but these two. I just can't seem to get plinking down. Gotta find a video for it sometime
I'm Blak, and I have shit taste.
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Blak The Great wrote:
Coincidentally, I do everything but these two. I just can't seem to get plinking down. Gotta find a video for it sometime
Highly recommend using air questionings. Everyone expects you, as Wright, to immediately call Maya barrier and rush for evidence. Up backing and using air questionings stops them briefly and is a great asset to investigation mode Phoenix's neutral game.
Plinking by Uglywhen -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7ADvdh6aZU
Hard as fuck. Plinking isn't for me and my paddish ways
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Professor Yoshi wrote:
Blak The Great wrote:
Coincidentally, I do everything but these two. I just can't seem to get plinking down. Gotta find a video for it sometime
Highly recommend using air questionings. Everyone expects you, as Wright, to immediately call Maya barrier and rush for evidence. Up backing and using air questionings stops them briefly and is a great asset to investigation mode Phoenix's neutral game.
Plinking by Uglywhen -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7ADvdh6aZU
Hard as fuck. Plinking isn't for me and my paddish ways
Wow that tech is godlike. I should hit the lab one day and try to master combos with Phoenix. My execution's absolutely horrible.
I'm Blak, and I have shit taste.
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Blak The Great wrote:
Professor Yoshi wrote:
Blak The Great wrote:
Coincidentally, I do everything but these two. I just can't seem to get plinking down. Gotta find a video for it sometime
Highly recommend using air questionings. Everyone expects you, as Wright, to immediately call Maya barrier and rush for evidence. Up backing and using air questionings stops them briefly and is a great asset to investigation mode Phoenix's neutral game.
Plinking by Uglywhen -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7ADvdh6aZU
Hard as fuck. Plinking isn't for me and my paddish ways
Wow that tech is godlike. I should hit the lab one day and try to master combos with Phoenix. My execution's absolutely horrible.
The only one besides the absolute basic one I can do well is turnabout mode's objection loop. I'm so ass.
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Quote:
- Putting Nick second can have even better advantages than having him on point, because if you use a hyper and then DHC into Phoenix's Maya hyper, if it kills, you get a ridiculous amount of time to gather evidence since it has to end before the opponent's next character comes in.
In addition to this, if you still have another bar left, you can THC Maya afterwards to get you another 3 or 4 pieces of evidence.
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http://shoryuken.com/2013/07/19/capcom- ... e-changes/
And the best part is, it was the only news post that had 300+ comments within a day, while other news posts had
around 10. This shows just how much people want a new iteration or update to the game.
OBJECTION!
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- No bad evidence, except for meat (and only if he has red health to regenerate).
- Decrease start-up on slip-up and questioning (including objection).
- Maya shield doesn't give the opponent meter when they attack it, and she takes more damage/damage scaling applies to her.
- Maya comes out closer to Nick, providing more protection.
- Turnabout cr. H hits low.
- Presenting evidence/paperwork is now air-okay.
- Dash speed for Nick is faster.
- Can present evidence faster in trial mode.
Nick is now more viable
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Professor Yoshi wrote:
Buffs for Nick up the ass, please.
- No bad evidence, except for meat (and only if he has red health to regenerate).
- Decrease start-up on slip-up and questioning (including objection).
- Maya shield doesn't give the opponent meter when they attack it, and she takes more damage/damage scaling applies to her.
- Maya comes out closer to Nick, providing more protection.
- Turnabout cr. H hits low.
- Presenting evidence/paperwork is now air-okay.
- Dash speed for Nick is faster.
- Can present evidence faster in trial mode.
Nick is now more viable
- No bad evidence, except for meat (and only if he has red health to regenerate).
- Decrease start-up on slip-up and questioning (including objection).
- Maya shield doesn't give the opponent meter when they attack it, and she takes more damage/damage scaling applies to her.
- Maya comes out closer to Nick, providing more protection.
- Turnabout cr. H hits low.
- Presenting evidence/paperwork is now air-okay.
- Dash speed for Nick is faster.
- Can present evidence faster in trial mode.
Nick is now more viable
Those are ridiculous buffs that I could appreciate.
- Turnabout cr. H hits low.
Man you gotta be crazy.
I'm Blak, and I have shit taste.
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Blak The Great wrote:
Professor Yoshi wrote:
Buffs for Nick up the ass, please.
- No bad evidence, except for meat (and only if he has red health to regenerate).
- Decrease start-up on slip-up and questioning (including objection).
- Maya shield doesn't give the opponent meter when they attack it, and she takes more damage/damage scaling applies to her.
- Maya comes out closer to Nick, providing more protection.
- Turnabout cr. H hits low.
- Presenting evidence/paperwork is now air-okay.
- Dash speed for Nick is faster.
- Can present evidence faster in trial mode.
Nick is now more viable
- No bad evidence, except for meat (and only if he has red health to regenerate).
- Decrease start-up on slip-up and questioning (including objection).
- Maya shield doesn't give the opponent meter when they attack it, and she takes more damage/damage scaling applies to her.
- Maya comes out closer to Nick, providing more protection.
- Turnabout cr. H hits low.
- Presenting evidence/paperwork is now air-okay.
- Dash speed for Nick is faster.
- Can present evidence faster in trial mode.
Nick is now more viable
Those are ridiculous buffs that I could appreciate.
- Turnabout cr. H hits low.
Man you gotta be crazy.
Loads of characters have such easy ways to get in (mashable low-hitting attacks yay). Turnabout Nick pretty much has none as long as the opponent up backs all day and knows that the jumping finger hits high (unless you spend a meter to use the maya unblockable).
These are my dream buffs, but the only one we need is no bad evidence, since that's the only fundamental flaw with Phoenix. Everything else is just a matter of preference and making him better
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Professor Yoshi wrote:
Blak The Great wrote:
Professor Yoshi wrote:
Buffs for Nick up the ass, please.
- No bad evidence, except for meat (and only if he has red health to regenerate).
- Decrease start-up on slip-up and questioning (including objection).
- Maya shield doesn't give the opponent meter when they attack it, and she takes more damage/damage scaling applies to her.
- Maya comes out closer to Nick, providing more protection.
- Turnabout cr. H hits low.
- Presenting evidence/paperwork is now air-okay.
- Dash speed for Nick is faster.
- Can present evidence faster in trial mode.
Nick is now more viable
- No bad evidence, except for meat (and only if he has red health to regenerate).
- Decrease start-up on slip-up and questioning (including objection).
- Maya shield doesn't give the opponent meter when they attack it, and she takes more damage/damage scaling applies to her.
- Maya comes out closer to Nick, providing more protection.
- Turnabout cr. H hits low.
- Presenting evidence/paperwork is now air-okay.
- Dash speed for Nick is faster.
- Can present evidence faster in trial mode.
Nick is now more viable
Those are ridiculous buffs that I could appreciate.
- Turnabout cr. H hits low.
Man you gotta be crazy.
Loads of characters have such easy ways to get in (mashable low-hitting attacks yay). Turnabout Nick pretty much has none as long as the opponent up backs all day and knows that the jumping finger hits high (unless you spend a meter to use the maya unblockable).
These are my dream buffs, but the only one we need is no bad evidence, since that's the only fundamental flaw with Phoenix. Everything else is just a matter of preference and making him better
Just make Nick Impervious to damage
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Professor Yoshi wrote:
Blak The Great wrote:
Those are ridiculous buffs that I could appreciate.
- Turnabout cr. H hits low.
Man you gotta be crazy.
- Turnabout cr. H hits low.
Man you gotta be crazy.
Loads of characters have such easy ways to get in (mashable low-hitting attacks yay). Turnabout Nick pretty much has none as long as the opponent up backs all day and knows that the jumping finger hits high (unless you spend a meter to use the maya unblockable).
These are my dream buffs, but the only one we need is no bad evidence, since that's the only fundamental flaw with Phoenix. Everything else is just a matter of preference and making him better
But thing about Turnabout H hitting low is the range D:
They'd have to cut that range otherwise it'd be TOO good. Low high mixups with Turnabout Wright would be very very scary with assists.
I'm Blak, and I have shit taste.
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Blak The Great wrote:
Professor Yoshi wrote:
Blak The Great wrote:
Those are ridiculous buffs that I could appreciate.
- Turnabout cr. H hits low.
Man you gotta be crazy.
- Turnabout cr. H hits low.
Man you gotta be crazy.
Loads of characters have such easy ways to get in (mashable low-hitting attacks yay). Turnabout Nick pretty much has none as long as the opponent up backs all day and knows that the jumping finger hits high (unless you spend a meter to use the maya unblockable).
These are my dream buffs, but the only one we need is no bad evidence, since that's the only fundamental flaw with Phoenix. Everything else is just a matter of preference and making him better
But thing about Turnabout H hitting low is the range D:
They'd have to cut that range otherwise it'd be TOO good. Low high mixups with Turnabout Wright would be very very scary with assists.
True
Maybe make turnabout cr. M hit low? Point I'm making is that Nick needs a low-hitting attack, whatever it is. He's got overheads, and that's all fine and dandy. But without unblockables/throws/your opponent not knowing about the overheads, Phoenix can't get in. He needs a good low-hitting attack of some sort (outside of the very last hit of the Maya super).
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Professor Yoshi wrote:
True Maybe make turnabout cr. M hit low? Point I'm making is that Nick needs a low-hitting attack, whatever it is. He's got overheads, and that's all fine and dandy. But without unblockables/throws/your opponent not knowing about the overheads, Phoenix can't get in. He needs a good low-hitting attack of some sort (outside of the very last hit of the Maya super).
Maybe make turnabout cr. M hit low? Point I'm making is that Nick needs a low-hitting attack, whatever it is. He's got overheads, and that's all fine and dandy. But without unblockables/throws/your opponent not knowing about the overheads, Phoenix can't get in. He needs a good low-hitting attack of some sort (outside of the very last hit of the Maya super).Phoenix DOES have a low attack though. It's crouching Light but....
I'm Blak, and I have shit taste.
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Blak The Great wrote:
Professor Yoshi wrote:
True Maybe make turnabout cr. M hit low? Point I'm making is that Nick needs a low-hitting attack, whatever it is. He's got overheads, and that's all fine and dandy. But without unblockables/throws/your opponent not knowing about the overheads, Phoenix can't get in. He needs a good low-hitting attack of some sort (outside of the very last hit of the Maya super).
Maybe make turnabout cr. M hit low? Point I'm making is that Nick needs a low-hitting attack, whatever it is. He's got overheads, and that's all fine and dandy. But without unblockables/throws/your opponent not knowing about the overheads, Phoenix can't get in. He needs a good low-hitting attack of some sort (outside of the very last hit of the Maya super).Phoenix DOES have a low attack though. It's crouching Light but....
But it's kind of balls. Didn't realise it was a low-hitting attack because I never use it
And unless you've got them under insane pressure, most likely Nick's gonna get picked up before you even get close to them to use it Though I guess you could lock them down with paperwork + Maya hyper or something, but Phoenix needs something better than using a boosted damage but still very limited normal for a low. And that kinda negates the need for using cr. L anyway 
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