Keep quoting myself from other topics, but on the name Mimi Nanano:



(Could also be of interest, depending on the complete story: nana also means seven.)

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I understand "Mimi" meaning ears as well, I just wonder how vegetables play into her character? We know she does have a rabbit hiding in her hat

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Well that explains why the animation is so mediocre in the prologue. Though them being done by A-1 makes sense not only because of the anime, but also because BONES are ridiculously busy right now (one of their shows just ended a couple of weeks ago, and they have 3 currently airing anime along with another two next season). Still disappointing though.

>Mediocre

It's SO much better looking than Dual Destinies' cut scenes. Like, wow. You'd have to be blind or biased to consider the AA6 prologue bad looking or inferior to DD. It even looks on par or better than PLvAA

Cutscenes look definitely better than Dual Destinies. Too bad the anime can't get as much as the prologue did...

Cutscenes look like DD cutscenes to me, but the shading is a bit better and the direction is maybe a tiny bit better. I mean, there's actually some more moment-to-moment dialogue, but that's just based on the proglogue of a game I haven't played and I thought the same thing in DD. I was like wow "These are dark times where the law has been (literally) been reduced to rubble!" that sounds intriguing! Then, in hindsight. MEH. There's also still a lot of still-frames that look terrible.



As for the dialogue in the prologue it's more interesting but there's still some crap in it like how Nayuta's dialogue reminds me of Courtney "Our founders sins, blabla our founders will be kind to you" vs "The goddess of law this and that" and I hated seeing Apollo and Athena waste more interaction-time just on I'M FINE-ing each other. The rest was okay but it's still kinda stubby if you know what I mean.

Phoenix's travel-montage was also bad IMO. It seems like a series of still frames for concept they didn't have the time to animate and then they just flip through them -- I get the idea of the style but it came across as ill-conceived and roughly put together to me.

"OBJECTION, This food proves the killer didn't do it -- SILENCE, blablala" ... "How did it go in there?" ... "Oh, Mr. Wright, doesn't that remind you of a certain someone?" *pan to Maya*<-- It still has this feel of being generic and quickly skimming through each character's basic behavior. It still has this placeholder feel to it. :/

Wait... what did I actually like? Oh yeah that's right: is nice and she shows some skin I think I liked that little moment when you see just Maya and Bokuto walking about for a bit, but I didn't really get a sense of context when I haven't seen the rest of their characters in the game.

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Seriously? The travel montage is something called *COMEDY*

I know you have to reach to complain, but come on, really? It's a joke, a small bit of humor to relieve the darker tone of the previous parts.

Oh well, looks like Phoenix just got 4-stars wanted level...



But he doesn't seem worried at all.

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I think the police are arresting him mainly because of the whole "crime of defense" thing. That said, Phoenix has a really badass quote:

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This is your first post. My hat is off to you, sir. Nothing a few grenades won't clean up.

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Haha thank you very much.
Now I'm just curious to see what will Phoenix do to convince them to let him defend Bokuto, or anyone in the country. I can assure you, grenades are bad idea, just ask Ted Tonate for sticky bombs

PS: Maya is on the purple mark on the minimap, just to clarify...

(Sorry if my grammar is incorrect, I'm brazilian, y'know...)

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A-1 Picture's animation in the prologue had some incredibly stiff and badly timed cuts of animation, compared to BONES work on Dual Destinies which was the exact opposite.

The character designs in the prologue are so much worse. Yoshiyuki Ito's work on Dual Destines was fantastic, compared to whoever they got at A-1 Pictures to design them which look pretty off.

The directing was not as good as Kenji Nagasaki's work on Dual Destines either.

Backgrounds were nice though.

Yeah, I don't like A-1 Pictures, they have not made something I like in over a year, but I can appreciate good production values. Their work on the first four episodes of Erased truly wowed me (before falling apart like the rest of the show), even Grimgar of Fantasy and Ash, a show I really don't like, I can say the first four episodes, again, wowed me with how stunning they were (before turning into a production train wreck). I just think their work here, is incredibly underwhelming to say the least. It's better that the anime series, but that's really not saying much.

Layton Vs. Wright's work is far, far, far above the prologue.

Nope. Even if your argument was correct about the animation, the character designs and art are miles above DD, just look at the judge in both games, and you know, Phoenix, and Athena, actually look like people now.

What's the problem with that image? It's not sarcasm. I don't see anything wrong with it. (I mean, yes, it looks weird out of context, but there were a lot of faces in DD that bothered me while playing the game.)



I don't really care who is doing what and I don't see any of that. I remember that watching some of DD's cutscenes and thinking that the animation was stiff and the characters looked weird. This prologue felt a lot better compared to that.

DD's prologue looked pretty good, though, and this one isn't even in the actual game, so we can't really compare fairly yet.

Can you honestly say this comedic scene,

https://youtu.be/bIGHgrDOZiI

Is better animated that this one?

https://youtu.be/5BYIRnXVLKI

(hopefully the time mark thing works)

The one from AA6 is so awkward, I mean, the timing of everything else with this joke was fine, but the animation made the joke completley fall apart to me.

And I could honestly care less if they look more like actual people, as long as the designs look aesthetically appealing to me (which in AA6, they don't), I will be happy with the designs. Yoshiyuki Ito's work is more appealing to me than this A-1 Pictures designer's take.

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My point is not about who's making it, what I am saying is that I think the cutscenes from Dual Destines are better.

To be more fair, I will only compare it to the first cut scene of Dual Destinies. Since we've only seen this one anime scene from AA6. And even then I think AA5's is vastly superior in quality.

I absolutely, with 100% certainty, can say it's better. There is no animation, because it's a quick slideshow montage, that's the point of it. It's an action-style montage played for laughs. And seriously, the judge, phoenix in the intro and case 1, apollo, edgeworth during the court scene in case 5, are all instances are badly animated AA5 scenes.

The joke itself is not what I am getting at here. What I am getting at is how well animated it is, which is the thing I have been getting at this whole time. While I think AA6's prolouge is poorly animated, e I believe AA5's cut scenes are consistently good.

"there is no animation"

But there clearly is. However it is poor animation. The way things move is janky and awkward. If the animation was not like that it would have been so much more effective in my opinion

I went back to the anime cut scenes in AA5 and those scenes look completely fine to me, they are on model, and don't have any of the awkward posing problems or jerky animation which plagues the whole entire AA6 prologue.

I'm not trying to say that the cutscenes in AA5 are amazing or anything (though there's some pretty cool animation scattered throughout), what I am trying to say is that, to me, the anime prologue was a major downgrade in terms of animation quality.

If you want to link the video at a certain time, you have to go to your desired spot in the video and pause. Then click "Share" below the video, and check the box that says "Start at: []." It should have the exact time. When it changes the link in the box above, you can copy and paste it here.

It should look something like this:

https://youtu.be/bIGHgrDOZiI?t=1m56s (just an example, you may or may not have another scene in mind)

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Nope. Even if your argument was correct about the animation, the character designs and art are miles above DD, just look at the judge in both games, and you know, Phoenix, and Athena, actually look like people now.[/quote]

Can you honestly say this comedic scene,

https://youtu.be/bIGHgrDOZiI

Is better animated that this one?

https://youtu.be/5BYIRnXVLKI

(hopefully the time mark thing works)

The one from AA6 is so awkward, I mean, the timing of everything else with this joke was fine, but the animation made the joke completley fall apart to me.

And I could honestly care less if they look more like actual people, as long as the designs look aesthetically appealing to me (which in AA6, they don't), I will be happy with the designs. Yoshiyuki Ito's work is more appealing to me than this A-1 Pictures designer's take.[/quote]

If you want to link the video at a certain time, you have to go to your desired spot in the video and pause. Then click "Share" below the video, and check the box that says "Start at: []." It should have the exact time. When it changes the link in the box above, you can copy and paste it here.

It should look something like this:

https://youtu.be/bIGHgrDOZiI?t=1m56s (just an example, you may or may not have another scene in mind)

[/unsolicited advice][/quote]

Ah okay, thanks! I never actually realized the links didn't work.

[/quote]If you want to link the video at a certain time, you have to go to your desired spot in the video and pause. Then click "Share" below the video, and check the box that says "Start at: []." It should have the exact time. When it changes the link in the box above, you can copy and paste it here.

It should look something like this:

https://youtu.be/bIGHgrDOZiI?t=1m56s (just an example, you may or may not have another scene in mind)

[/unsolicited advice][/quote]

Ah okay, thanks! I never actually realized the links didn't work.[/quote]

Gotta say, about Trucy: her AA6 model looks like it was translated straight from AJ with no recolouring. Much better than DD which looked rather dull.

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This is cool.
I MIGHT start getting back into Ace Attorney again.
yay

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I don't follow the logic of saying DD's animation or direction was better than this at all. The still frames then were still kinda terrible, especially this one that got a whole 5 seconds of emphasis.



No, really, the DD's anime scenes was shit. The prologue was good and I guess that scene with Apollo finding the crime scene of 5-2 was good and the ending scene was decent (oh wait it had that terrible part with Phoenix and his cohorts cheering when Starbuck goes to space). So far I like everything I saw in this prologue at least a tad better. The only thing I thought was really off was when Blackquill cuts the evidence food and there's this weird shift in tone as Athena looks at them with the angle showing her eyes glimmering and going in slow-motion and then she grabs them in still-frames and there's no music. Like... WAT? That was lame.

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First off, that frame isn't even bad. Don't know where you're coming from with that. Now onto what I have to say about AA6's prologue.

I'm going to start by saying this. I think the Ace Attorney 6 Anime Prologue is a bland, uninspired, lifeless product with no personality whatsoever.

Now I know I am going to get a lot of crap for this, but at least try to see where I am coming from with this.

Starting with the animation, it is terrible. I'm not going to even beat around the bush with this anymore with the "mediocre" stuff. I think it is completely awful. By this I am specifically talking about the way things move, and not staying on model, not scene composition, not backgrounds, just the way the characters move (I am emphasizing this for the sake of anyone who mixes animation up with other aspects of visuals). To say that the animation is "basic" is a understatement. There is no moment where it goes anywhere above basic either, not even during moments where it looks as if it should have. On top of that those basic elements are not even done well, as the way the characters are posed, drawn, and timed, is incredibly awkward 100% of the time.

For the sake of being fair, I will only be comparing the Ace Attorney 6 prologue to the intro cut scene of Dual Destinies, as it is only fair because we have only seen this one anime cut scene from Ace attorney 6. And with that said, I can say without a doubt in my mind that Dual Destinies intro cut scene is much higher quality.

The animation in the opening cut scene for Dual Destinies is of a consistent high quality. There is no moment where I have a problem with how the characters were animated. The way they are all posed, drawn and timed was completely natural. Not bringing the courtroom exploding scene into consideration (since it is more action heavy than anything in the AA6 prologue), the character animation in every shot is still eons better than anything in that whole entire 6 minutes worth of animation. Unlike the prologue where they hardly move at all, the characters in AA5 move around quite a lot, doing some pretty fun exaggerated poses.

This is also helped by the cinematography, the way the shots are done in AA5 are pretty dynamic and interesting, such as at the very end, where the camera pans across the courtroom, and then does a 3D camera move towards Apollo. It was very nicely done. Another scene that stands out to me is when Phoenix prepares before leaving, the shot where you have a view of phoenix's arm as he puts his coat on, a very cool looking moment.

AA6 in comparison is... boring. Very boring. There are no shots or scenes where the cinematography or layout of the scene looks interesting in any way whatsoever. It's low budget TV anime tier. It never tries to do anything interesting with the backgrounds, or depth of field, nothing. Completely dull. Boring.

The character designs are a thing that is very debatable depending on what you prefer, I like the designs from AA5 more than AA6, I just find them more appealing that the ones from the prologue. They just look incredibly off to me.

For the backgrounds, I will admit, some of the backgrounds look pretty nice, and in terms of how they are drawn I'd put them on around the same level as AA5, maybe slightly lower.

The visual aspect was the part I was getting at this whole time. Weather or not you find what is happening in the story bad or good is irrelevant to me. By directing I mean visual direction, which is much more interesting in AA5 than AA6, which is just completely lifeless.

I'm also going to disagree with your point on the scene in the AA6 prologue, I personally think it is one of the better moments in the anime (despite the lackluster animation). The way the music stops amplifies the comedy in the scene. It wouldn't have been nearly as "funny" (I didn't find it particularly amusing myself) if it had Blackquill's theme playing over it, and it is timing of the music stopping and starting again was fine.

Now I am never going to bother having this discussion with anyone here again, as it is a waste of both yours and my time. We are never going to come to a agreement so whatever. You think AA6 is better, I think AA5 is better. Hopefully you can just understand where I am coming from with this.

There's something about Ema's new official art that makes her look a lot more mature and older than she did in AJ (y'know, other than the fact that she is :v)

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If it's the triangular shoulders you are complaining about, then all I have to say about that is that it's a very common design choice in anime, especially in BONES productions, and I personally think it looks fine.

Aside from that "issue", it is completely fine.

No offense, but you're stubborn. Like, even some... *cough* other people on this forum change their mind when they're obviously incorrect, but come on.

She's less of a grump now?

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I'm being honest here, I don't see the problem. I'm not trying to say the cut scenes are masterful or anything, but I think they are miles better than the AA6 prologue.

His shoulder is incorrect, he doesn't have the triangle shoulder, it's an animation error

I don't know, he seems to have them here. The only real difference is that his shoulders in the anime cut scene is slightly wider, which could just be due to their being a slight difference between the way the anime character designer and the game's character designer draw the characters, though even the in game model has pretty wide shoulders, just not quite as triangular.



I don't know why you're so adamant about proving my opinion wrong.

It's NOT an opinion, in those pictures the shoulder is connected. in the anime it's disconnected

In that case I really don't see it. Sorry.

And I meant that in general. This whole time you've went out of your way to try prove why my opinion is wrong, and I just don't get it. You're never going to get anywhere by doing it, what I think isn't going to change, becuase I don't think I am wrong. You can't really be wrong with what you think of art, since it is a subjective thing.

I think the AA5 cutscenes are good, while I think that, from what I've seen so far, AA6's animation quality is total trash, and I'm thankful they seem to be making use of more 3D cutscenes instead. And that's not going to change. Sorry.

I can't be the only one who's glad Trucy's a main character again, right?

She's a defendant, not sure that counts as a main character...

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I'm thrilled with any role Trucy takes, just as long as it doesn't involve mentioning panties 200 times in a single scene.

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She'll probably talk about panties while in the detention center.

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