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Next, Neni's opinion of AAI2 is not as minority as you may think. Croik wanted to throw her DS at the wall while playing that game (and was a major part of why it took her months to bother finishing it). Especially when these two showed their faces: ImageImage The impression I got from Croik was that one was a complete moron, and the other encouraged and praised his moronic rambling. Then there's a <PLOT TWIST> where Edgeworth <PLOT TWISTS> because of the most moronic reasoning. Unsurprisingly Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb were involved.

Damn it, every time this is talked about I'm desperate to know what this was. :larry:
What, weren't the characters supposed to be dumb? Is the problem Edgeworth fell for their idiotic reasoning in a way Edgeworth never would?
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Wooster wrote:

Next, Neni's opinion of AAI2 is not as minority as you may think. Croik wanted to throw her DS at the wall while playing that game (and was a major part of why it took her months to bother finishing it). Especially when these two showed their faces: ImageImage The impression I got from Croik was that one was a complete moron, and the other encouraged and praised his moronic rambling. Then there's a <PLOT TWIST> where Edgeworth <PLOT TWISTS> because of the most moronic reasoning. Unsurprisingly Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb were involved.

Damn it, every time this is talked about I'm desperate to know what this was. :larry:
What, weren't the characters supposed to be dumb? Is the problem Edgeworth fell for their idiotic reasoning in a way Edgeworth never would?


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As I understand it, the plot twist Edgeworth undergoes was paramount to the telling of the game's story. The question the writers then asked themselves was "how do we get Edgeworth to do that". Their answer involved Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb using logic that was admittedly flawed. As in, they're apparently conscious, in some way, about how stupid their line of reasoning is. But for sake of plot, they charge ahead. Edgeworth then takes their flawed reasoning to heart, as if it weren't flawed, as if it were the most solid act of reasoning ever. Again for sake of plot Edgeworth needed to do that.

The problem is, if everyone was in character and not being commanded by the god-writer, the plot twist might never have happened and it would've been a rather forgettable scene. As I understand, it's not that the plot twist occurred that's at fault, it's the handling of it that was moronic.

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Wooster wrote:
icer wrote:
Wooster wrote:

Next, Neni's opinion of AAI2 is not as minority as you may think. Croik wanted to throw her DS at the wall while playing that game (and was a major part of why it took her months to bother finishing it). Especially when these two showed their faces: ImageImage The impression I got from Croik was that one was a complete moron, and the other encouraged and praised his moronic rambling. Then there's a <PLOT TWIST> where Edgeworth <PLOT TWISTS> because of the most moronic reasoning. Unsurprisingly Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb were involved.

Damn it, every time this is talked about I'm desperate to know what this was. :larry:
What, weren't the characters supposed to be dumb? Is the problem Edgeworth fell for their idiotic reasoning in a way Edgeworth never would?


Spoiler: Don't Read, Major AAI2 Spoilers
As I understand it, the plot twist Edgeworth undergoes was paramount to the telling of the game's story. The question the writers then asked themselves was "how do we get Edgeworth to do that". Their answer involved Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb using logic that was admittedly flawed. As in, they're apparently conscious, in some way, about how stupid their line of reasoning is. But for sake of plot, they charge ahead. Edgeworth then takes their flawed reasoning to heart, as if it weren't flawed, as if it were the most solid act of reasoning ever. Again for sake of plot Edgeworth needed to do that.

The problem is, if everyone was in character and not being commanded by the god-writer, the plot twist might never have happened and it would've been a rather forgettable scene. As I understand, it's not that the plot twist occurred that's at fault, it's the handling of it that was moronic.


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Exactly. The plot itself would be glorious, but how it is written is atrocious. The characters don't act the way they do because it's naturally for them to act that way, but because the plot says so. At no point in the game their actions are believable. You are always aware that they are just like actors in a bad play, playing their roles.

Basically, if you take the exact same plot and hand it to a *good* writer and give him a reasonable amount of time to work with it, you'd likely get the best game in the series. This way, however, it was a catastrophe.

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