Wow. I was on a roll that day.

I'd like to reassure everyone that I didn't mean to offend anyone with my last post or this post, or even to make demands like "I want the admins to do this." I'm just pointing things out and whether you agree that some appropriate action should be taken is up to you.



I tend to think things have gotten out of hand when people are convinced that the joke/pet name/whatever is real. I'm not criticizing the fact that it was hyped up. I'm criticizing people going around as if that was the real official English name.



That's not what I was getting at, either. I was talking about people who say stuff like, "I expect this specific element (e.g. Phoenix era characters in GS5) from the game," or "This game doesn't have this specific element (e.g. trials in Investigations). I don't like my prospects of enjoying this game as much as I did the others." If people have such specific, narrow expectations, they're setting themselves up for disappointment. That's the lack of creativity in the right places I was talking about. There are a lot of perfectly valid, reasonable points of concern that are broader in nature like, "I hope they make good stories for Edgeworth." "I hope the characters are good." "I hope the game is enjoyable." I mean, isn't that what really matters?



All I'm saying is that I'm kind of appalled that people are saying that Investigations is such a terrible name, and even griping about the logo when it's almost the same freaking thing as the Japanese logo. Yes, it's entirely possible that Capcom would go a little further with the English name. But it seems like people were unreasonably expecting it to happen.



GK's talk page on Wikipedia shows one counterexample. I'm just saying that a lot of people are dumb or just not in a position to be well-informed.



The last part of 1 was more of an aside. Regardless, my point was that Capcom can do whatever it wants with the game. 2 was because I still see people saying, "OMG NO TRIALS!!!??? They're the best part!" It's like they enjoyed the term "trial" rather than the actual gameplay of the trial, which (as you pointed out) has been shown to be present in a very similar form in Investigations.



Actually, from what I've seen, people don't really mind seeing the Japanese name of something, at least not so much that they'd take every Japanese name and try to make it English. I've never seen anyone refer to an anime called "Crimson Face"; everyone says "Gurren Lagann". People would look at you funny if you started calling it "Crimson Face".

Besides, there are so many other options without using what's ultimately a lie. "The Edgeworth game", "The prosecutor game", "The one with the kid with the Australian accent" (that example isn't for this game), etc. I thought that's how people usually went around this "problem". In fact, that sentence wasn't even necessary.



I was just referring to the way in which it's been communicated, implying that it is an official name. To reuse the above example, no one would say "Gurren Lagann, a.k.a. Crimson Face"; such direct phrases tend to elevate "Crimson Face" to the same level of "official" as "Gurren Lagann" even if the author never meant it like that.

I understand that my example doesn't carry with it the media hype, but honestly, isn't the fansite supposed to be the place that communicates the facts unambiguously?

I'm not sure what you mean by "it happens every time."



See, this is exactly the madness I was talking about!

I don't know if I'm the right person to get an unbiased opinion from, but "The Edgeworth game" sounds really lame. It has about as much attention grabbing potential as "That laser-sword trilogy" for Star Wars.

But back on topic.

Crimson Face may be really lame for the 'Gurren' saga. But that's not a really appropriate metaphor to begin with, because I'm assuming Crimson face is a literal translation. If we took that angle we'd have to call AAI "Turnaround Prosecutor" which is just as much gibberish if nor more so then Crimson Face. But Ace Attorney is unique amongst the sea of produce shipped from Japan. It has a proper localization as opposed to the portware level you're used to seeing from titles. The Localization aims to, at the basic level, disguise the fact that it's from Japan; and Capcom's localization department has done a smashing job of that. Since it's being treated like it's a local, and not an import, product, it consequently makes sense that it would be given a local, and not an import, place holder title.

But whatever, you can call it Gyaktuen Kenji, Miles Edgeworth: Ace Attorney Investigations, Perfect Prosecutor, Edgy's Magical Pogostick Adventure; I don't care. Its whatever you make of it. In the long run, this discussion is silly to have now, considering we're likely going to be hit with all the Edgeworth news we can hold a candle to around noon tomorrow.



Would you rather people said something like this...



It takes too much effort, and no one cares about being that politically correct in what is, for all intents and purposes casual conversation. If people want to bring up that it's a place holder title, then they do. But it's not high enough on people's minds to bring up every time the place holder title is used.

With terms to, 'it happens every time', I remember when Kingdom Hearts 2 was coming out, Roxas was called BHK all across the web. Waddaya know, the interwebs have adapted and people call that Sora clone Roxas. Give it till this weekend. Everyone will have forgotten "Perfect Prosecutor".

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For all we know, Ace Attorney Investigations could be (however unlikely) a working name for the game, like how Vista's codename was Longhorn. Although, this probably isn't the case given how close it is to the Japanese release date.

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Trailer!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.jeuxactu.com/article-37037-c ... ident.html

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The trailer was awesome! Thanks, JapaneseGIRL!

Man, I can't wait... "Kay Faraday" sounds like a good name for Mikumo.

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Sweet! Trailer! Thanks so much!

My thoughts:
1. Eh... I don't really like the name "Kay Faraday". Me and electricity have a bad history =\
2. Hee hee, Edgy's gonna get shot ^_^
3. I wanted to find out Dennis' real name =[
4. Okay, the logo is a lot better than it first looked (that slight tilt makes a HUGE difference!)

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They said earlier they wanted to enforce the "Ace Attorney" as name for the series as a whole, so it makes sense. Plus, it looks like it'll be Miles Edgeworth: Ace Attorney Investigations, which is a logical name and suits me fine.

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Is there the special meaning in "Faraday"?
I only know Faraday who is famous for physics.

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It could be a play on 'Far away', Or maybe 'For a day', but I'm as much confused as you are.

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Thank you.

No important meaning...?
一条(Ichijou) doesn't have the important meaning...

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Every time a new game is about to come out, people spend months speculating ahead of time what they want to see, what they think people should be named, what should the subtitle be, how are they going to translate certain cultural jokes, etc. Then it comes out and all the speculation is proven wrong (except in a few cases) and there is a great deal of "I liked my idea better!" and "I don't think that name fits!" and gnashing of teeth and outrage. And then a week later everyone gets over it and they start speculating about the next game.

When "Apollo Justice" was leaked people flipped the fuck out. We still giggle about his name from time to time but everyone's used to it now. In the same way, some people are surprised and disappointed with "Ace Attorney Investigations," but the game is coming out in a month and by then I'm sure everyone will be used to it, too.

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Hmm, well, doesn't 一条 mean "a string" or "a thread"?

http://www.df.lth.se/cgi-bin/j-e/sjis/d ... F0&WC=none

If that's true, then wouldn't her name mean "a wisp of beautiful clouds" in Japanese?
Like "一条の美雲"?

Its coming to the US This Winter!

Ace Attorney Investigations: Miles Edgeworth, an investigation-heavy Nintendo DS title first released in Japan, will be coming to the U.S. this winter.

In Investigations, the game is more about the crime scene and less about the courtroom. Players will take on the role of prosecutor Miles Edgeworth as he investigates crime scenes in his search for the truth.

Players will control Edgeworth on the crime scene searching for contradictions. They will also identify clues and question material witnesses using collected information, gathered evidence, and "logic".

The game includes several episodes, kicking off with a murder in Edgeworth's office.

In the first episode, an argument in Edgeworth's office results in a mysterious murder. Edgeworth, coming back from a one-month business trip, enters his office and encounters the body of the man who was shot. He is then threatened by someone who is presumed to be the suspect with a gun from behind.

In the second episode, Edgeworth wakes up after being knocked out due to an air pocket accident inside a luxury airliner flying through turbulence. Shaken by the flashback of nightmarish past memories, he opens the onboard elevator's door, only to find a male corpse. At this very moment a cabin attendant witnesses the scene and Edgeworth is made a suspect of murder!

Capcom says the Teen-rated Ace Attorney Investigations: Miles Edgeworth will include more than 15 hours of gameplay.




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But the big media WAS using Perfect Prosecutor in this case, and not because of Court-Records. I saw it in Game Informer, GameFAQs adopted it, Kotaku was using it, etc. For whatever reason, that name was adopted by the online & print gaming media. Sure, lots of the time they stick with the Japanese name until an official title comes out, but this time they didn't.

I like Ace Attorney Investigations better just because branding = good for sales, and more sales = good for the franchise. I don't really care what they call it. (The "Ace" moniker to begin with was never my favorite -- my boyfriend always calls them the Pet Detective games just because of the similarity to Ace Ventura.)

And as for coming up with silly names, that was because we were bored and had no new info, not because we were taking them seriously. (Though I'm still kind of pleased people liked Dennis, since that was me. )

And KAY FARADAY sounds awesome. Maybe we'll see something in game with a middle initial of G for her just to make the Faraday Cage pun complete.

EDIT:

Oh good grief, Capcom, could you pile on the emo any more. On second thought, don't answer that. Also, I want to ride on an airplane with an elevator.

Well the AA series does supposedly take place in THE FUTURE! But....yeah I don't think an elevator is necessary since planes aren't usually 2 floors or more (cuz that would most likely lead to a crash). On the other hand.....who the fuck cares, its just a game.


Also hq pic of the logo

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The first time "Perfect Prosecutor" appeared was right before the game was announced in Famitsu for the first time, when the information was leaked by a website that is apparently known for leaking Famitsu stuff...? It might have been a blog, I don't remember, but whoever it was had already popped the name on there.

When I read the leak I thought it was a total fake, but then Famitsu came out the next day and there it was! Of course, Famitsu never used "PP" so I don't know exactly who coined it or why the leak included it, but that little blurb made the rounds and that's why it was adopted so quickly and on so many sites.

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Mikumo's middle initial should be G. Also, "Kay" is one letter away from "Key"... that could have something to do with it. We also might get something electronics-related with her briefcase...? (And her rival will be named Cathy Coulomb)

Also, Edgy gets to rid on an airplane with an elevator. He is officially too rich.


Btw, how many hours were the GS games labelled? (As a comparison to GK's 15?)

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I'm so bloody fickle. I'm actually really starting hate "Ace Attorney Investigations" a lot less haha. But that logo is poo, I prefer RandomJibberish's versions LOL

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There are/will be a bunch of double-decker-cabin planes -- 747s, the new Airbus. The *rest* of the plane design that we've seen isn't actually unreasonable, although most of the airlines talk about luxury lines and then end up throwing out the bars and cramming in more econoseats.

But the elevator is just gratuitous fanservice. The whole game is, really, but I'm so not arguing.

And thanks, Croik, for pointing out that it was one of the Famitsu leaksites that started the PP thing. I just saw the downstream effect.

Edgeworth gets knocked out? NICE.

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Seeing the logo on something bigger and clearer makes me hate it less. I can't wait to see all the localizations.

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AA:I is being featured in the next issue of Nintendo Power!

Oooh, really? *will have to pick up a copy*

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HATE the name.

LOVE the logo

And the game looks awsome.

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As will I. Is that the May issue (has not been keeping up with Nintendo Power at all lately).

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I wonder if it'll be in ONM...

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No, the June issue. I think it's out on the 10th. Actually there are some sample pages on its official website.

Hopefully and probably will.

Wooster:

1. There's a distinction between discussion between two fans and an announcement. In the former, I don't see how it's not perfectly fine to say "That laser-sword trilogy" if you happen to have forgotten the name somehow. If you really don't want to say that, there are so many other things to call it without giving a false name in such a way that the other person might actually believe it's a real name. In the latter case, I don't see why "Gyakuten Kenji" is such a bad thing to say. I mean, the admins do use it for the most part, and the abbreviation "GK" was used liberally as well. It's not like the problem can't be solved; it already has been solved.

2. I'm not talking about "Crimson Face" sounding lame at all. Actually, how does the fact that the series is localized justify presenting a false name like a real name?

3. Your interpretation of my comments is getting rather ridiculous. It just seemed to me that fans had already come up with so many other, true ways to name the game and its characters, e.g. "Wolfie", "Blonde Gypsy Dude", the abbreviation GK, etc. But even ignoring that, I was talking more about the use of "Perfect Prosecutor" in the info sticky and the board description. If I had no idea what GK was and read those two things, I would be convinced that that was the official English name. You convinced SBAllen.

4. I don't know about the BHK thing. I don't even know what that stands for, so I don't know how it's relevant to this (not saying it isn't).

Actually, I wasn't really bothered at all about the Perfect Prosecutor thing until I started seeing titles like "Perfect Prosecutor Trailer" on YouTube. At some point we have to wonder whether the pet name has gone too far and people have been deceived into thinking it's the actual official English name.



I never saw a widespread fan name for Housuke Odoroki or GS2 or GS3. I saw a lot of "Case Closed" but I don't recall it getting into places that are generally supposed to get the name right.



In most other cases in which I saw the media misrepresenting something, a medium in support of that thing tends to emphasize the facts.

Look, I'm not saying that Court Records is a bad fansite or that they did an terrible thing by propogating the PP myth, but right now the reasons to have done so seem rather lacking and counterproductive to me.



I'm starting to think Famitsu is a little too powerful at this point.

Perhaps you are not familar with Javado Beckett?

Anyway, I think this argument needs to go to bed. The name was "leaked" from what at the time seemed to be a reliable source, and everyone with a stake in the game started using it. Now we have the official name, everyone has been alerted, and "Perfect Prosecutor" will disappear - no harm, no foul.

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OMG BAHAH.

But I agree with Croik.

No one ever said it was the real name.
CR didn't "deceive" anyone.
It was a guess, a rather good guess in my opinion.
But have they used the name since?
Naw.

Looking back on the other speculations, it seems so silly XD

Also, I like the logo.

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Croik:
Apparently it wasn't widespread enough because my experiences with Perfect Prosecutor are mostly from YouTube and GameFAQs.



Well, of course no one intentionally deceived anyone. That wasn't my point.

I just think that there was a line, that it was crossed, and that it is very likely to be crossed again. Besides, I wasn't as angry at the admins as I might have portrayed myself to be. My beef was mostly with people who probably got caught up with a name and then decided they hated the real name. This isn't just a matter of "my idea was better"; it was expecting something that wasn't really supposed to happen, and then hating the result. All before they ever played the game.

Sweet! Can't wait to get the next issue!

Anyway, I love the trailer! I'll admit, I was a little disappointed with the name Ace Attorney Investigations at first, but now it's growing on me. Though it was never the real name, I would have preferred Perfect Prosecutor, but I like AAI too.

Also, do you know what I love best about the new trailer? The music. The music is awesome. The song played towards the end, could that be Cornered 2009? I'm squeeing at the thought...

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"Kay Faraday"?
Ok. I don't care about name origin...I will always call her as Key for a Day ^^
Who knows...Maybe it is true...

And...Now that I have had time to use to it...
AAI doesn't sound so bad.
Actually...Pretty cool.
Yeah! PP was OK too, but...I kinda like them as much.

Iiih!! So waiting for this!
I REALLY hope that it gets here for christmas! ^_^

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