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Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:49 am

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It wouldn't be the first story where Holmes turns out not to be the great detective of the stories. In the long history of Holmesian theories, there's the one that Moriarty is nothing but Holmes' imagination, there's the other where Watson made up all the stories with Moriarty and the Reichenbach Falls to cover-up for Holmes who had gone off to a detox clinic, the one where Holmes is nothing but a straw man for Watson's deductions, etc, etc.

I wonder if Mycroft will appear too...

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Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:54 am

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Ash wrote:

It wouldn't be the first story where Holmes turns out not to be the great detective of the stories. In the long history of Holmesian theories, there's the one that Moriarty is nothing but Holmes' imagination, there's the other where Watson made up all the stories with Moriarty and the Reichenbach Falls to cover-up for Holmes who had gone off to a detox clinic, the one where Holmes is nothing but a straw man for Watson's deductions, etc, etc.

I wonder if Mycroft will appear too...

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Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:39 am

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I don't think it'd be wise to make Sherlock a villain, but he would make a damn good witness for the prosecution. The final joint deduction battle could take place in court instead.

I guess his brother could make it in, but only as a witness. The comedy potential overrides everything else.

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Re: (Full scans up) Dai Gyakuten Saiban features Sherlock Ho

Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:46 am

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Wu, wait. Mycroft? What was I thinking? It's obvious that Toby has a muuuch bigger chance of appearing, considering Takumi is writing.

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Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:48 am

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Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:

I don't think it'd be wise to make Sherlock a villain, but he would make a damn good witness for the prosecution. The final joint deduction battle could take place in court instead.

I guess his brother could make it in, but only as a witness. The comedy potential overrides everything else.

I was actually referring to Myrcroft as a villain, witness or victim. He's had some kind of minor rivalry going on with Holmes (as far as my limited knowledge is) perhaps he would orchestrate a murder as a challenge for Holmes. Hell if they want to play up Holmes' crazy side he might not even be mad about it, enjoying the challenge.

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Re: (Full scans up) Dai Gyakuten Saiban features Sherlock Ho

Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:02 am

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Pierre wrote:

He's had some kind of minor rivalry going on with Holmes (as far as my limited knowledge is) perhaps he would orchestrate a murder as a challenge for Holmes. Hell if they want to play up Holmes' crazy side he might not even be mad about it, enjoying the challenge.

With Iris Watson, I don't know how close Takumi will stay to 'canon', but in the original stories, the sibling rivalry thing was really, really small. Maybe just the scene of out-deducing each other at the Diogenes Club. Definitely nothing even close to how it's done in Sherlock. In fact, it's quite obvious both have a lot of respect for each other's abilities and work in the original canon.

But with DGS, who knows. Maybe Sherlock has an older sister instead of a brother. Or maybe a little sister.

Ah...

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Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:13 am

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Ash wrote:

Wu, wait. Mycroft? What was I thinking? It's obvious that Toby has a muuuch bigger chance of appearing, considering Takumi is writing.

Speaking of dogs named Toby, I was reminded of that one puppet show... let's see, Punch and Judy, was it?

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Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:

I don't think it'd be wise to make Sherlock a villain, but he would make a damn good witness for the prosecution. The final joint deduction battle could take place in court instead.

I guess his brother could make it in, but only as a witness. The comedy potential overrides everything else.

I was actually referring to Myrcroft as a villain, witness or victim. He's had some kind of minor rivalry going on with Holmes (as far as my limited knowledge is) perhaps he would orchestrate a murder as a challenge for Holmes. Hell if they want to play up Holmes' crazy side he might not even be mad about it, enjoying the challenge.

I was replying to Thane's post. I knew who you were referring to. Although I haven't read any Holmes tale with Mycroft in it, I've heard that their rivalry is on a more comedic level - as in, he likes spouting hypotheses without the evidence and overlooking crucial details. Perhaps his character would be integrated into Sherlock in this game?

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Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:30 am

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Mycroft is indeed closer to the Sherlock described in DGS: Mycroft can go a lot further/deeper with his deductions than his little brother, but he doesn't bother with looking for confirmation of his deductions (which is why Mycroft isn't fit to be a consulting detective). But give him all information available, and Mycroft can do much more than Sherlock will ever be able to do. Sherlock is the less brainy, but much more practical version of his big brother.

Maybe DGS Sherlock is in fact Mycroft, and Iris is Sherlock... or something like that? =_=

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Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:03 am

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No wonder Takumi said in advance that he's "not very good with history". It was all part of his diabolical plan to turn Sherlock Holmes into an 8-year-old little girl and his brother into a great detective. Not to mention, he even brings this random Japanese dude over to London to teach Holmes in the ways of baritsu.

Ash, what if you really are turning psychic? :D

Relatively more seriously, I really want this game to include some sort of action minigame with swordfighting / gunslinging. It could even be relevant to the plot of the game... or not, but I know I'd replay it.

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Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:42 pm

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Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:

Relatively more seriously, I really want this game to include some sort of action minigame with swordfighting / gunslinging. It could even be relevant to the plot of the game... or not, but I know I'd replay it.

Like this?

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Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:24 pm

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Yes, sort of like that... but you know that if Ryuu's around, then Sherlock should be too, yeah? :P

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Tue Sep 16, 2014 6:43 am

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Sooooo, like this? This was a miraculous fight by the way: Ryuunosuke was losing most of the time, but with a kill in the very last second managed to force the fight into a sudden death match, which he then won because of a counter attack.

And as an extra...

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Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:56 am

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A slightly longer version of the interview was put on the Famitsuu site. New 'reveals' include the confession that both Takumi and Kojima have never been to London ("I want to go for research...", "Okay, we'll go to the Kobe Foreign Residences next time") and that Takumi thinks it's difficult coming up with names for the English characters.

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Wed Sep 17, 2014 8:43 am

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Aw, shucks. They've confirmed my impressions of Sherlock - namely that he acts a little more like his older bro than his original character does. He jumps to conclusions, thinking he's got everything figured out. Then, Ryuu points out something off, to which he laughs (nervously) and says he was just testing him.

I knew we had a manzai duo in the works, and it's beautiful.

The original Sherlock Holmes was indeed a very intelligent man who could craft his own tools for any occasion. Here, he's become a gadget geek. I wouldn't be surprised if he pulls off an Inspector Gadget act at some point. And to think that Iris puts up with him all the time.

And speaking of Iris, she happens to be the result of Takumi and Kojima's fancies gone wild, and then they stuck with it.

It's too bad Susato's character is still unsettled, other than the Yamato Nadeshiko image, and her relationship with Ryuu seems strictly professional... or at least, that's how I guess it will be for now.

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Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:00 am

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Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:

The original Sherlock Holmes was indeed a very intelligent man who could craft his own tools for any occasion. Here, he's become a gadget geek. I wouldn't be surprised if he pulls off an Inspector Gadget act at some point. And to think that Iris puts up with him all the time.

Wow, if that happens to be the case, I fully expect the localization team to put a "Go Go Sherlock" in the dialog somewhere, if only in jest.

Kinda sucks about him looking to be more Mycroft, though. I was looking forward to a story with a relatively accurate portrayal of Holmes' character, mostly because I don't know it all that well (most of what I know is from the Robert Downey Jr. movies).

On the other hand, I can imagine him speaking in the voice of Stephen Fry, which really isn't a bad thing. :redd:

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Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:28 am

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I just had a thought - if this is translated/localised, anyone think they could use the title of Dai Gyakuten Saiban (something like The Great Ace Attorney) - to refer to the Sherlock Holmes character?
Or perhaps one case could be called The Greatest Turnabout. If the game is set in 1912 (?) Holmes might be quite old by then.

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Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:35 am

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Pierre wrote:

Ash wrote:

It wouldn't be the first story where Holmes turns out not to be the great detective of the stories. In the long history of Holmesian theories, there's the one that Moriarty is nothing but Holmes' imagination, there's the other where Watson made up all the stories with Moriarty and the Reichenbach Falls to cover-up for Holmes who had gone off to a detox clinic, the one where Holmes is nothing but a straw man for Watson's deductions, etc, etc.

I wonder if Mycroft will appear too...

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Thu Sep 18, 2014 5:24 pm

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What phrase do you think Sherlock will use for his big counter reactions?

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Thu Sep 18, 2014 6:37 pm

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What phrase do you think Sherlock will use for his big counter reactions?

If they are going to be original then "Laughable!" if they want to riff on Holmes' catchphrase then "Elementary!" Problem is "Elementary" doesn't grammatically fit every scenario.

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Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:24 am

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初歩的だよ (shohoteki da yo) is kinda long for an interjection.

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Fri Sep 19, 2014 7:16 pm

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It could be as simple as そうだ！ but localized to something quirky like "Aha!"

...And now I want to know who will be voicing Sherlock Holmes if this game is localized.

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Sat Sep 20, 2014 1:07 am

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Benedict Cumberbatch, for the win! (I can dream, can't I?)

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Sat Sep 20, 2014 11:00 am

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TheDoctor wrote:

Benedict Cumberbatch, for the win! (I can dream, can't I?)

I haven't heard his voice, but I doubt his fits the DGS version of Sherlock.

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Sat Sep 20, 2014 6:23 pm

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TheDoctor wrote:

Benedict Cumberbatch, for the win! (I can dream, can't I?)

That would be amazing :)
The Sherlock in this game seems older than Benedict though.

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Sat Sep 20, 2014 6:25 pm

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TheDoctor wrote:

Benedict Cumberbatch, for the win! (I can dream, can't I?)

That would be amazing :)
The Sherlock in this game seems older than Benedict though.

?
Sherlock here seems like a young man. I would say early twenty's. Or am I just imagining it?

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Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:23 am

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I guess I think he's older because of his hair (it looks grey-ish to me)..?

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Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:38 am

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I guess I think he's older because of his hair (it looks grey-ish to me)..?

I think it's more a case of "Englishmen are blond" by the Japanese. Or it could be a case of "he's not japanese, therefore he must be blond". That's how it went with Klavier and Gavin, both Americans, I believe?

Oh, and to me, at least, it doesn't look grey in the least. Blond, I'd say. Like those two I mentioned.

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Sun Sep 21, 2014 10:05 am

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The Garyuus are Japanese in the original version. They are also not the only ones with blonde hair (Regina, Adrian).

While Holmes is traditionally depicted with black hair (including the original illustrations in Strand Magazine), I don't think the original stories ever mentioned his hair color. I was actually pleasantly surprised with his hair color in DGS.

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Sun Sep 21, 2014 10:23 am

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Ash wrote:

The Garyuus are Japanese in the original version. They are also not the only ones with blonde hair (Regina, Adrian).

That, I didn't know. It just so happens that anytime I, at least, see blonde hair in a Japanese something he's always either a foreigner or someone thinks he is.

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Sun Sep 21, 2014 1:08 pm

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Klavier thinks he's German, so you aren't far off. ;)

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Sun Sep 21, 2014 4:32 pm

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Klavier thinks he's German, so you aren't far off. ;)

Isn't that just from how they handled it in localization? Similar to Franziska?

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Franziska is from Germany, while Klavier might very well be just playing it with the accent to be cool.

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Sun Sep 21, 2014 5:39 pm

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What was he called in the Japanese version? Klavier means "piano" in German :D I wonder how they dealt with the way he spoke in the German version (if there was one) of AJ?

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Sun Sep 21, 2014 5:47 pm

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Klavier is Kyouya in Japanese (a normal Japanese name).

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Sun Sep 21, 2014 6:20 pm

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Ah OK, thanks :)

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grim_tales wrote:

Klavier means "piano" in German :D I wonder how they dealt with the way he spoke in the German version (if there was one) of AJ?

He pretty much just speaks standard German (although the slightly awkward "Achtung Baby!" is still there).