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Can someone tell me what the name meaning for Mikotoba Susato and Ryuunosuke is?

EDIT: Whoooooop, did not see the previous page.

Now that I think about it, hoso_boso may have been on to something. Instead of reading it as 'susato', why not as 'satosu' = "to scold, warn, persuade"? She could potentially be to Ryuu like what Mia was to Phoenix, but without the apprenticeship and whatnot. If so, she has to be older than him.

As for Ryuunosuke, at first I thought it was a normal, but impressive-sounding, name. Then, Ash brought up in the other thread a certain detective game which featured a protagonist with the same first name... but I don't know for sure if there's actually a connection there.
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Rubia Ryu the Royal wrote:
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Can someone tell me what the name meaning for Mikotoba Susato and Ryuunosuke is?

EDIT: Whoooooop, did not see the previous page.

Now that I think about it, hoso_boso may have been on to something. Instead of reading it as 'susato', why not as 'satosu' = "to scold, warn, persuade"? She could potentially be to Ryuu like what Mia was to Phoenix, but without the apprenticeship and whatnot. If so, she has to be older than him.

As for Ryuunosuke, at first I thought it was a normal, but impressive-sounding, name. Then, Ash brought up in the other thread a certain detective game which featured a protagonist with the same first name... but I don't know for sure if there's actually a connection there.


Ryuunosuke is just a normal name for the period. Ryuu (dragon) is of course taken from Ryuuichi (Phoenix). Our Ryuunosuke shares his name with Akutagawa Ryuunosuke, for example. (And no, the fact Apollo's Japanese name is Housuke, means nothing. -suke is just a normal last word for a boy's name).

As for Mikotoba Susato, I agree that hosobo's guess seems the most fitting at the moment. Mikoto (御言), or Mikotoba (御言葉) are the words of a higher entity (i.e. the emperor, or gods). Satosu (諭す) isn't really "to scold, warn, persuade" though; the basic meaning is to make someone (of a lower rank) understand (it's the transitive form of 悟る), so depending on the context, it can mean "to scold, warn, persuade", but also just tell 'tell' or 'teach'.

My dictionary quotes the Genji Monogatari for a second meaning ((2)仏教などがお告げによって人々に知らせる。「天変しきりにー・し/源氏(薄雲)」), so.... in this particular context, it could also mean conveying the words of the gods, which.... would make Susato sorta like a spirit medium?

(I'm still for みごと(な)バストさ! (`・ω・´)キリッっ though)
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Now that I think about it, hoso_boso may have been on to something. Instead of reading it as 'susato', why not as 'satosu' = "to scold, warn, persuade"? She could potentially be to Ryuu like what Mia was to Phoenix, but without the apprenticeship and whatnot. If so, she has to be older than him.

As for Ryuunosuke, at first I thought it was a normal, but impressive-sounding, name. Then, Ash brought up in the other thread a certain detective game which featured a protagonist with the same first name... but I don't know for sure if there's actually a connection there.


Ryuunosuke is just a normal name for the period. Ryuu (dragon) is of course taken from Ryuuichi (Phoenix). Our Ryuunosuke shares his name with Akutagawa Ryuunosuke, for example. (And no, the fact Apollo's Japanese name is Housuke, means nothing. -suke is just a normal last word for a boy's name).

As for Mikotoba Susato, I agree that hosobo's guess seems the most fitting at the moment. Mikoto (御言), or Mikotoba (御言葉) are the words of a higher entity (i.e. the emperor, or gods). Satosu (諭す) isn't really "to scold, warn, persuade" though; the basic meaning is to make someone (of a lower rank) understand (it's the transitive form of 悟る), so depending on the context, it can mean "to scold, warn, persuade", but also just tell 'tell' or 'teach'.

My dictionary quotes the Genji Monogatari for a second meaning ((2)仏教などがお告げによって人々に知らせる。「天変しきりにー・し/源氏(薄紫)」), so.... in this particular context, it could also mean conveying the words of the gods, which.... would make Susato sorta like a spirit medium?

Actually, maybe he's just called Ryuunosuke because the Naruhodou's always have Ryuu in their names or something like that. (In that case, maybe we could call Nick's kid Ryuuji.)

Okay, THAT makes much more sense. I knew I was on the right track; but I guess I hit a wrong option along the way. *penalty*

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My dictionary quotes the Genji Monogatari for a second meaning ((2)仏教などがお告げによって人々に知らせる。「天変しきりにー・し/源氏(薄雲)」), so.... in this particular context, it could also mean conveying the words of the gods, which.... would make Susato sorta like a spirit medium?

(I'm still for みごと(な)バストさ! (`・ω・´)キリッっ though)



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Actually, maybe he's just called Ryuunosuke because the Naruhodou's always have Ryuu in their names or something like that. (In that case, maybe we could call Nick's kid Ryuuji.)


I once wrote a detective story where the victim was called 龍之介. His son was 龍児 >_> (no, it was not set in Meiji)
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Here's just the trailer music for those who, like me, can't get enough of it.

What do you think it is? Objection, Pursuit, or something new altogether? Definitely sounds inspired by Layton. Maybe it's being composed by the PLvsAA composer, Yasumasa Kitagawa? Or hell, maybe even Tomohito Nishiura himself is doing it! That would blow my mind.

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Cross-examination, please. I would be such a happy camper... and defender of justice.

I think it's most likely gonna be the Objection theme, mainly because near the end of the clip it takes huge cues from Objection! 2001.
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Ok, now we have the first trailer and I'm getting used to that strange future game (and I had a hard time swallowing it). The courtroom is nice but there is no way the localization could make it less asian.
Localization was confirmed for North America (only for the 3DS e-shop... again) very quickly so I hope they confirm it for Europe to. I am really worried that they don't bother to localize it in Europe, they didn't even make a translation in other languages than english for Dual Destinies so...
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Ok, now we have the first trailer and I'm getting used to that strange future game (and I had a hard time swallowing it). The courtroom is nice but there is no way the localization could make it less asian.
Localization was confirmed for North America (only for the 3DS e-shop... again) very quickly so I hope they confirm it for Europe to. I am really worried that they don't bother to localize it in Europe, they didn't even make a translation in other languages than english for Dual Destinies so...

That so-called localization confirmation is just a fake post on Tumblr, nothing more. Otherwise, somebody would have brought it up here earlier. Not to mention it's far too early for that sort of news, considering the game is still in early development. Be sure to check for sources!
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So Meiji Era Ace Attorney....We're basically gonna get a game set between the years 1868 and 1912 which is officially the timeline of that era. Can you imagine this game being set in the same universe as Rurouni Kenshin?
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That so-called localization confirmation is just a fake post on Tumblr, nothing more. Otherwise, somebody would have brought it up here earlier. Not to mention it's far too early for that sort of news, considering the game is still in early development. Be sure to check for sources!


Well, that's too bad. :/
It's still early so we may have to wait for a while before we have real information...
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I think the localization for this game should follow the route that the Okami series did, in that it's still distinctly Japanese, and the only thing that's changed is that the text is translated.
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That music is AWESOME.
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As for Mikotoba Susato, I agree that hosobo's guess seems the most fitting at the moment. Mikoto (御言), or Mikotoba (御言葉) are the words of a higher entity (i.e. the emperor, or gods). Satosu (諭す) isn't really "to scold, warn, persuade" though; the basic meaning is to make someone (of a lower rank) understand (it's the transitive form of 悟る), so depending on the context, it can mean "to scold, warn, persuade", but also just tell 'tell' or 'teach'.

My dictionary quotes the Genji Monogatari for a second meaning ((2)仏教などがお告げによって人々に知らせる。「天変しきりにー・し/源氏(薄雲)」), so.... in this particular context, it could also mean conveying the words of the gods, which.... would make Susato sorta like a spirit medium?



This interpretation of her name makes me think that having her related to the judge/udjey :udgey: would be an interesting option. i.e Someone who 'conveys/tells the words/verdict of a higher entity'
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Chances are, this game is gonna be "too Japanese" to localize. I mean, I'm sure there are ways they can make it coincide with the NA translations of AA (Phoenix's ancestor could simply be visiting Japan during this period), but considering that we barely got Dual Destinies localized, I just don't see this one coming stateside. Something tells me the team who fan translated AAI2 might have a new project on their hands when this is released (assuming they would be up to it of course).

Overall though, Takumi or not, I can't say this interests me too much simply due to the fact that I strongly doubt it will be released in the U.S. I really hope this game is treated as a side story like the AAI games are and doesn't put off work on a possible Dual Destinies sequel.
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Actually, maybe he's just called Ryuunosuke because the Naruhodou's always have Ryuu in their names or something like that. (In that case, maybe we could call Nick's kid Ryuuji.)


I once wrote a detective story where the victim was called 龍之介. His son was 龍児 >_> (no, it was not set in Meiji)

I am calling it now, and even if one day when it's revealed that I'm wrong, I will stick with it. His name will be Ryuuji. (`ω´)人

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Here's just the trailer music for those who, like me, can't get enough of it.

What do you think it is? Objection, Pursuit, or something new altogether? Definitely sounds inspired by Layton. Maybe it's being composed by the PLvsAA composer, Yasumasa Kitagawa? Or hell, maybe even Tomohito Nishiura himself is doing it! That would blow my mind.

I'm in your debt, DeMat.

Cross-examination, please. I would be such a happy camper... and defender of justice.

I think it's most likely gonna be the Objection theme, mainly because near the end of the clip it takes huge cues from Objection! 2001.

Actually, it may be from a medley with both the cross-examination and objection themes.

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As for Mikotoba Susato, I agree that hosobo's guess seems the most fitting at the moment. Mikoto (御言), or Mikotoba (御言葉) are the words of a higher entity (i.e. the emperor, or gods). Satosu (諭す) isn't really "to scold, warn, persuade" though; the basic meaning is to make someone (of a lower rank) understand (it's the transitive form of 悟る), so depending on the context, it can mean "to scold, warn, persuade", but also just tell 'tell' or 'teach'.

My dictionary quotes the Genji Monogatari for a second meaning ((2)仏教などがお告げによって人々に知らせる。「天変しきりにー・し/源氏(薄雲)」), so.... in this particular context, it could also mean conveying the words of the gods, which.... would make Susato sorta like a spirit medium?



This interpretation of her name makes me think that having her related to the judge/udjey :udgey: would be an interesting option. i.e Someone who 'conveys/tells the words/verdict of a higher entity'

Well, she is a "legal assistant", so it's possible she has an official role during the trials.
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It may very well turn out to be a great game but these sort of spin off kind of games... Idk not going to be jumping in joy until I see it myself. Kenji was pretty good...
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I never quite understand that... I mean, what's so bad about a game being culturally very different.
God forbid players (whether young or old) actually find out there are different cultures in the world!

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Well... maybe they'll just stop to pretend it happen in America. I remember in french localization of the first games everything was in France but in PL VS PW Layton made a comment about Nick and Maya being Americans.
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Phoenix's Great Grandfather was Japanese. And Phoenix's Grandparents met after WW2 where they moved to America.

Simple.
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Phoenix's Great Grandfather was Japanese. And Phoenix's Grandparents met after WW2 where they moved to America.

Simple.


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I never quite understand that... I mean, what's so bad about a game being culturally very different.
God forbid players (whether young or old) actually find out there are different cultures in the world!

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I don't think WE have a problem with it, but in the big picture this is gonna be harder to sell than ordinary Ace Attorney games, most likely, in the west. That makes it less likely that Capcom US and EU will even bother "risking the money" on it.
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Sounds like s kick-ass idea to me. I know next to nothing about Meiji-era Japan so I think it would be cool if they somehow managed to localize this for non-Japanese consumers.

...Which, unfortunately, will never happen. It's like Capcom is literally telling its non-Japanese fan base to fuck off.
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Sounds like s kick-ass idea to me. I know next to nothing about Meiji-era Japan so I think it would be cool if they somehow managed to localize this for non-Japanese consumers.

...Which, unfortunately, will never happen. It's like Capcom is literally telling its non-Japanese fan base to fuck off.

I think they're holding on to their money pretty dearly. They're not gonna localize this out of pure passion, because they're a pretty struggling publisher nowadays.
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Sounds like s kick-ass idea to me. I know next to nothing about Meiji-era Japan so I think it would be cool if they somehow managed to localize this for non-Japanese consumers.

...Which, unfortunately, will never happen. It's like Capcom is literally telling its non-Japanese fan base to fuck off.

I think they're holding on to their money pretty dearly. They're not gonna localize this out of pure passion, because they're a pretty struggling publisher nowadays.


I'm not very into game companies' financial situation, but isn't it almost a good thing Capcom is bleeding a little? If they've pissed off so many people with their DLC shenanigans and whatnot, maybe this will make them reconsider their approach? I wouldn't bet on it, of course, chances are they'll just squeeze the consumers harder, but I'd prefer to remain optimistic. As long as they aren't breathing down Mr. Takumi's neck though, I'm fine. (Although it did sound like they were on twitter, he said something about a bigwig ordering him to make a new Ace Attorney game)
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An English version of the trailer just came out!
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Perfect!

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Phooey. I wanted his name to be Phoebus Wright! (Or maybe that's Nick's future son's name...)
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For this game, I just want of Takumi make, like the others AA games, the first case whit Boulay ancestor (Payne in ENG) as a prosecutor xD

Seriously, as a Belgian, I see of PLvsAA and his goog french translation open a lot if doors for localize the next AA games.

But, one think I don't like in PLvsAA, is the think of Phoenix and Maya are American.
Originaly, in french translation, AA take place in France. The best exemple is Eva Cozesouci (Lotta Hart) and is french language from Marseille (Peuchère, Bonne mère, etc...).

In america, AA is Japamerican.
In europe, AA is Jaframerican.
That's not good for the localisation of Dai Gyakuten Saiban.
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So it looks like this isn't going to be a one-time spin-off, but instead a whole new series :

"While it's not a main-numbered Ace Attorney title, it's the start of a new series called The Great Ace Attorney. I believe that it's becoming something that can show that it's not simply just a derivative title. We can't say too much about it for the time being, but we'll be revealing more on the characters and their backgrounds next time, which we hope you all can look forward to."


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I remember posting that video on here lol. Love how they kept showing the bald eagle.
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Zekrom025 wrote:
So it looks like this isn't going to be a one-time spin-off, but instead a whole new series :

"While it's not a main-numbered Ace Attorney title, it's the start of a new series called The Great Ace Attorney. I believe that it's becoming something that can show that it's not simply just a derivative title. We can't say too much about it for the time being, but we'll be revealing more on the characters and their backgrounds next time, which we hope you all can look forward to."

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That translation is a bit wrong though: it should read more in the sense of "Dai Gyakuten Saiban is the first of a new series of non main-numbered Gyakuten Saiban games [my note: i.e. not a spin off series like Gyakuten Kenji]'. As I read it, Kojima is keeping the door open for more 'main series' Gyakuten Saiban games (i.e. non spin-off games, the usual courtroom mystery with investigations and trial parts), that aren't necessarily set in the world introduced in GS1~5. After Dai Gyakuten Saiban, they could also go.. even further into the future (INTO SPACE), or in a fantasy setting, so it doesn't have to be DGS2.
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Wow, cool idea. A "sci-fi Ace Attorney".

Well, come to think of it, however, 5-5 pretty much fits that bill :-P
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Ash wrote:
Zekrom025 wrote:
So it looks like this isn't going to be a one-time spin-off, but instead a whole new series :

"While it's not a main-numbered Ace Attorney title, it's the start of a new series called The Great Ace Attorney. I believe that it's becoming something that can show that it's not simply just a derivative title. We can't say too much about it for the time being, but we'll be revealing more on the characters and their backgrounds next time, which we hope you all can look forward to."

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That translation is a bit wrong though: it should read more in the sense of "Dai Gyakuten Saiban is the first of a new series of non main-numbered Gyakuten Saiban games [my note: i.e. not a spin off series like Gyakuten Kenji]'. As I read it, Kojima is keeping the door open for more 'main series' Gyakuten Saiban games (i.e. non spin-off games, the usual courtroom mystery with investigations and trial parts), that aren't necessarily set in the world introduced in GS1~5. After Dai Gyakuten Saiban, they could also go.. even further into the future (INTO SPACE), or in a fantasy setting, so it doesn't have to be DGS2.

It's like the foundation for a plethora of inane genres put into a GS game. I'm still waiting on Little Shop of Horrors, GS-style, aka Charley the carnivore. <3
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linkenski wrote:
Wow, cool idea. A "sci-fi Ace Attorney".

Well, come to think of it, however, 5-5 pretty much fits that bill :-P


In the far away future, technological advancement has brought the world robots. ATHENA, as these handy helpers are called, can do anything man can do, and more. They can help in houses on Earth, but also help preparing space bases on other planets. Recognizing the advance conciousness of these beings, man has given them the freedom to live among humans. To protect themselves from an eventual ATHENA rebellion however, man has programmed the three Laws of Asimov in each and every of them.

Each and every? No, one day, Earth Base detects that the only human scientist on space base X has been killed. But the only other beings in the base are five ATHENAs. Which of them managed to ignore the Laws of Asimov and kill the scientist?!

Laws of Asimov functioning like the magic book in Layton vs GS, analyzing video material to see which ATHENA has been behaving strangely...[/not sure if awesome or not]

Edit: Also wouldn't mind something like Gyakuten Saiban BLACK, where evil society Golgom turns out to be behind every case 「ゴルゴムの仕業か?!」 And yes, a detective story collection where the criminal is always the same person, can actually work.
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Ash wrote:
Edit: Also wouldn't mind something like Gyakuten Saiban BLACK, where evil society Golgom turns out to be behind every case 「ゴルゴムの仕業か?!」 And yes, a detective story collection where the criminal is always the same person, can actually work.

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I don't know exactly why, but this just sounds so amazing.
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Murder -> Trial -> Win Trial -> Murderer doesn't break down, changes in Golgom monster -> 「ゆ゛る゛ざん゛!」 -> transformation into Steel Samurai -> beat up monster -> win.

I would buy it.

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