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I think they're being VERY cautious if thats the case. I just cant see an AA game with the same rating as 999/Virtue's Last Reward which has swearing by the truckload, adult humour, violence and sex references.
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Wow, this rating shook me up. I don't care whether a game is considered "mature" or not. (I'm 18, but I almost never play M rated games.) I care more about what's actually in there. I can handle more violence... but I detest sexual content. I'm really looking forward to playing it, but if the M rating scares me. It could have content in there I'm not comfortable with. If someone plays the Japanese version once it comes out, please explain what made it get a higher rating.



http://www.gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=207849

It's only gotten a PG-rating in Australia, same as the others.

Maybe USA reviewers don't like the bombing?


hmm true maybe it could be due to the whole boston bombing scare


I bet this has something to do with it. It happened so recently that I'm sure it will be upsetting to some who play it, so my guess is they didn't want a lot of younger people who could have a harder time handling things seeing it. And that first cutscene was edited wonderfully and rather than in previous games where you would just see an image of an explosion this has the power and ominous tone of a tv series or movie; it looked like something out of Miami Vice or Law & Order. And a lot of times TV shows that feature similar events to recent tragedies come with more warnings so that might be what's going on here.
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I bet this has something to do with it. It happened so recently that I'm sure it will be upsetting to some who play it, so my guess is they didn't want a lot of younger people who could have a harder time handling things seeing it. And that first cutscene was edited wonderfully; it looked like something out of Miami Vice or Law & Order. And a lot of times TV shows that feature similar events to recent tragedies come with more warnings so that might be what's going on here.


Sucks though that a tragic event like that can effect a game
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I bet this has something to do with it. It happened so recently that I'm sure it will be upsetting to some who play it, so my guess is they didn't want a lot of younger people who could have a harder time handling things seeing it. And that first cutscene was edited wonderfully; it looked like something out of Miami Vice or Law & Order. And a lot of times TV shows that feature similar events to recent tragedies come with more warnings so that might be what's going on here.


Sucks though that a tragic event like that can effect a game



To cite an even more extreme case, a game called Zettai Zetsumei Toshi 4: Summer Memories was planned to be released on March 10, 2011 (ONE day before the 2011 Earthquake/Tsunami in Japan). The Zettai Zetsumei games' gameplay involves a disaster in which the characters need to escape from a destroyed city (in the case of 4, due to an earthquake) while avoiding things like crumbling buildings, fires, flooding etc. With what happened on March 11, the entire game was canceled.
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I bet this has something to do with it. It happened so recently that I'm sure it will be upsetting to some who play it, so my guess is they didn't want a lot of younger people who could have a harder time handling things seeing it. And that first cutscene was edited wonderfully; it looked like something out of Miami Vice or Law & Order. And a lot of times TV shows that feature similar events to recent tragedies come with more warnings so that might be what's going on here.


Sucks though that a tragic event like that can effect a game



To cite an even more extreme case, a game called Zettai Zetsumei Toshi 4: Summer Memories was planned to be released on March 10, 2011 (ONE day before the 2011 Earthquake/Tsunami in Japan). The Zettai Zetsumei games' gameplay involves a disaster in which the characters need to escape from a destroyed city (in the case of 4, due to an earthquake) while avoiding things like crumbling buildings, fires, flooding etc. With what happened on March 11, the entire game was canceled.


Man, that's ironic and surprising at the same time. :lana:
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how does the CERO (B-C) rating work?


CERO is Japan's videogame rating system. B and C are two levels of said system, with B being 12+ and C being 15+. Up to this point, the Gyakuten series has had all but GS4 fall under the B rating, but this time GS5 got a C. Incredibly, GS4 got an A rating (all ages)...


12+ and 15+ are the ages?

No, What was said is that up to this point every game but GS4 got the B rating which was 12+, with the fourth game getting the lower A rating which is for all ages. The reference is 15+ was regarding the still to be released fifth game which got the C rating, the highest rating that the series has gotten in Japan to this point.
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12+ and 15+ are the ages?

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No, What was said is that up to this point every game but GS4 got the B rating which was 12+, with the fourth game getting the lower A rating which is for all ages. The reference is 15+ was regarding the still to be released fifth game which got the C rating, the highest rating that the series has gotten in Japan to this point.


you think it was right that they gave it a C rating?
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you think it was right that they gave it a C rating?


Well consider this. Video games that have been rated M here are usually rated C in Japan. Zero Escape, Metal Gear, etc. In the U.S., we stupidly don't have a 15+ rating, so they seem to always give it the highest rating.

In Japan they rated the Metal Gear Solid: Digital Graphic Novel on PSP as "B." They rated it "M" in the U.S. :yuusaku:

It's a freaking comic book! Not GTA for crying out loud. :zenitora:
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Well consider this. Video games that have been rated M here are usually rated C in Japan. Zero Escape, Metal Gear, etc. In the U.S., we stupidly don't have a 15+ rating, so they seem to always give it the highest rating.

In Japan they rated the Metal Gear Solid: Digital Graphic Novel on PSP as "B." They rated it "M" in the U.S. :yuusaku:

It's a freaking comic book! Not GTA for crying out loud. :zenitora:


well atleast we dont have the problems Australia has with there rating system :yogi:
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It looks like they've fixed the description in the Blackquill video from the Case 3 stuff to introducing the new prosecutor.
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It looks like they've fixed the description in the Blackquill video from the Case 3 stuff to introducing the new prosecutor.


Which video?
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It looks like they've fixed the description in the Blackquill video from the Case 3 stuff to introducing the new prosecutor.


Which video?


Since I can't post attachments yet, look at page 1 in this thread. It's the second URL. The video is on both Capcom USA and Capcom Europe's channel.
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It looks like they've fixed the description in the Blackquill video from the Case 3 stuff to introducing the new prosecutor.


Which video?


Since I can't post attachments yet, look at page 1 in this thread. It's the second URL. The video is on both Capcom USA and Capcom Europe's channel.


You dont know how to post attachments its easy just use [url][/url] and okie ill look
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Since I can't post attachments yet, look at page 1 in this thread. It's the second URL. The video is on both Capcom USA and Capcom Europe's channel.[/quote]

You dont know how to post attachments its easy just use [url][/url] and okie ill look[/quote]

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Since I can't post attachments yet, look at page 1 in this thread. It's the second URL. The video is on both Capcom USA and Capcom Europe's channel.


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It's because I'm a Desk Jockey so I just got the ability to start new topics.

Dont you get the ability the moment you sign up for the forums? :grey:
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Dont you get the ability the moment you sign up for the forums? :grey:[/quote]

No, I can see this at the bottom of the web page. Oh well, just check out the vid
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You dont know how to post attachments its easy just use [url][/url] and okie ill look


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It's because I'm a Desk Jockey so I just got the ability to start new topics.

Dont you get the ability the moment you sign up for the forums? :grey:


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No, I can see this at the bottom of the web page. Oh well, just check out the vid


Odd i guess i didnt notice it but oh well :jake: ill check it out now
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Nobody is allowed to make attachments in this forum, partly because of the amount of space and bandwidth that'd be required. Host files elsewhere and link or embed them here.

URL tags are unrestricted AFAIK. I don't know if new users are restricted on using img or not, but that'd only be for new users if it's restricted at all.

By the way fourtrass, I don't know how you keep breaking quotes, but please stop doing that. It makes it harder to see what's new.
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Nobody is allowed to make attachments in this forum, partly because of the amount of space and bandwidth that'd be required. Host files elsewhere and link or embed them here.

URL tags are unrestricted AFAIK. I don't know if new users are restricted on using img or not, but that'd only be for new users if it's restricted at all.

By the way fourtrass, I don't know how you keep breaking quotes, but please stop doing that. It makes it harder to see what's new.


What do you mean? I've been simply highlighting the quotes and erasing. Regardless of what you are saying, I apologize.
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Nobody is allowed to make attachments in this forum, partly because of the amount of space and bandwidth that'd be required. Host files elsewhere and link or embed them here.

URL tags are unrestricted AFAIK. I don't know if new users are restricted on using img or not, but that'd only be for new users if it's restricted at all.

By the way fourtrass, I don't know how you keep breaking quotes, but please stop doing that. It makes it harder to see what's new.


What do you mean? I've been simply highlighting the quotes and erasing. Regardless of what you are saying, I apologize.


sometimes you dont notice you dont put [quote] on some of the quote's you leave so i fix them for you :minuki:
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On the subject of the ESRB, I actually emailed them and asked why there's no 15+ rating. They basically gave me a bullshit response. :yuusaku:
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The ESRB rating system was devised in 1994 after consulting a wide range of child development and academic experts, analyzing other rating systems and conducting nationwide research with parents. Its goal is to give consumers, particularly parents, guidance about content, age-appropriateness and interactive elements associated with video games and apps so they can make informed decisions about their suitability for their children and family. We conduct regular research to ensure our ratings are effectively meeting the needs of those that use them. Our latest research, conducted in June 2012, found that 88% of parents with children who play video games find the ESRB rating system to be either “very helpful” or “somewhat helpful” in choosing games for their children.

Our rating system is designed to ensure that products are evaluated as objectively, reliably and consistently as possible; however, it is inevitable that some will occasionally disagree. After all, every individual has their own unique sense about what may or may not be appropriate. While there are currently no plans to add a new Rating Category as you have suggested, ESRB remains committed to periodically enhancing and improving the rating system. To that end your comments are valuable and appreciated, and will be taken into consideration.

Thank you again for reaching out with your thoughts.


"Objectively, reliably, and consistently." That's a laugh.
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On the subject of the ESRB, I actually emailed them and asked why there's no 15+ rating. They basically gave me a bullshit response. :yuusaku:
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The ESRB rating system was devised in 1994 after consulting a wide range of child development and academic experts, analyzing other rating systems and conducting nationwide research with parents. Its goal is to give consumers, particularly parents, guidance about content, age-appropriateness and interactive elements associated with video games and apps so they can make informed decisions about their suitability for their children and family. We conduct regular research to ensure our ratings are effectively meeting the needs of those that use them. Our latest research, conducted in June 2012, found that 88% of parents with children who play video games find the ESRB rating system to be either “very helpful” or “somewhat helpful” in choosing games for their children.

Our rating system is designed to ensure that products are evaluated as objectively, reliably and consistently as possible; however, it is inevitable that some will occasionally disagree. After all, every individual has their own unique sense about what may or may not be appropriate. While there are currently no plans to add a new Rating Category as you have suggested, ESRB remains committed to periodically enhancing and improving the rating system. To that end your comments are valuable and appreciated, and will be taken into consideration.

Thank you again for reaching out with your thoughts.


"Objectively, reliably, and consistently." That's a laugh.

That didnt even answer your question it was like a automated copy and paste :keiko: :keiko:
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That didnt even answer your question it was like a automated copy and paste :keiko: :keiko:


I'd like to see how they would respond to someone with the exact same question.
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That didnt even answer your question it was like a automated copy and paste :keiko: :keiko:


I'd like to see how they would respond to someone with the exact same question.


want me to try it :hotti:
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Sure, here's the link where you submit a question. Make sure it's professionally done (i.e. proper spelling, grammar, and capitalization). Remember, we want them to take us seriously. :jake:
https://www.esrb.org/about/contact.jsp

Speaking of which, I saw this interesting article about the "T" rating of Arkham City vs. the "M" rating of the Halo remake. Their reasons behind this are incredibly stupid, especially when other "T" games like Uncharted and GoldenEye contain dynamic blood and even stronger content than Halo.
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Sure, here's the link where you submit a question. Make sure it's professionally done (i.e. proper spelling, grammar, and capitalization). Remember, we want them to take us seriously. :jake:
https://www.esrb.org/about/contact.jsp

Speaking of which, I saw this interesting article about the "T" rating of Arkham City vs. the "M" rating of the Halo remake. Their reasons behind this are incredibly stupid, especially when other "T" games like Uncharted and GoldenEye contain dynamic blood and even stronger content than Halo.
http://kotaku.com/5901423/two-video-gam ... difference


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That sounds good. Probably even more to the point than I was. You'll have to wait a few days for their response, if they even decide to answer it. Can't wait to see what bullshit reasons they give you. :uramidn:
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That sounds good. Probably even more to the point than I was. You'll have to wait a few days for their response, if they even decide to answer it. Can't wait to see what bullshit reasons they give you. :uramidn:


I try :sassy: im sure they will give me a big old bullshit reason :hotti:
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I try :sassy: im sure they will give me a big old bullshit reason :hotti:


I say it a lot, but it boggles me how we're the only country that doesn't have this rating.

Their response almost remind me of the time I emailed Nintendo on the subject of emulators. I wish I'd kept that email, but I deleted it.
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I say it a lot, but it boggles me how we're the only country that doesn't have this rating.

Their response almost remind me of the time I emailed Nintendo on the subject of emulators. I wish I'd kept that email, but I deleted it.


We should be grateful though that our rating system isn't like Australia :godot:
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It really depends. Most "mature" games are rated 15+. If they're banned or heavily censored, I don't see why they can't be imported. I think they recently introduced an 18+ rating though.
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It really depends. Most "mature" games are rated 15+. If they're banned or heavily censored, I don't see why they can't be imported. I think they recently introduced an 18+ rating though.


our rating system is just weird it goes from E+10,E,T,M
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It doesn't help that stupid old politicians and adults try to blame video games for all of society's problems. They simply don't understand, or are only trying to gain more votes.

I always say that video games are the rock music of our generation. Every single generation of youth has something that they enjoy, but adults don't understand or hate. First it was films, then television, the rock music, then rap music, then computers. Now it's video games. And now we have all this Justin Carter nonsense.
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It doesn't help that stupid old politicians and adults try to blame video games for all of society's problems. They simply don't understand, or are only trying to gain more votes.

I always say that video games are the rock music of our generation. Every single generation of youth has something that they enjoy, but adults don't understand or hate. First it was films, then television, the rock music, then rap music, then computers. Now it's video games. And now we have all this Justin Carter nonsense.


honestly you rarely here about video games being the cause of violence or people who commit crimes use it a a excuse :yuusaku: shit look at justin Beiber he made girls cut themselves just because he smoked weed like i swear the new generation is consistenly made of complete and utter Imbeciles :chinami: :yuusaku: :luke-side: :maggey-sad:
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Yeah... no.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_controversies
Even though researchers have PROVED time and time again that there's no harmful effects with violent video games, nothing ever changes.
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People are stupid. That's just a fact of life. I was at the zoo the other day, and I couldn't believe just how idiotic some people were with their stupid comments. I guess when you're in a larger crowd (i.e. populations) the ratio of stupid people increases. Depending on how you define stupid, that is.

With Bieber, I have no idea how he could have ever become popular. He's a no-talent hack that makes millions of dollars singing shitty pop songs. In fact, I think his popularity is slowly waning; and he's been trying to show his "bad" side recently in order to gain publicity. It's even said that most of his Twitter followers are fake, mostly consisting of empty or in-active accounts. He'll eventually be forgotten, and his deluded fangirls will one day grow up and realize how dumb they've been this whole time. I find it extremely hypocritical that he tells his fans to fight through adversity through his songs. What adversity? You're 18 years old and already a millionaire. What adversity do you have to go through!? :zenitora:

I could go on and on about him, but I don't want to go too off-topic. Stupid Bieber. :uramidn:
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Yeah... no.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_controversies
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People are stupid. That's just a fact of life. I was at the zoo the other day, and I couldn't believe just how idiotic some people were with their stupid comments. I guess when you're in a larger crowd (i.e. populations) the ratio of stupid people increases. Depending on how you define stupid, that is.

With Bieber, I have no idea how he could have ever become popular. He's a no-talent hack that makes millions of dollars singing shitty pop songs. In fact, I think his popularity is slowly waning; and he's been trying to show his "bad" side recently in order to gain publicity. It's even said that most of his Twitter followers are fake, mostly consisting of empty or in-active accounts. He'll eventually be forgotten, and his deluded fangirls will one day grow up and realize how dumb they've been this whole time. I find it extremely hypocritical that he tells his fans to fight through adversity through his songs. What adversity? You're 18 years old and already a millionaire. What adversity do you have to go through!? :zenitora:

I could go on and on about him, but I don't want to go too off-topic. Stupid Bieber. :uramidn:


what was said during your visit to the zoo? and he and many other singers now a days are just horrible i may be old fashion but i miss the old school music when the lyrics actually meant something like the real struggles people went through before they became famous just look at Eminem he is a true lyrical genius who's music became famous due to his real issue lyrics that hit you where it counts not like the pretty boys now a days :yuusaku: :yuusaku: but yeah lets not go too off topic like last time :keiko: :keiko:
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Speaking of which, I saw this interesting article about the "T" rating of Arkham City vs. the "M" rating of the Halo remake. Their reasons behind this are incredibly stupid, especially when other "T" games like Uncharted and GoldenEye contain dynamic blood and even stronger content than Halo.
http://kotaku.com/5901423/two-video-gam ... difference


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Once checked to ensure that all pertinent content disclosed in the completed questionnaire is reflected in the DVD submitted, the DVD is reviewed by a group of at least three trained raters who collectively deliberate about what rating should be assigned.


So it totally depends on that group of three or more "raters" what rating a game gets and obviously a different group will give a different rating. I mean you could probably show most games to different people and would always get different ratings. It's the same everywhere and it doesn't make the ESRB any worse then PEGI, USK, CERO or ACB.

E.g. the USK probably have to explain why AA5 now gets an USK 12 rating when all previous games from the main series had no age restriction at all.
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Lusankya wrote:
TopHatProfessor1014 wrote:
Speaking of which, I saw this interesting article about the "T" rating of Arkham City vs. the "M" rating of the Halo remake. Their reasons behind this are incredibly stupid, especially when other "T" games like Uncharted and GoldenEye contain dynamic blood and even stronger content than Halo.
http://kotaku.com/5901423/two-video-gam ... difference


From the ESRB.org website:
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Once checked to ensure that all pertinent content disclosed in the completed questionnaire is reflected in the DVD submitted, the DVD is reviewed by a group of at least three trained raters who collectively deliberate about what rating should be assigned.


So it totally depends on that group of three or more "raters" what rating a game gets and obviously a different group will give a different rating. I mean you could probably show most games to different people and would always get different ratings. It's the same everywhere and it doesn't make the ESRB any worse then PEGI, USK, CERO or ACB.

E.g. the USK probably have to explain why AA5 now gets an USK 12 rating when all previous games from the main series had no age restriction at all.


Its dumb that the fate of a game's rating depends on only three people :yuusaku:
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Yes, but what is the alternative? Just one guy that follows a checklist and verifies that the requested rating is reasonable?
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Yes, but what is the alternative? Just one guy that follows a checklist and verifies that the requested rating is reasonable?


Well there should get a bigger group of people instead of 3 that way you can have different varieties between age,gender, sense of morals and much more than you can get from just 3 measly people :yuusaku:
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