Yeah, who doesn't want to see teenie Apollo? There are surely tons of ways to implement him into the story.

Yeah, who doesn't want to see teenie Apollo? There are surely tons of ways to implement him into the story.

So who is this guy and why isn't Gumshoe on the box art!?!?

Conclusion: Dick Gumshoe underwent a makeover. An EXTREME makeover.

That would be Super-Special-Awesome!

...As long as we don't find out what High School he's attending. Cause that would kinda mess with my fanfic. T-T (Everything else wouldn't, thanks to the Alternate Timeline! ^^)

alright, am i the only one who definitely DON'T want to see teenie-apollo?! i'm so glad that capcom seemed to have noticed what BIG mistake GS4 was and now tries to go back in time with things like GK and PLvsAA.


anyway. I hope it'll be released shortly after the release in japan. ^^

alright, am i the only one who definitely DON'T want to see teenie-apollo?!

Actually I am totally against this, too. But nobody understood my sarcastic remark, because there is no :rolleyes: smiley in this forum. :P

The first one's job was to introduce you to some new characters and game mechanics.

Apropos game mechanic. I found it incredibly stpuid/annoying that after the investigation phase Edgeworth completely figured it out how the murder was done.
E.g. when we go to the final confrontation with Calisto in case 4 I knew everything and it was so easy to spot the contradictions.
After the investigation phases with Phoenix we usually had no clue how the murder was done, so the cross examinations were harder and more fun.

Yes, but at the same time, you are not supposed to have a game where you are supposed to solve a murder have the solution told to you, you're supposed to figure it out yourself.
Just saying.

All this talk about the box art got me thinking...

Something about the box art seems... idk... off? I'm just describing a purely emotional reaction here, but I don't think I've reacted so neutrally to any Ace Attorney box art. I want to blame "Fedora Man". You see, in the past four AA games, each "box art face" has been one of Protagonist, Partner, Rival or Mentor, without fail. So who is this guy and why isn't Gumshoe on the box art!?!?

Conclusion: Dick Gumshoe underwent a makeover. An EXTREME makeover.

Well, I guess Edgeworth just isn't cut for being a Protagonist character... At least not in a Video Game.

They should have given him an Anime instead. Or a Audio Drama. Or a Light Novel.

Because as long as he's Edgeworth, he will always figure out the truth lo~ng before we even reached the touchscreen.

Except yes he did. He went undercover as a bellboy, and as a butler. He didn't go around flaunting that he was deKiller because that would have landed him in prison and he's no fool. deKiller is a meticulous assassin. Do you think he'd really go out wearing his assassin's symbol in public, especially considering this takes place not even two years after JFA's murder and kidnapping?

It's not even like he's an inconspicuous looking guy. He has stitches down his entire face, and he knows the police know this because Phoenix got a good look at him! So did Maya! Heck, even at the end of JFA he says he's going abroad because it's too risky to do business in the States for a while. So why would he be out and about flaunting his assassin's symbol, in front of Miles Edgeworth no less!

Could AAI2 have a good explanation for this? Possibly. But as this time it does look concerning. Why is it wrong of me to point it out? Isn't that what the AA games are about? Pointing out contradictions?

And please stop putting words in my mouth. I didn't say he looked out of character or gimmicky, I said I was worried that he'd just become a gimmick because of what we'd seen so far.

Let's start with that first paragraph. What is so unnatural about DeKiller flaunting his symbol in public? Nothing at all, seeing as how only Edgeworth, Phoenix, Franziska, Adrian, Maya, Gumshoe, and Matt Engarde were the only people who knew what that symbol meant. Remember, the investigation of DeKiller, according to Edgeworth in JFA, was something only known to a few people. Keep in mind that while he was saying that, court had already been adjourned for the day - no one else was in the courtroom besides Phoenix, channeled!Mia, Adrian, and, of course, Edgeworth. The actual calling card was never described in detail in court after that, so there is no way the public would know about DeKiller's calling card.

Now for the second paragraph. Seeing how...less-than-competent the police force is in Ace Attorney universe, it's not that much of a stretch to think that they would not recognize DeKiller. As for the "unusual" feature of a stitched face...take a look at each Ace Attorney character and tell me that at least one of them looks perfectly normal - I dare you.
Now, about DeKiller's statement about not coming back to the States for a while...this point is moot. How long does "awhile" need to be, especially if the infamously incompetent police force of Ace Attorney-verse probably would not even recognize DeKiller?

But that last point about Miles Edgeworth recognizing DeKiller...I can't make a solid argument against that. Maybe DeKiller is "taking refuge in audacity" by flaunting his own calling card? From JFA, I got the impression that Edgeworth believes that DeKiller is an incredibly clever assassin. Perhaps this is DeKiller's genius method to throw off any suspicion. Perhaps DeKiller knows that Edgeworth would never think that he would use such a lousy disguise. I believe a certain quote from a Harry Potter movie sums it up: "Ah, but that's why it's so brilliant - because it's so pathetically dim-witted."

That's not quite the case. If you think about it, the characters on the box are usually the Protagonist, his Sidekick, his Rival, and a character who has a significant presence over the entire plot of the game.

But see, that doesn't hold water. Remember Adrian and Phoenix had no idea what the card was, but Edgeworth did. It caught his attention immediately, and the moment Adrian told him where she got it, HUGE red flags went up.

So we know the symbol isn't common civilian knowledge, but it *IS* something the police force knows about. Which is what makes wearing the symbol in public suicidally stupid. He's wearing a symbol that civilians SHOULDN'T know about, but that the police *do* know about. So why would a non-police-force related individual have access to that symbol? If they're the assassin or a client of the assassin.

So we know the symbol isn't common civilian knowledge, but it *IS* something the police force knows about. Which is what makes wearing the symbol in public suicidally stupid. He's wearing a symbol that civilians SHOULDN'T know about, but that the police *do* know about. So why would a non-police-force related individual have access to that symbol? If they're the assassin or a client of the assassin.

Of course, there could be an in-game explanation for this, but at this point it just seems silly to me.

But then we would have to consider another question: who hired Shelly DeKiller this time? I doubt that we would discover the answer to that in the first case. Looking back at AAI-1, the first case for AAI-2 may not be the first chronological case, either.

Dammit, now I'm getting even more excited about this game.

Now I just had the best mental image: It's all a dream.

: Hmm... ordinary day at the park. No one I know is around. You know, maybe I'll actually let myself indulge for once. Yes, perhaps get an ice cream.

*goes up to the ice cream vendor*

: Two scoops, please.

: What flavors, sir?

: OH GOD! DEKILLER IS THE ICE CREAM MAN! WAAAAGH!

*wakes up in his office, panting*

: Hey pal, I got us some sorbet for lunch. You want some?

: GET THOSE EMPTY CALORIES AWAY FROM ME!