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Re: No Ace Attorney Investigations in Benelux

Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:39 am

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Small update: Bol.com is listing the game now for pre-order (Feb. 26) including a grave spelling error in the title "Ace Attorney Investigations - Miles Edgeworht".

But don't get your hopes up, bol.com will probably import the game their selves, so it could take a few weeks more if you pre-order it now. For example it took them about 2 months longer (and a lot of emails with their customer service) to get me a copy of GS2. And in the end they somehow managed to send me the "not for resale outside the US" version..

Re: No Ace Attorney Investigations in Benelux

Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:51 am

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Avistew wrote:

JJJAGUAR wrote:

I disagree, if the game sells well in english, next games arrived the english. I better NOT BUY THIS GAME IN EUROPE, and Capcom demostrale a game in another language does not sell...

But if people don't buy it, they won't release it AT ALL... Like they're not releasing this one in Benelux. They need to see it sells well, and then they'll go "wow, if it sells that well in English, a translated version would sell even better. Maybe we can invest in translation for the next game and it won't be wasted money".

I don't think a dutch version will sell more copies, probably even a lot less. I for one would never buy the dutch version of a game.. but that's probably because we are used over here about "all" games being English, movies being subtitled, and books and media targeted at children translated or dubbed.

Re: No Ace Attorney Investigations in Benelux

Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:57 am

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Avistew wrote:

JJJAGUAR wrote:

I disagree, if the game sells well in english, next games arrived the english. I better NOT BUY THIS GAME IN EUROPE, and Capcom demostrale a game in another language does not sell...

But if people don't buy it, they won't release it AT ALL... Like they're not releasing this one in Benelux. They need to see it sells well, and then they'll go "wow, if it sells that well in English, a translated version would sell even better. Maybe we can invest in translation for the next game and it won't be wasted money".

That is only one point of view, I see more sense than say: "oh, are sold well in English, no need to continue translating the sequelae"
If the game sold poorly, can:
-Gyakuten Saiban 5 appeared in several languages
-Not distributed Gyakuten Saiban 5

If everyone bought the game does not run any risk, you can be assured that we will not play AA in other languages. The risk is hoped that purchase would not translate to Capcom for a minimum of sales.

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Re: No Ace Attorney Investigations in Benelux

Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:59 am

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Guys, the game has a 12+ rating from PEGI. Every 12 year-old person here in the Netherlands should at least be able to understand the English used in Ace Attorney.

To be honest, I would hate it if the game was in Dutch. I don't like the Dutch word for 'Objection' (=tegenwerping) :edgeworth:

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Re: No Ace Attorney Investigations in Benelux

Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:23 am

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I'm a UK gamer here, we didn't get it as bad as the rest of Europe as well, we all speak English anyway :P
However there were MAJOR issues when T&T came out, it wasn't just the delay it was the lack of supply o.0

Firstly I tried importing, I mean there were rumours that it was never gonna make it over here and I wasn't taking that risk. Couldn't find one in stock anywhere though, but when it was announced in the UK I immediately ended my online search and put my preorder in at my local GAME. When it came to release day, they told me they didn't even have it in despite my preorder. This is a large franchised store, not some random independent one. Eventually after near enough walking into the stock room myself they managed to find 3 copies. They only had 3 copies on release day >_<. Other people who I know were unable to get copies of the game, not for lack of trying, and this is just in the UK, I'd have hated to see what it was like in the smaller countries.

Re: No Ace Attorney Investigations in Benelux

Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:58 am

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invmat wrote:

Guys, the game has a 12+ rating from PEGI. Every 12 year-old person here in the Netherlands should at least be able to understand the English used in Ace Attorney.

To be honest, I would hate it if the game was in Dutch. I don't like the Dutch word for 'Objection' (=tegenwerping) :edgeworth:

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oh my.. just.. no, or Bezwaar..

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Re: No Ace Attorney Investigations in Benelux

Fri Feb 19, 2010 12:36 pm

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This is something that can be argued from both sides.

Even though the prices went lower, games here are still more expensive than in other countries. When there was still a gameboy age, prices were towering high, and as a kid, you'd be saving up an entire year for getting a single game. So I can see why parents might better invest in getting their kid an R4 card then spending a lot of money on games.

Though it's not right what the company did either. 300 copies? I highly doubt my local intertoy's would have one. Not that bad, no news that the German mediamarkt doesn't have it and it's just 20 min's from where I live anyway (got my copy already though). I think when they see how quickly it get's sold out, they might see that there is a lot of anticipation for this game and they could backorder some more. If they feel that they should limit just because of the R4, they haven't been looking at other games properly, because they seem to be doing well despite them all being available for download.

- maar serieus, als dit toch in het Nederlands uitkomt krijg ik al trauma's over een vertaling op harry potter niveau met mismaakte namen zoals Feniks Recht, of zoiets.

Re: No Ace Attorney Investigations in Benelux

Fri Feb 19, 2010 12:50 pm

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Well I seem to have done the complete opposite to many. When I was in Denmark, I picked up a copy of T&T. Why? To date, T&T has NEVER made it to Australia. We have Apollo Justice and will most likely get Ace Attorney Investigations, but number three has never come to our shores...well to the mainstream gamestores that is.

I don't know why. We speak English, we should be just after the UK, but before this, we had to wait months later for our copy. I've never gotten it. Perhaps we hate Ace Attorney in our Country.

Either way, I have a European Copy of the game...albeit its an English copy because everyon in Denmark speaks English.

Re: No Ace Attorney Investigations in Benelux

Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:20 pm

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geheimaccount wrote:

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invmat wrote:

Guys, the game has a 12+ rating from PEGI. Every 12 year-old person here in the Netherlands should at least be able to understand the English used in Ace Attorney.

To be honest, I would hate it if the game was in Dutch. I don't like the Dutch word for 'Objection' (=tegenwerping) :edgeworth:

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oh my.. just.. no, or Bezwaar..

BEZWAAR!,
Ik heb hier een stuk bewijs wat kan bewijzen dat mijn client onschuldig is!

I still prefer Objection! :phoenix:

Re: No Ace Attorney Investigations in Benelux

Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:44 pm

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Actually I am interested in the sales of GS 1 and 2 in Europe.
It is often explained that Capcom decided the way they did since GS3 and 4 didn't sell well here.

But if the first two games did otherwise (I think (!)) it would be rather odd to blame the importers and/or pirates as they would also have imported or illegally played these first two games.

As for me: I confess I (living in Germany) imported. I got GS1-3 from Japan at a time I can't even remember these games being announced for Europe (I really can't! Perhaps they already were at that time...). So I started to play GS in English - which I prefer up to today. Then I realized that GS got multiple versions in Europe resulting in GS2 (and 3 later as well I think) sold in Germany as German/Spanish/Italian (or French?) version and no English option.
While I was waiting for GS4 - and it took alone nine months before it was released in the US - I had in mind that in Germany you would probably get a non-English version. At the same time the "funny ways to create, decline and postpone release dates" - that's what I call it right now - in Europe started. I think I do not have to explain here what that means... NATURALLY I imported GS4 from the US!

As I have my reasons I think lots and lots of people have. (E.g. the different prices. It does make a huge difference buying a game for 30 USD or 40 EUR!!!) Are we to blame? If so - I am sorry.

But after reading the discussion at the French Capcom boards and another German board - and seeing lots of people who want to play these games in their own language and are still irritated about the release of GS 3 and 4 - I still think that Capcom/Nintedo created themselves more importers with their way of releasing the last two games.

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Re: No Ace Attorney Investigations in Benelux

Fri Feb 19, 2010 2:28 pm

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Hi GA
I didn't know you where here too :sawit:

But I have the Game already so I don't have to buy it again :keiko:

You can just buy in on Next-Level :hobohodo:

(Case 4 is soooo cool!)

Re: No Ace Attorney Investigations in Benelux

Fri Feb 19, 2010 2:48 pm

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roderickie wrote:

Hi GA
I didn't know you where here too :sawit:

But I have the Game already so I don't have to buy it again :keiko:

You can just buy in on Next-Level :hobohodo:

(Case 4 is soooo cool!)

lol... Well, I was expecting you were also here. It turns out that I was right :phoenix:

About the game: I completed it this morning. Fast? Well..., I was addicted.
I couldn't wait for this game, so a 3-day gap was too much. Because I had a vacation, I had enough time to play. Well, I'm happy I imported this game. Otherwise...

Re: No Ace Attorney Investigations in Benelux

Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:28 pm

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Slumberdoll wrote:

- maar serieus, als dit toch in het Nederlands uitkomt krijg ik al trauma's over een vertaling op harry potter niveau met mismaakte namen zoals Feniks Recht, of zoiets.

.. So true.
The Dutch names for whatever it is are just weird.

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Fri Feb 19, 2010 4:16 pm

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Well done, after having the game in no shelves ever anywhere here and having only one run of copies, you now totally take away the game. Sounds like a really clever measure, not giving people the game to stop pirating.

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Fri Feb 19, 2010 4:41 pm

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Slumberdoll wrote:

- maar serieus, als dit toch in het Nederlands uitkomt krijg ik al trauma's over een vertaling op harry potter niveau met mismaakte namen zoals Feniks Recht, of zoiets.

Harry Potter had a fantastic translation into Dutch, at least the books did. It's not often something gets translated that well. Bad example.

Re: No Ace Attorney Investigations in Benelux

Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:32 pm

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Man, I'm in a rage! :zenitora:

Today I went to 3 shop (not the smallest ones = the big ones), the 3 shops I know, which sell games here (somewhere in Germany) and no one had a single copy!

Only one copy for gamestop and of course it was already sold out! Way to go, Capcom! :meekins:

(I ordered at amazon 5 min ago, btw)

Next time you (Capcom) say: Oh, nobody bought AAI in Germany, so no GS5 for you, pals! :maggy:

>_<

First time it ever happened to me. Every other game was in stock the day it was promised... >_<

(oh man, I'm pi****, thought it would be a great weekend with Miles and Kay...)

Re: No Ace Attorney Investigations in Benelux

Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:31 pm

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Hm, checked the local media markt after work, just to make sure they wouldn't miraculously stock it.. they had 4 copies of TT left and 3 AJ.. but no AAI :(

Re: No Ace Attorney Investigations in Benelux

Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:12 pm

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I've contributed to this as well. I usually get them on my emulator the first day of release and then buy it later (not out of any remorse to be honest, I just prefer to have it on my DS; nice and portable). The problem with this is, I don't actually purchase the game for quite some time. Apollo Justice was probably the worst, I think it was a full year.

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i live in the u.k. and speak english- so i could have easily have played the american version of t and t but i couldn't import t and t due to restrictions on my credit card, so i had to wait a year to get a game that i could have played easily had i had a copy from america- why couldnt capcom just ship over a couple of the american versions to the uk? :yuusaku:

Re: No Ace Attorney Investigations in Benelux

Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:05 am

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JJJAGUAR wrote:

That is only one point of view, I see more sense than say: "oh, are sold well in English, no need to continue translating the sequelae"
If the game sold poorly, can:
-Gyakuten Saiban 5 appeared in several languages
-Not distributed Gyakuten Saiban 5

I'd rather have it be released in English than not at all.
But I guess the best would be:

-massive number of people buying the game
-same massive number of people returning it for being in English (and specifying they returned it for that reason).

That should send the message. But still, they might still not be willing to invest more in Ace Attorney after that due to all the money they'd have lost.

Re: No Ace Attorney Investigations in Benelux

Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:55 am

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I've expected this. I live in the Netherlands, and allmost all the people I know with a DS, uses a flashcard, like the R4 card or the CycloDS. It's populair here, I think that we Dutchmen are just greedy. :payne:

And AA isn't that populair here, it's freakin' hard to find a PW game, the only AA that I could buy here was Apollo Justice, and a imported version of AAI. Besides, if the AA games doesn't sell that well, the series could be cancelled, thanks to piracy.

Re: No Ace Attorney Investigations in Benelux

Sat Feb 20, 2010 12:31 pm

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I think it's really sad that this happened, even though it doesn't really effect me. We need to spread the AA love, not restrict it!

....that sounded less hippy-like in my head. :edgy:

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Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:14 pm

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I thought that the real reason of being non translated was because instead being distribuited by Nintendo, which has distribuited the rest of the saga, Perfect Prosecutor was going to be distribuited by another company, that does not have the habbit to translate its products.

And I am almost sure, (well maybe that is not the main reason at all) but I still think that T&T had bad budget because it arrived one year and 2 months later than in States, and 6 months later than Apollo Justice, so lot of people (Did not you think that the main reason of those 2 games come to Europe to was because the other 2 games sold well) who were interested in imported it or played it in Flashcard instead of buying it when it arrived to their country. I think that is one of the reasons, besides the piracy.

Re: No Ace Attorney Investigations in Benelux

Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:14 pm

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My girlfriend works at the videogame-department of "Intertoys", a large chain of toy stores here in Holland. She got a call today from someone asking if they got AAI. She knew the game, of course, and knew they weren't getting it. But the caller said the same as in the article, no AAI in Benelux. And this explains a lot.

There are some stores here that sell AAI, but they're all specialized in videogames. Nedgame.nlor DimensionPlus.nl both have them in stock, or will carry AAI, and both are in my hometown, Groningen. But it think it will be the UK or USA version. That's where i will be getting my AAI copy.

My girlfriend will be asking tomorrow if she can order some AAI in the Intertoys in Groningen. Maybe she can get some, but I wouldn't count on it. But she'll do the best she can to get them to her Intertoys.

Re: No Ace Attorney Investigations in Benelux

Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:02 am

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All is well for Belgium, I guess? Now let's hope it extends to the NeLux in BeNeLux.

Re: No Ace Attorney Investigations in Benelux

Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:27 am

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personally, i'm wondering to myself how many of these dutch R4 users would actually have bought the games if they didn't have R4s.

that said, that really sucks for people here in benelux and would prefer not to import :(

Re: No Ace Attorney Investigations in Benelux

Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:55 pm

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Hmm. I ordered my copy of AAI in December and didn't notice it would be in English. I thought they'd translate it.
So it was a little shock, when I read 'New game' and the whole game was in English, but now I'm happy about it. I would've played it in English, anyway, but won't they translate it in the European languages? I mean, there are a lot of people who won't buy AAI because of that only-English-thing.

And, whoah, I love it. This game is proof for me that Apollo Justice doesn't belong to the AA-series. :pearl-blush:

I'm german.. so please forgive me mistakes etc. x)