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Author:  Wooster [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:09 pm ]
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Non-Europeans rejoice. (But the Europeans are free to rejoice as well!) Play Asia is finally accepting pre-orders for Hotel Dusk's sequel: Last Window: The Secret of Cape West.

I know I'm not waiting to get my order in. Don't miss out on what is very likely CiNG's last big hurrah!


Edit: There appears to be some confusion on the forums so allow me to clarify the details about Play Asia and Last Window in Europe.

#1. The DS is Region Free.
This means that you can play the European version of Last Window on your American DS. This was also the same case in the past with GS1 - GS3 DS in Japan with past releases. So no worries.

#2. The United Kingdom (England) is a part of Europe. Last Window is being released in English.
... and Italian, and Spanish, and German, and French. When you first got your DS you had to select your native Language. When you insert Last Window on your DS it'll automatically select English to play with, should you have English as your default Language.

#3. Last Window is NOT getting a North American Release
Nintendo of Europe is publishing Last Window, not Nintendo of America. Additionally, the only trademarks for Last Window reside in Europe (and Japan). Nintendo of America has done nothing to indicate that they are interested in publishing Last Window. Add to it that the last CiNG title released in the states, 'Again: Eye of Providence', was not published by Nintendo but Temco, and that the last Nintendo of Europe published CiNG title 'Another Code: R', was not released in America. There is every indication that Nintendo of America has no interest in bringing Last Window state-side.

Therefore the only way you are going to be able to play the game is either through Play-Asia, or if you've got a friend in Europe willing to help you smuggle the game out. The end.

#4. The game costs as much as a Wii Game
Yes, Yes it does. But consider first that the game has to be shipped from Europe, to the Pacific where Play-Asia is headquartered, and then from there to the States, the game is literally traveling the world to get to your door. Such is the tale of import titles.

Also consider that games in general are more expensive in Europe then in America. The DS titles for instance normally cost 34 Pounds new. When you convert that to USD the game costs $52.51; That's what they pay locally! The add that Play Asia is playing chess with shipping the title, and you've actually got a decent deal.
Author:  DoMaya [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:24 pm ]
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*grins*
Author:  zeldaskitten [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:14 pm ]
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I'm wondering if the American version (if there will be one) would be any different from this one? :shoe:
Author:  Wooster [ Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:21 pm ]
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I put money down on there not being an American version.
Author:  MaimJay [ Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:49 am ]
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By ‘Europe’ version, I’m hoping it’s in English? and judging by the site I’m guessing I’ll still be able to play it on my DS.
It’s really too bad that a company that makes really good games had to go down like this :( ATLEAST the game is still being made <3
Author:  DeMatador [ Wed Aug 25, 2010 1:52 am ]
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Wooster wrote:
I put money down on there not being an American version.


Same. Wouldn't be weird, considering "Another Code: R" had the exact same treatment: released in Japan, then in Europe, and never in America, even though it's predecessor was.

There's always importing, and I don't think the localization'll be affected by this.
Author:  Bad Player [ Wed Aug 25, 2010 1:57 am ]
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I think I'll wait a little bit to see if there's gonna be an American version... but thank god the DS isn't region-locked xD
Author:  Cravat of Doom [ Wed Aug 25, 2010 2:08 am ]
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I know there's a large gaming market in Europe, but why would they only release LW there? It's not like they'd make more money on the game in Europe than here in North America....

Still, this is good news. I'll make sure to order it. :edgy:
Author:  Wooster [ Wed Aug 25, 2010 2:22 am ]
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Cravat of Doom wrote:
I know there's a large gaming market in Europe, but why would they only release LW there? It's not like they'd make more money on the game in Europe than here in North America....

Still, this is good news. I'll make sure to order it. :edgy:


Personally, I think it's that Europeans, or at least NOE, are more open to text based games then the States.

It's also possible that NOA looked at CiNG's last game, Again: Eye of Providence, saw that the sales were beyond disgusting, and decided that their marketing would be better off used on some other game, like Metroid Other M or Golden Sun or something.

Another possibility, it's not that Nintendo would make a loss promoting Last Window, it's that they can spend the same amount of effort on other titles, and get greater returns.

Don't hold your breath on there being an official release of Last Window in North America. Now we get to see what our European friends have to deal with on a regular basis.
Author:  Dawn [ Wed Aug 25, 2010 3:13 am ]
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Yay...

Ah well, I don't mind the importing, the only thing is that I have to get the money to buy it. But, I seriously want Last Window. CiNG's going to go off with a bang for sure... (we can hope...)
Author:  Mr. Bear Jew [ Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:44 am ]
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I totally want to play Last Window, but LOL @ the price. There's no way I'm ponying up $50+S&H, at least not right now; I paid less for the DS port of Gyakuten Saiban 3. At best, I'll wait a few months to see if Nintendo makes a move to release it in the states.
Author:  Wooster [ Wed Aug 25, 2010 5:17 pm ]
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Mr. Bear Jew wrote:
I totally want to play Last Window, but LOL @ the price. There's no way I'm ponying up $50+S&H, at least not right now; I paid less for the DS port of Gyakuten Saiban 3. At best, I'll wait a few months to see if Nintendo makes a move to release it in the states.


Sadly, paying less for GS3 DS is an invalid comparison. Last Window is a European game, not a Japanese game. Games are in general significantly more expensive in Europe then what we're used to paying in the states. Couple that with that the games have to be shipped from Europe, to the Pacific, and then back to the States, the product is literally shipped the long route around the world just to reach you.

This is, as opposed to GS3 DS, where the game already starts in the Pacific, and then travels to the states, at a lower base cost then in Europe.

And again, Nintendo of Europe is publishing Last Window. Not NOA. This is the same story for Another Code: R, another CiNG story published by Nintendo of Europe. Never released in America. Nintendo of America is not going to release Last Window, so don't hold your breath.
Author:  Pierre [ Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:21 pm ]
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Now we get to see what our European friends have to deal with on a regular basis.


Was gonna say it is a massive pain but again it's not really trouble seeing as they will work fine as imports
Author:  L~A [ Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:14 pm ]
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By ‘Europe’ version, I’m hoping it’s in English?

Well of course it'll be in English. This is a game published by NoE, meaning we'll get all 5 main European languages: English, French, German, Spanish and Italian. And also don't forget the UK IS in Europe (at least, for NoE :p), and it's the second largest market in Europe for video-games, so the absence of an English translation would be really weird... especially since the game's being translated into FIGS (French, Italian, German and Spanish) from English. Yes, yes, NoE do have Japanese to English translators :D

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I totally want to play Last Window, but LOL @ the price. There's no way I'm ponying up $50+S&H, at least not right now;

Well, that's the regular price for DS games in Europe (of course, you can get lower prices on big websites like Amazon). That's still a bit cheaper than Japanese games (which are some of the most expensive), but still. As for Play-Asia's price, I believe that's because, as Wooster said, they'll have to get the games first from Europe (all European games are assembled in Europe, whereas US ones are assembled in Japan/China... that's why you get only US/JAP games on Play-Asia, and barely any European games... the last one was Hotel Dusk, if I'm not mistaken), and it'll have to arrive in Hong-Kong before it goes back to wherever you live.

Actually, I think it'll take a few days before they get the games ready to ship, but I certainly hope the wait won't be too long.
And I don't think they'll many copies in stock, for the very same reason. So I don't think you should wait too long before (pre)-ordering your copy.

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And again, Nintendo of Europe is publishing Last Window. Not NOA. This is the same story for Another Code: R, another CiNG story published by Nintendo of Europe. Never released in America. Nintendo of America is not going to release Last Window, so don't hold your breath.


That's perfectly correct. There are several factors that seems to indicate the game will never get released in the US:

1) the first time we've heard about the game outside Japan was when NoE registered a trademark for Last Window. Up to this day, no such trademark exists in the US.
2) No news of the game at E3, which is after all an American event.
3) The game was first 'revealed' for a release outside Japan by NoE in its planning for the end of the year... Ok, sometimes Europe get games before the US, but personally, it's the first time I've seen a game being announced in Europe first. (except Another Code: R, of course).
4) up to this date, we've got absolutely nothing that would indicate the game is somewhat supposed to be released outside Europe.
5) The game is available on Play-Asia. Just check how many EU games they have...

As Wooster suggested, NoA probably has other fish to fry and won't bother publishing LW in the US. Publishing a game costs quite a lot of money. It is quite time-consuming , and uses lots of ressources to translate and advertise. NoE alone is taking care of the translation, which indicates NoA hasn't taken part in the process at all.

So, my advice is: get it on Play-Asia as soon as possible, and don't expect a US release (unfortunately).
Don't forget the DS is not region-locked, and that the game will be released in English too. Things aren't really bad for LW, believe me. Take Again for example: though the game had been announced in Europe, the game has yet to be released there, and actually, I don't think Again will ever arrive in Europe. Meaning: only import, and English only. So, which is worse?
Author:  Mr. Bear Jew [ Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:48 pm ]
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So, how does translating a game in five languages work? Like, how will I know if I'm pre-ordering a copy in English and not a copy in German?
Author:  Pierre [ Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:50 pm ]
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Mr. Bear Jew wrote:
So, how does translating a game in five languages work? Like, how will I know if I'm pre-ordering a copy in English and not a copy in German?


I imagine it'd be like some of the AA games, you can adjust the language in game and the one game has all the languages.
Author:  Wooster [ Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:05 pm ]
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When you first got your DS you had to select the language your wanted your System to be in. Conceivably the game just checks that and gives you the appropriate translation.
Author:  L~A [ Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:07 pm ]
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Mr. Bear Jew wrote:
So, how does translating a game in five languages work? Like, how will I know if I'm pre-ordering a copy in English and not a copy in German?


You'll find all 5 languages on the cartridge, and to play in English, you'll just have to set your DS on 'English' (which is already the case, I suppose). If you DS is not set on either English/French/German/Italian/Spanish, the game will be set on English by default. As for the the booklet, it depends on the game (there's not always all 5 languages for the booklet), but I believe Play-Asia will order UK copies of the game. Anyway, you will still be able to play the game in English, which is the most important thing, right? :edgy:

And in case you're wondering: Play-Asia is a great and reliable website. You won't risk anything by ordering LW there, I've ordered countless games (and lots of other stuff) there, and I'm quite satisfied. It's pretty safe too, so don't worry about it!
Author:  Mayhem [ Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:18 pm ]
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Yes, the game will either check the language setting on your DS, or ask you at the start which language you wish to play in.

Play Asia's price is equivalent to the RRP of DS games here in the UK, but I never pay those prices anyhow as most of the stuff I buy online is discounted by least 15%. My pre-order for Last Window is 25 GBP for example, but as they don't ship outside the UK, then sadly no one outside can really take advantage of that.

Just a pity the next Layton game is out the previous week, it's gonna be a busy charge time on the DS next month...!
Author:  Pierre [ Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:31 pm ]
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Mayhem wrote:
Yes, the game will either check the language setting on your DS, or ask you at the start which language you wish to play in.

Play Asia's price is equivalent to the RRP of DS games here in the UK, but I never pay those prices anyhow as most of the stuff I buy online is discounted by least 15%. My pre-order for Last Window is 25 GBP for example, but as they don't ship outside the UK, then sadly no one outside can really take advantage of that.

Just a pity the next Layton game is out the previous week, it's gonna be a busy charge time on the DS next month...!


I live in the UK....what's your source?
Author:  L~A [ Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:35 pm ]
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Mayhem wrote:
Just a pity the next Layton game is out the previous week, it's gonna be a busy charge time on the DS next month...!


Actually, the 3rd Layton game has been delayed. It will only be released on the 22nd of October in Europe. Though, I don't think Last Window has anything to do with that delay. Anyway, that's still a good thing (more or less...), as Layton won't steal the spotlight from LW... not too much at least. No direct confrontation, at least!
Author:  Mr. Bear Jew [ Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:36 pm ]
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L~A wrote:
Mr. Bear Jew wrote:
So, how does translating a game in five languages work? Like, how will I know if I'm pre-ordering a copy in English and not a copy in German?


You'll find all 5 languages on the cartridge, and to play in English, you'll just have to set your DS on 'English' (which is already the case, I suppose). If you DS is not set on either English/French/German/Italian/Spanish, the game will be set on English by default.


Suddenly, the game seems like a worthwhile investment. Now I can try putting my German translation skills to work.

lol language trainer

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And in case you're wondering: Play-Asia is a great and reliable website. You won't risk anything by ordering LW there, I've ordered countless games (and lots of other stuff) there, and I'm quite satisfied. It's pretty safe too, so don't worry about it!


I've ordered stuff from Play-Asia in the past, but that $50 compared to the US price of $30-$35 that I normally pay was really discouraging.
Author:  L~A [ Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:46 pm ]
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Mr. Bear Jew wrote:
I've ordered stuff from Play-Asia in the past, but that $50 compared to the US price of $30-$35 that I normally pay was really discouraging.


Yeah, I know that's sort of expensive (though for me, when I buy LW on Amazon.fr, I'll pay the same thing as if I had bought the US version of a game on Play-Asia actually, it'll be a bit more expensive). But I wasn't referring to your post (nor any post in general), I just wrote that for all the other members who may be unsure about buying stuff on Play-Asia. Sure, P~A being a safe and reliable (and quite handy) website won't make 50$ (+ shipping costs) less expensive for you.
Author:  Velotican [ Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:16 pm ]
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The official RRP for DS games released in the UK is £34.99. At the current exchange rate, that's USD$54.15.
The official RRP for pretty much every other format is £39.99. That's USD$61.89.

If that horrifies you, I remember paying £50 ($77.38) for the original Super Smash Bros. when it was new. Game pricing in the UK is a lot better than it used to be, even if the price seems huge to Americans.

Exactly how much are you guys paying? Now I'm curious.
Author:  Bolt Storm [ Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:52 pm ]
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DS games in America are generally 30, 35, or 40 USD, while Wii games are 50 and 360/PS3 games hover around 60. PC games are all over the map, courtesy digital distribution, but are generally 50-60 USD.
Author:  Mayhem [ Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:22 pm ]
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Pierre wrote:
I live in the UK....what's your source?

ShopTo. Price might have gone up a little since I pre-ordered... //checks... by about 50p heh... still under 26 quid though.

L~A wrote:
Actually, the 3rd Layton game has been delayed. It will only be released on the 22nd of October in Europe. Though, I don't think Last Window has anything to do with that delay. Anyway, that's still a good thing (more or less...), as Layton won't steal the spotlight from LW... not too much at least. No direct confrontation, at least!

98% of my DS games are imports... I will be importing the US version of Layton like I have done the previous two games in the series ;)
Author:  Pierre [ Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:25 pm ]
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Mayhem wrote:
Pierre wrote:
I live in the UK....what's your source?

ShopTo. Price might have gone up a little since I pre-ordered... //checks... by about 50p heh... still under 26 quid though.



That's wonderful, rock on Scotland!
Author:  Vaati [ Fri Aug 27, 2010 6:31 am ]
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50p is too expensive for a DS, it´s even more expensive than a wii game!
Here in Europe ds games cost like...30 or 40p. So yeah. :lana:
Author:  Pierre [ Fri Aug 27, 2010 9:20 am ]
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Vaati wrote:
50p is too expensive for a DS, it´s even more expensive than a wii game!
Here in Europe ds games cost like...30 or 40p. So yeah. :lana:



.....p as in pence.

Mayhem can order the game for £25 and it went up by 50p to £25.50.

It's a wonderful price for a new game.
Author:  grim_tales [ Fri Aug 27, 2010 9:37 pm ]
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This has just made me have to make a hard decision - do I ask for LW or AAI for Christmas? ;)
Author:  Lusankya [ Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:16 pm ]
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Mayhem wrote:
My pre-order for Last Window is 25 GBP for example, but as they don't ship outside the UK, then sadly no one outside can really take advantage of that.

Of course they do. I often buy some games at Amazon.co.uk instead of Amazon.de (they send the items from Germany so I recieve them quite fast :godot: ). But this time it's not worth it as I had to pay 36 pounds.
Author:  TheSuperSakura [ Mon Sep 20, 2010 10:37 pm ]
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I was just wondering will this play on American DS Lites or an American DSi XL? I have both and I really want to import Last Window but I want to clarify that someone has played it on either American DS systems so I know if I order it I'll be able to actually play it.

Thanks. :pearl:
Author:  DeMatador [ Mon Sep 20, 2010 11:08 pm ]
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TheSuperSakura wrote:
I was just wondering will this play on American DS Lites or an American DSi XL? I have both and I really want to import Last Window but I want to clarify that someone has played it on either American DS systems so I know if I order it I'll be able to actually play it.

Thanks. :pearl:


Neither DS Lite, DSi nor DSi XL systems are region-locked, so you would be able to play it on both. Specially on a DS Lite, since there are a couple of games that are region-locked for the DSi/XL, but not for the Lite. And Last Window shouldn't be locked in your XL, since it works on my regular DSi.

In a couple of words, you can play it, so go buy it!
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