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Or the last cases features two victims, at the foot of a cliff. Oh, wait... 
I foresee it now. The hero and this Sherlock Guy will fall down a waterfall, then everyone'll call Takumi a murderer and he reveals that the Sherlock guy actually survived.
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then everyone'll call Takumi a murderer
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Impossible to pull off, because if this WAS Sherlock, they'd be absolutely wrong since Sherly was a detective and never a prosecutor.
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Well then he might be the detective? It's possible. It's also possible for the prosecutor to be based on Sherlock's character rather than it being Sherly himself.
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Famitsu also introduces a new element called “Joint Reasoning.” As Naruhodou and Holmes work together to solve mysteries, players will point out where Holmes is taking his reasoning further than the truth in order to get to the bottom of what really happened.
As far as the game’s flow goes, it will be similar to previous entries in that it follows detective and courtroom parts. This time, however, it will have both 3D characters and 3D backgrounds. And the actual depth of the background will be utilized (meaning, the character can actually go into the background).
As far as the game’s flow goes, it will be similar to previous entries in that it follows detective and courtroom parts. This time, however, it will have both 3D characters and 3D backgrounds. And the actual depth of the background will be utilized (meaning, the character can actually go into the background).
Am I the only one who cares about this more than the character reveals? We can go INTO the backgrounds, guys! That means we can walk all over the place AND teleport! Yaaaaaay!
Even on the off-chance that this leak isn't completely true, I'd at least want these points to be.
I too am interested in this,but I would tend to believe it's like the Layton games as you mentioned. I would love it if they had some old-fashioned point-and-click, Myst style adventure game investigation, though. DD was a step closer to that but I'd love to walk around in the crime scene a little more.
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Impossible to pull off, because if this WAS Sherlock, they'd be absolutely wrong since Sherly was a detective and never a prosecutor.
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Well then he might be the detective? It's possible. It's also possible for the prosecutor to be based on Sherlock's character rather than it being Sherly himself.
My initial reaction was "he's got to be the rival" (what with the hype and early silhouette) but this Joint Reasoning system and other details make it sound much more like he'll be a partner character. Though I'd put money on Holmes taking the stand sooner or later...
(No scans yet, by the way. Still looking! They should be out sometime tonight.)
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EmeraldKaruma wrote:
CatMuto wrote:
Impossible to pull off, because if this WAS Sherlock, they'd be absolutely wrong since Sherly was a detective and never a prosecutor.
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Well then he might be the detective? It's possible. It's also possible for the prosecutor to be based on Sherlock's character rather than it being Sherly himself.
My initial reaction was "he's got to be the rival" (what with the hype and early silhouette) but this Joint Reasoning system and other details make it sound much more like he'll be a partner character. Though I'd put money on Holmes taking the stand sooner or later...
(No scans yet, by the way. Still looking! They should be out sometime tonight.)
Yeah he's not exactly a prosecutor (then again Layton was never one either) still you think he'd overshadow our protagonist quite a bit given that he's Sherlock Mother-flipping Holmes if he was working directly alongside him. It also seems strange to feature him so prominently in logos then considering that the detective usually doesn't have as big a role compared to the prosecutor.
Think he'll be overly futuristic with gadgets and the like, it looks to me like he's got some kind of goggles on his deerhunter based on the little bumps there, I'd also say his sleeves look kinda rolled up too. Might be going for an "Inspector Gadget" kinda thing here.
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First thought: Iris Chateaubriand (Sakura Taisen) and Hakuba Saguru (Magic Kaito / Detective Conan). Second thought: Young Miss Holmes and her uncle Sherlock
(from the older topic)They're still in development, but I'm pretty sure I'm getting psychic powers now. ぞ～～～～～～～～～ん。
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Added to the first post!
Thanks!
(The spoiler tag is missing an end bracket though.
)...You don't want to know what time it is right now for me.
As an aside, the original source for this image posted it more than an hour ago, so odds are there's not going to immediately be another scan from them (I imagine they'd have posted it at the same time). But maybe I'm wrong!
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The world's most famous great detective. With his keen powers of observation and deduction, he not only finds the truth, he sometimes even goes beyond the truth. Like a rampage of reasoning. Resides in London.
そういえば、ホームズは自分のコトを「ぼく」というんだね・・・
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Bolt Storm wrote:
...You don't want to know what time it is right now for me.
As an aside, the original source for this image posted it more than an hour ago, so odds are there's not going to immediately be another scan from them (I imagine they'd have posted it at the same time). But maybe I'm wrong!
As an aside, the original source for this image posted it more than an hour ago, so odds are there's not going to immediately be another scan from them (I imagine they'd have posted it at the same time). But maybe I'm wrong!
Yeah, I was only able to find the Sherlock page... Well, at least Iris' design won't be spoiled yet. All will be revealed tomorrow anyway!
Ash wrote:
Most of it is too small to read now, but the small text beneath his name says:
The world's most famous great detective. With his keen powers of observation and deduction, he not only finds the truth, he sometimes even goes beyond the truth. Like a rampage of reasoning. Resides in London.
そういえば、ホームズは自分のコトを「ぼく」というんだね・・・
"Rampage of Reasoning" they make him sound a little crazy. (Maybe like that BBC version of Sherlock?)The world's most famous great detective. With his keen powers of observation and deduction, he not only finds the truth, he sometimes even goes beyond the truth. Like a rampage of reasoning. Resides in London.
そういえば、ホームズは自分のコトを「ぼく」というんだね・・・
In one of the screenshots I see 「ミスターナルホドー」(Mister Naruhodou). I guess Takumi liked how Layton referred to Nick!
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I believe the first scans have surfaced!
Spoiler: scan
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Still seems I was partially right about his goggles. Still do we know if he is the detective or the prosecutor or hell maybe both yet?
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*fangirls* their designs are so steampunk-ish! I can't wait to see how takumi works them into the game
I have a goddamn question. Considering this supposedly takes place in, what, Feudal Japan was it? How come Sherlock is even there? Then again, what should I expect from a guy who created the Gyakuten Saiban games that supposedly take place 2016 onwards, but seem to be stuck in 1985, despite the games being made in 2001 at a time when Phone Booths, large mobile phones, shitty ringtone quality and black and white pictures had already begun to die out to the point of non-existence?
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Or they could be calling back to AAI. One of the two.
Well? Are we going or what?
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EmeraldKaruma wrote:
*fangirls* their designs are so steampunk-ish! I can't wait to see how takumi works them into the game
I have a goddamn question. Considering this supposedly takes place in, what, Feudal Japan was it? How come Sherlock is even there? Then again, what should I expect from a guy who created the Gyakuten Saiban games that supposedly take place 2016 onwards, but seem to be stuck in 1985, despite the games being made in 2001 at a time when Phone Booths, large mobile phones, shitty ringtone quality and black and white pictures had already begun to die out to the point of non-existence?
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Well by now I'm just considering it takumi being takumi. Yes, there's a chance that this will be executed poorly however if there's one thing takumi's proven to me by this point is that he can make anything work.
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http://ameblo.jp/gsfun/entry-11923115130.html
Will translate as I go, unless Ash wants to step in and beat me to it!
EDIT: Full scans:
Spoiler: Scans
EDIT2: Info:
- Ryuunosuke begins the game in Japan, where as a college student he’s involved in a certain case that puts him on the path to becoming a formal attorney. To better study law, he transfers to England along with Mikotoba, where he meets Holmes.
- Most of the story will take place in London, with Japan serving as the setting for Ryuunosuke’s first case.
- Court and investigation proceed in mostly the same way, but during investigations Ryuunosuke and Holmes will use “joint reasoning” - a system where, as Ryuunosuke, you must point out any inconsistencies in Holmes’ rapid-fire reasoning. (The example shown is Holmes accusing a witness of being a certain revolutionary.)
- Part of the reason they settled on 3D was to allow for a very dynamic camera to match Holmes’ high-speed thinking. Takumi jokes that Holmes really set the stage for the game!
- Takumi has a deep love of the Sherlock Holmes stories, so he’s trying to respect the character. Holmes is described as falling somewhere between the “storybook Holmes” and a “real Holmes” - a man who focuses maybe too much on his investigations, but isn’t a bad person at heart.
- Ryuunosuke and Holmes’ meeting is a key point of the game.
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So a turnabout?
*clap* *clap*
Well played, Mr. Takumi, well played.
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This game has to be localized!
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Full scans on their way. In the meantime, hoso_boso has a summary:
http://ameblo.jp/gsfun/entry-11923115130.html
Will translate as I go, unless Ash wants to step in and beat me to it!
EDIT: Full scans:
EDIT2: Info:
http://ameblo.jp/gsfun/entry-11923115130.html
Will translate as I go, unless Ash wants to step in and beat me to it!
EDIT: Full scans:
Spoiler: Scans
EDIT2: Info:
- Ryuunosuke begins the game in Japan, where as a college student he’s involved in a certain case that puts him on the path to becoming a formal attorney. To better study law, he transfers to England along with Mikotoba, where he meets Holmes.
- Most of the story will take place in London, with Japan serving as the setting for Ryuunosuke’s first case.
- Court and investigation proceed in mostly the same way, but during investigations Ryuunosuke and Holmes will use “joint reasoning” - a system where, as Ryuunosuke, you must point out any inconsistencies in Holmes’ rapid-fire reasoning. (The example shown is Holmes accusing a witness of being a certain revolutionary.)
- Part of the reason they settled on 3D was to allow for a very dynamic camera to match Holmes’ high-speed thinking. Takumi jokes that Holmes really set the stage for the game!
- Takumi has a deep love of the Sherlock Holmes stories, so he’s trying to respect the character. Holmes is described as falling somewhere between the “storybook Holmes” and a “real Holmes” - a man who focuses maybe too much on his investigations, but isn’t a bad person at heart.
- Ryuunosuke and Holmes’ meeting is a key point of the game.
Thanks, Bolt!
A couple of things:
First, probably the biggest thing to me, is that the game mostly takes place in London. That's almost a little disappointing on one hand, since we've seen London (granted, a much more fantasy-like version of it) in the Layton games, and the Japanese setting seemed new and interesting to me. However, what this does mean is that it will likely be more likely to be translated, as the localizers can come up with the punny names they always do. Most of my concern about this game not coming out was because the localizers would have to either A, translate the game with the original setting and character names (which I doubt they would do, although that would probably be what most of us would have preferred) or B, find some crazy way to localize the setting, which seemed impossible. Now I bet that they'll keep the Japanese names for the first case and for recurring characters, but in London there won't be any issues localizing the names. So I'm betting we're going to get this one after all.
Regarding the characters, I like Sherlock's design. The Deerstalker outfit isn't my preferred Holmes, but its the most recognizable and they've adapted it to the AA world well.
I'm much less convinced about Watson right now. Yesterday, when we didn't know anything about her, and I just assumed she was a family member of Holmes or John Watson, or someone pretending to be Watson, I was cool with it. But now she's an 8-year-old who is an MD, is presumably Holmes' partner in his investigation, and wrote the in-universe Holmes novels? I'm having a really hard time buying into that. I'm sure I will be won over by the actual story (and in truth, we probably won't really know her true backstory until the last case of the game) but it just makes me ask a bunch of questions. Were the Holmes novels written based on actual investigations she had with Holmes, or are they complete fiction in this iteration of the character? Was John Watson ever a character in this universe, and what's the relation to Holmes? I understand why they'd make the characters new and different, but making Watson a child seems to be making things way more complicated than they could be. I guess we'll see!
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Bolt Storm wrote:
Full scans on their way. In the meantime, hoso_boso has a summary:
http://ameblo.jp/gsfun/entry-11923115130.html
Will translate as I go, unless Ash wants to step in and beat me to it!
EDIT: Full scans:
EDIT2: Info:
http://ameblo.jp/gsfun/entry-11923115130.html
Will translate as I go, unless Ash wants to step in and beat me to it!
EDIT: Full scans:
Spoiler: Scans
EDIT2: Info:
- Ryuunosuke begins the game in Japan, where as a college student he’s involved in a certain case that puts him on the path to becoming a formal attorney. To better study law, he transfers to England along with Mikotoba, where he meets Holmes.
- Most of the story will take place in London, with Japan serving as the setting for Ryuunosuke’s first case.
- Court and investigation proceed in mostly the same way, but during investigations Ryuunosuke and Holmes will use “joint reasoning” - a system where, as Ryuunosuke, you must point out any inconsistencies in Holmes’ rapid-fire reasoning. (The example shown is Holmes accusing a witness of being a certain revolutionary.)
- Part of the reason they settled on 3D was to allow for a very dynamic camera to match Holmes’ high-speed thinking. Takumi jokes that Holmes really set the stage for the game!
- Takumi has a deep love of the Sherlock Holmes stories, so he’s trying to respect the character. Holmes is described as falling somewhere between the “storybook Holmes” and a “real Holmes” - a man who focuses maybe too much on his investigations, but isn’t a bad person at heart.
- Ryuunosuke and Holmes’ meeting is a key point of the game.
I'm sure everyone's noticed by now, but
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I'm much less convinced about Watson right now. Yesterday, when we didn't know anything about her, and I just assumed she was a family member of Holmes or John Watson, or someone pretending to be Watson, I was cool with it. But now she's an 8-year-old who is an MD, is presumably Holmes' partner in his investigation, and wrote the in-universe Holmes novels? I'm having a really hard time buying into that. I'm sure I will be won over by the actual story (and in truth, we probably won't really know her true backstory until the last case of the game) but it just makes me ask a bunch of questions. Were the Holmes novels written based on actual investigations she had with Holmes, or are they complete fiction in this iteration of the character? Was John Watson ever a character in this universe, and what's the relation to Holmes? I understand why they'd make the characters new and different, but making Watson a child seems to be making things way more complicated than they could be. I guess we'll see!
According to the interview, Iris Watson is indeed the person who wrote the Sherlock Holmes stories for Strand Magazine and that she lives with Holmes. The game will also depict how 'novel' Holmes differs from 'real' Holmes, suggesting that the stories are at least in part based on real events.
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I've been rather HYPE for this game since playing PL vs PW and this is just building that hype, but that's not what I wanted to say.
I was thinking about this whole Iris Watson thing and at first I was just passing it off as Japan being Japan, but I should give Takumi more credit and that's when it hit me.
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According to the interview, Iris Watson is indeed the person who wrote the Sherlock Holmes stories for Strand Magazine and that she lives with Holmes. The game will also depict how 'novel' Holmes differs from 'real' Holmes, suggesting that the stories are at least in part based on real events.
I don't mind Iris that much myself. Since she's most likely going to play a role like Luke does to Layton, she's not going to be prosecutor. And in that case, I don't care what age she's at.
I am uncomfortable that I'm getting Klavier vibes from Holmes, though. He won't be anything like Klavier, but his mannerisms make him seem a little... young and rash? I mean, we get to argue with his train of logic in case he slips off to a wrong conclusion. But now, I'm getting the image of a variation on DR's logic duel, but without the swords, (or maybe just DR's discussion rounds in general) and it looks amazing. No, scratch that, this whole game looks amazing.
By the way, are those glow sticks by his side? Could be useful; dunno if they'll actually play a role during an investigation. I believe I also see the shape of a flint-lock pistol in Holmes' possession. Well, it's only fair that they both get weapons. Ryuu can't just play bodyguard.
Also, at least now Ryuu can investigate without the problems of not being a defense attorney yet; I still wonder how he'll get permission to defend anyone, though.
I'm also now going to call Susato "Suto-chan" along the lines of Hami-chan. She's exactly as I imagined, as an older version of Pearl and is Ryuu's memo girl.
Man, it's like GS4 and PLvsAA have combined into one game. I have bittersweet feelings about that, but since this is a Takumi-Kojima collab, I'm glad.
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