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Not everything is always going to be backwards compatible. There will come a time when that happens for the 3DS, and then, unlike physical retail releases it's just gone.

TheRedPriest wrote:

Not everything is always going to be backwards compatible. There will come a time when that happens for the 3DS, and then, unlike physical retail releases it's just gone.

Uhm, no? Why does this myth keep on reappearing?

First of all, most consoles aren't backwards compatible. E.g. you can't play your NES games on a SNES or your SNES games on a N64, that was never a problem at all.
Second, assuming the next Nintendo handheld was not backwards compatible, it doesn't mean you can't download 3DS titles from the eShop anymore.
Third, if you already downloaded your game from the eShop you don't really have to redownload it ever again, because you can have backups of it.

Lusankya wrote:

TheRedPriest wrote:

Not everything is always going to be backwards compatible. There will come a time when that happens for the 3DS, and then, unlike physical retail releases it's just gone.

Now I'm not disagreeing with you here. I think the next nintendo handheld could have backwards compatibility but I believe the person you're quoting has the point of well what about after the next thing? That probably won't play 3DS titles. Eventually down the line of handhelds it won't run anymore. However the same also goes for physical. It could work. It could not. Nobody except nintendo knows.

Uhm, aren't all games digital? Even on the carts they are just a long octet stream.

I would be more woried of a specific game company gething hacked and their database trashed as a new trend to the new arriving digital era more than having a thief enter my home or my house burning down.

Back to the fact that the games are digital again, as I said, they would still hold a firm grasp on your game data and might not it be possible for them to delete the game if ever theres a problem with it such as ''rights being sold to another company''

What would James Rolfe`s Angry Video Game Nerd show look like with empty shelves in the Nerd Room? Think about it.

Sure you can look at it that way, but I have more faith in a cartridge than a game company`s lifespan. And when the game company expires, its not one, but all the games you owned through them that vanishes, without leaving trace of their existance. The cartridge will live on and even after breaking, is proof of the game`s existance. I might make it sound a bit dramatic hehehe.

I might make it sound a bit dramatic hehehe.

I don't see why everyone is getting their panties so twisted about not having a box. If it really means that much to you can't you just get a blank box and print out a cover to stick inside?

:pearl:

One, an actual physical release comes with a game manual.

I'm not "afraid my games will vanish", it's a matter of weather or not you can buy them again down the road if you lose/have your console stolen/missed the game when it came out. 10-20 years from now, is it reasonable to expect Nintendo or Sony to still allow aged PS3s to connect to the PSN or Nintendo 3DSs to the eshop (if the networks/services even exist) to download Dual Destinies? In the short term, no, it's not particularly unlikely I won't be able to go back and re download a game.

Digital offers a lot of cool features, and can be more convenient for some people. But it's still inherently inferior to physical media at this point due to an embarrassing lack of consumer rights regarding selling/lending and ownership. Not everything is Kindle remotely deleting your books you bought because of a copyright flub or not being able to play games you "bought" because you aren't online all the time, but it happens and CAN happen and companies have proved through their actions they have no problem with doing it. There is also the issue of being able to resell your purchases, which you can't do digitally.

9mayasato9 wrote:

One, an actual physical release comes with a game manual.

Ahahahahahahaha. I wonder when was the last time a game actually had a manual you could call a manual and not just a piece of paper with the default controls written on it.
Btw. digital versions can have a manual, too.

I don't get this forum. Ace Attorney is an incredibly niche series with a small (but dedicated) fanbase, in the grand scheme of things. The games had small prints at launch and, here at least, range from 40 to 60 euro. Used, mind you.

Do people want that to happen again, or am I misunderstanding things?

I don't understand why anyone here would say they are refusing to buy the game, if you aren't going to buy fricking AA5 then I don't know why your on an ace attorney fan website.

A lot of this has to do with peoples desires not to be limited to digital versions only - wanting this doesn't make them any less of a fan...perhaps it makes them a little confused as to how Digital Distribution CAN be a much more superior method of game distribution, but this does NOT stop them from being a fan of the series.

There are many reasons people are against Digital only products, many of these have been reasoned and discussed in the various topics found here addressing Capcoms statements regarding the games digital future...I suggest you read through and understand these particular trains of thought before accusing people of NOT being a fan just because of a personal bias against a particular distribution method.

By understanding these reasons, you will know the answers to the questions being 'posed' by yourselves!

I don't really see why they're making it "Digital Only" because they need to get the games quickly here. I waited for over a year for Professor Layton vs. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney. And I'm willing to wait another if that's what it takes for AA5 to be physicalized. And all this "quick" thing makes it seem like things are being rushed. Now I'm scared for AA5.

I feel like we'll be tossed into a multitude of cultures that we cannot comprehend properly because there wasn't enough time to properly think about how they would "localize" the scene. I mean, Case 2 is sounding really Japanese-like. So... yeah, I'm pretty much scared.

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And they expect a lot of people to buy the game when:
A. This game doesn't even have multi-language support
B. This game is digital only
C. 3DSes are region locked!

I have a feeling this is the last AA game to be localized outside of Japan. The series is dying. I'm so sad.

RobotoDomo wrote:

C. 3DSes are region locked!

(I don't know anything about C, if someone would be willing to explain :shoe:

)

RobotoDomo wrote:

I have a feeling this is the last AA game to be localized outside of Japan. The series is dying. I'm so sad.

Well, that is up for us to decide, as discussed before on this thread.

Let's not forget to remember that the 3DS has just been hacked as of a few weeks ago, so now ROMs can be played on it.

I love how some people on this thread (and the thread on Capcom-Unity.) are complaining about the lack of retail versions for Dual Destinies. You people are acting like total kids, seriously, you should be thankful that we're getting a LOCALIZED Ace Attorney game in 5 years. What's wrong with the digital release anyway? It's not like the end of the world for the series. Just because the game isn't Physical like the previous titles, doesn't mean that the game isn't playable. And besides, the digital release is way better than the physical release if you think about it for a second instead of telling people that you're not getting the game because the game's digital-only.
Seriously, grow up!
(I'm sorry about this, I just had to get it off my chest.)

Please research their reasonings before calling them out - disregarding what they're after is often what can spark more aggressive reactions...make sure you know what their arguments ARE before engaging in starting to debate their reasons!

1: the 3DS system of download isn't account based, and this is an issue for many.
2: A lot of folks aren't fond of a digital download only game/focused industry [delete as appropriate]
3: they simply cannot download the title in the way others can.

There's more than this, but I'm making sure you're aware ahead of time about the potential discussion ahead.

Author:	AnsweringNOW [ Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:46 am ]
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Well, nothing informative but in case you're interested, here's Capcom employee Chris's opinion about digital: http://www.capcom-unity.com/ace_attorne ... #535070651 Heh, another user, who acts pretty aggressive towards anyone planning to purchase AA:DD, already went ahead and called it PR speak.

Author:	Blak The Great [ Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:53 am ]
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Only problem with digital that I can agree with is the pricing. While I understand that the game isn't going to cost $15-$20, I'm more hopeful that it's around the $30 range. After all, that's how much Nintendo gave me for getting SMTIV and Fire Emblem :P

Author:	Lusankya [ Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:57 am ]
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TheRedPriest wrote: Not everything is always going to be backwards compatible. There will come a time when that happens for the 3DS, and then, unlike physical retail releases it's just gone. Uhm, no? Why does this myth keep on reappearing? First of all, most consoles aren't backwards compatible. E.g. you can't play your NES games on a SNES or your SNES games on a N64, that was never a problem at all. Second, assuming the next Nintendo handheld was not backwards compatible, it doesn't mean you can't download 3DS titles from the eShop anymore. Third, if you already downloaded your game from the eShop you don't really have to redownload it ever again, because you can have backups of it.

Author:	RoxasorSora [ Wed Aug 28, 2013 5:43 am ]
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Lusankya wrote: TheRedPriest wrote: Not everything is always going to be backwards compatible. There will come a time when that happens for the 3DS, and then, unlike physical retail releases it's just gone. Uhm, no? Why does this myth keep on reappearing? First of all, most consoles aren't backwards compatible. E.g. you can't play your NES games on a SNES or your SNES games on a N64, that was never a problem at all. Second, assuming the next Nintendo handheld was not backwards compatible, it doesn't mean you can't download 3DS titles from the eShop anymore. Third, if you already downloaded your game from the eShop you don't really have to redownload it ever again, because you can have backups of it. Now I'm not disagreeing with you here. I think the next nintendo handheld could have backwards compatibility but I believe the person you're quoting has the point of well what about after the next thing? That probably won't play 3DS titles. Eventually down the line of handhelds it won't run anymore. However the same also goes for physical. It could work. It could not. Nobody except nintendo knows.

Author:	Lusankya [ Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:12 am ]
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RoxasorSora wrote: Lusankya wrote: TheRedPriest wrote: Not everything is always going to be backwards compatible. There will come a time when that happens for the 3DS, and then, unlike physical retail releases it's just gone. Uhm, no? Why does this myth keep on reappearing? First of all, most consoles aren't backwards compatible. E.g. you can't play your NES games on a SNES or your SNES games on a N64, that was never a problem at all. Second, assuming the next Nintendo handheld was not backwards compatible, it doesn't mean you can't download 3DS titles from the eShop anymore. Third, if you already downloaded your game from the eShop you don't really have to redownload it ever again, because you can have backups of it. Now I'm not disagreeing with you here. I think the next nintendo handheld could have backwards compatibility but I believe the person you're quoting has the point of well what about after the next thing? That probably won't play 3DS titles. Eventually down the line of handhelds it won't run anymore. However the same also goes for physical. It could work. It could not. Nobody except nintendo knows. I think it's less about whether a console/handheld is backwards compatible or not, but rather about the fear to lose your games. Looking at the Sony Playstation store or Steam, it's actually nearly impossible to lose your games ever. Even in 100 years, when these services probably cease to exist you can still play your downloaded games without any problems. It's a little bit different with Nintendo, but they can't refuse to introduce an account system forever. Considering their plans to allow user to buy stuff from the eShop via smartphones and PCs I think they will introduce it sooner than later. Also if your 3DS never breaks (and come on, it's not that likely to break in the first place) you could also play your downloaded titles in many years. Also looking at the PS Vita, you can play the vast majority of the PSP titles from the PSN on it but not retail PSP titles.

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Author:	tvmadykid [ Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:18 am ]
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Professor Layton and the Arzan Legacy is coming out in europe on the the 8th of november, I really hope they don't decide to release both games at the the one time as the new layton will outsell. I know the new layton isn't being released until 2014 in NA but it's still possibile of an almost simultaneous release for Arzan Legacy and Dual Destinies.

Author:	NemesisQc [ Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:08 pm ]
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I will also refuse to buy the game upon hearing its digital only release status. I am being very mature about it, my reasoning is that everything is turning digital, there is nothing beyond Blu-Ray, It will be online movie renting or buying, just the same how music is already firmly placed into the digital era with I-tune. Now let me ask you, if every game you owned was acount based and ''Nintendo'' or ''EA'' or watever game company sells you digital games and keeps a ''record'' of it in its database. I would worry more about that than a physical cartridge because your basicaly paying the same price for them to save on material AND keeping a firm grasp on the games your supposely ''owning''. I would be more woried of a specific game company gething hacked and their database trashed as a new trend to the new arriving digital era more than having a thief enter my home or my house burning down. Back to the fact that the games are digital again, as I said, they would still hold a firm grasp on your game data and might not it be possible for them to delete the game if ever theres a problem with it such as ''rights being sold to another company'', or if they ever went bankrupt and stopped all their operations. Its not that farfetched, look at Lucasart who sold to Disney(everything branded lucasfilm/lucasart has stoped production)...or better yet, look at Star Wars Galaxies! Such a great game was trashed for the sake of game companies and their transactions. Too bad the game is digitally based (I have the physical game with discs but it doesnt work since they shut down their servers). Anyway, going back to the main point here. The digital era for GAMES is a landmine, I wont buy what I cant own. I will simply Watch a playthrough on youtube and close the book on it afterwards. Its important for a gamer to have a mix of pride and nostalgia looking at his shelf with all his games stacked together, even more so for game collectors. What would James Rolfe`s Angry Video Game Nerd show look like with empty shelves in the Nerd Room? Think about it. Buy the new AA game. Im not stopping you, just dont be a victim of the new system. And if possible, dont encourage game companies to fuck us over as it were...pardon my language. (PS: I was so let down when i heard it was digital only that its the sole reason i took the time to make an acount, ive been a lurker until now. Felt like giving my honest opinion on this.)

Author:	henke37 [ Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:16 pm ]
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Uhm, aren't all games digital? Even on the carts they are just a long octet stream.

Author:	NemesisQc [ Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:25 pm ]
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henke37 wrote: Uhm, aren't all games digital? Even on the carts they are just a long octet stream. Sure you can look at it that way, but I have more faith in a cartridge than a game company`s lifespan. And when the game company expires, its not one, but all the games you owned through them that vanishes, without leaving trace of their existance. The cartridge will live on and even after breaking, is proof of the game`s existance. I might make it sound a bit dramatic hehehe.

Author:	Professor Yoshi [ Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:39 pm ]
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NemesisQc wrote: I would be more woried of a specific game company gething hacked and their database trashed as a new trend to the new arriving digital era more than having a thief enter my home or my house burning down. I would assume a monstrous company like Nintendo has this stuff under lock and key, especially after the whole Sony/PSN hacking fiasco that happened. NemesisQc wrote: Back to the fact that the games are digital again, as I said, they would still hold a firm grasp on your game data and might not it be possible for them to delete the game if ever theres a problem with it such as ''rights being sold to another company'' I'm not even quite sure what you're referring to here. Most of the games on the e-shop are either indie games, Nintendo exclusive IP's and big name 3rd parties from the likes of Capcom and Sega. Why they would ever get rid of their heavy hitting franchises to another company is beyond me but in the event of it happening, it doesn't mean they'll wipe it off the face of the e-shop, as far as I know. NemesisQc wrote: What would James Rolfe`s Angry Video Game Nerd show look like with empty shelves in the Nerd Room? Think about it. You have to remember, that was before any of this convenience existed :/ I get what you're going for, but no doubt James uses a PC for things, it's not unreasonable to assume he uses something such as iTunes (think he even brought it up one time). Playing a role in a comedy show where a guy sits in his house endlessly playing older games because the character's life revolves around nothing else is a bit different than the average guy (not counting collectors since they do have a reason to store the packaging, etc). I mostly just put my boxes to the side and never really interact with them, choosing to keep my DS/3DS games in my DS carry-case, which is now full. I'm all for not letting game companies force us to grin and bear their nonsense, but we're in an unusual situation here. It's digital or nothing at all. NemesisQc wrote: Sure you can look at it that way, but I have more faith in a cartridge than a game company`s lifespan. And when the game company expires, its not one, but all the games you owned through them that vanishes, without leaving trace of their existance. The cartridge will live on and even after breaking, is proof of the game`s existance. I might make it sound a bit dramatic hehehe. Also, let's not get ahead of ourselves We don't know what will happen to companies, but let's just stay positive in assuming they'll be okay

Author:	BobbyBritish [ Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:35 pm ]
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I don't see why everyone is getting their panties so twisted about not having a box. If it really means that much to you can't you just get a blank box and print out a cover to stick inside?

Author:	Lusankya [ Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:07 pm ]
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NemesisQc wrote: Sure you can look at it that way, but I have more faith in a cartridge than a game company`s lifespan. And when the game company expires, its not one, but all the games you owned through them that vanishes, without leaving trace of their existance. No, that's not the case. Why would you think that? NemesisQc wrote: I might make it sound a bit dramatic hehehe. Don't worry, you don't sound dramatic but just plain stupid.

Author:	TopHatProfessor1014 [ Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:11 pm ]
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If you care about having a physical copy so much, import the Japanese one and then just download the English one. It may be stupid, but it makes about as much a sense as your reasoning for not wanting to buy it at all.

Author:	9mayasato9 [ Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:20 pm ]
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BobbyBritish wrote: I don't see why everyone is getting their panties so twisted about not having a box. If it really means that much to you can't you just get a blank box and print out a cover to stick inside? It's not the saaaaame!!! One, an actual physical release comes with a game manual. Which often has art, little hints and tidbits about the story and gameplay, and a rundown on how to play the game in case you ever forget or tend to skip through tutorials. Two, not everyone has a decent printer xD (I'd say more, but I'm running late for school...)

Author:	TheRedPriest [ Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:43 pm ]
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To address a couple folks without a 7 foot tall wall of quotes, and speaking for myself, I'm not "afraid my games will vanish", it's a matter of weather or not you can buy them again down the road if you lose/have your console stolen/missed the game when it came out. 10-20 years from now, is it reasonable to expect Nintendo or Sony to still allow aged PS3s to connect to the PSN or Nintendo 3DSs to the eshop (if the networks/services even exist) to download Dual Destinies? In the short term, no, it's not particularly unlikely I won't be able to go back and re download a game. It's long term I look at. It is ridiculous to think current hardware will be supported indefinitely. Maybe newer hardware will let you transfer you data, if they're compatible, but as has been said, backwards compatibility really isn't that common and compatibility past 1 gen is pretty much unheard of. The issue is if you lose that data (as you can a physical cart or disc) is can you buy it again. The point is, at that stage, no, you may not be able to because it's digital and not offered or no longer supported. And unlike a physical cart or disc, there is NO used market to find a new copy. Depending on if you want mint in box or just a loose cartridge of disc, you can still pretty easily get any of it. Some is pricier than others, but that's no different than ANYTHING second hand, and with digital you don't have the option to do so at any price. Digital offers a lot of cool features, and can be more convenient for some people. But it's still inherently inferior to physical media at this point due to an embarrassing lack of consumer rights regarding selling/lending and ownership. Not everything is Kindle remotely deleting your books you bought because of a copyright flub or not being able to play games you "bought" because you aren't online all the time, but it happens and CAN happen and companies have proved through their actions they have no problem with doing it. There is also the issue of being able to resell your purchases, which you can't do digitally. The list goes on and on. We have a LONG way to go before digital rights catch up to current standards, but when (if) they do, digital will be a much more attractive format for a lot of people, myself included. A lot of people who simply say "why do people want a box so bad they're dumb" don't understand the box has very little to do with it (although it does look lovely on the shelf). Sorry for the lengthy post, but I hope it helps clarify some issues some of us have. This a pretty large and complex issue though. It's unfortunate Capcom has tossed Ace Attorney into it like this.

Author:	Lusankya [ Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:45 pm ]
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9mayasato9 wrote: One, an actual physical release comes with a game manual. Ahahahahahahaha. I wonder when was the last time a game actually had a manual you could call a manual and not just a piece of paper with the default controls written on it. Btw. digital versions can have a manual, too.

Author:	Lusankya [ Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:47 pm ]
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TheRedPriest wrote: I'm not "afraid my games will vanish", it's a matter of weather or not you can buy them again down the road if you lose/have your console stolen/missed the game when it came out. 10-20 years from now, is it reasonable to expect Nintendo or Sony to still allow aged PS3s to connect to the PSN or Nintendo 3DSs to the eshop (if the networks/services even exist) to download Dual Destinies? In the short term, no, it's not particularly unlikely I won't be able to go back and re download a game. Why do you want to redownload it in the first place? You already have it on your hard drive and if you're afraid of losing it you can have back ups. Anyway, currently I can buy 20 year old games for cheap on gog.com. It's safe to assume that in the future you can still buy really old games as digital versions. I mean it's mot like they can get lost or rare. TheRedPriest wrote: Digital offers a lot of cool features, and can be more convenient for some people. But it's still inherently inferior to physical media at this point due to an embarrassing lack of consumer rights regarding selling/lending and ownership. Not everything is Kindle remotely deleting your books you bought because of a copyright flub or not being able to play games you "bought" because you aren't online all the time, but it happens and CAN happen and companies have proved through their actions they have no problem with doing it. There is also the issue of being able to resell your purchases, which you can't do digitally. You actually can "lend" games by giving your friends your account data (I do this with a friend of mine), also no one is going to delete your games just for fun and in addition you don't have to be online to play them. If you have to be online to play a (singleplayer) game, than it's usually for that game only and means all consumers are affected, even the ones with a physical copy.

Author:	Max Power [ Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:13 pm ]
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I don't get this forum. Ace Attorney is an incredibly niche series with a small (but dedicated) fanbase, in the grand scheme of things. The games had small prints at launch and, here at least, range from 40 to 60 euro. Used, mind you. Do people want that to happen again, or am I misunderstanding things?

Author:	tvmadykid [ Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:43 pm ]
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I don't understand why anyone here would say they are refusing to buy the game, if you aren't going to buy fricking AA5 then I don't know why your on an ace attorney fan website.

Author:	henke37 [ Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:19 pm ]
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If you are worried about the game getting lost to the mists of time then don't worry. There are strong forces towards unsanctioned reproduction of entertainment products. Or in simple: piracy of all things will ensure that copies will be available even after copyright has since long expired. Only like 50 years or so until the earliest games expire, right?

Author:	9mayasato9 [ Thu Aug 29, 2013 12:19 am ]
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Lusankya wrote: 9mayasato9 wrote: One, an actual physical release comes with a game manual. Ahahahahahahaha. I wonder when was the last time a game actually had a manual you could call a manual and not just a piece of paper with the default controls written on it. Btw. digital versions can have a manual, too. ... Well, Miracle Mask had one... And so did the games my bro recently bought, I think... has no more examples because has not bought any new games recently Yeah, I know. I'm just a lazybutt who'd rather have the paper out in front of me while I play and not have to go to Wii Menu/DS Menu to figure out how to play a game... And I don't want all of my art references tied to anything that requires electricity in some form if I'm drawing by hand. A lot, sure, but not all. Then what do I do if my power spontaneously goes out and I forgot to charge my handhelds/iPod/phone? (That's happened a few times, by the way. Not so often that it's a real concern, but often enough that I know how I like to keep myself entertained xD ) At any rate, I was just trying to point out there's a reason why I want a box... Aside from it looking good on my shelf and being signable at cons, that is

Author:	Sebastian Stark [ Thu Aug 29, 2013 12:37 am ]
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Quote: I don't get this forum. Ace Attorney is an incredibly niche series with a small (but dedicated) fanbase, in the grand scheme of things. The games had small prints at launch and, here at least, range from 40 to 60 euro. Used, mind you. Do people want that to happen again, or am I misunderstanding things? Quote: I don't understand why anyone here would say they are refusing to buy the game, if you aren't going to buy fricking AA5 then I don't know why your on an ace attorney fan website. A lot of this has to do with peoples desires not to be limited to digital versions only - wanting this doesn't make them any less of a fan...perhaps it makes them a little confused as to how Digital Distribution CAN be a much more superior method of game distribution, but this does NOT stop them from being a fan of the series. There are many reasons people are against Digital only products, many of these have been reasoned and discussed in the various topics found here addressing Capcoms statements regarding the games digital future...I suggest you read through and understand these particular trains of thought before accusing people of NOT being a fan just because of a personal bias against a particular distribution method. By understanding these reasons, you will know the answers to the questions being 'posed' by yourselves!

Author:	slytheus [ Thu Aug 29, 2013 1:04 am ]
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Oh well. Disappointed but expected. I think one of the reasons I would like a physical release is because that's how it was released in Japan. And while I understand this series does better in Japan, regardless, I would've liked the same. >__< Time to wait for Professor Layton vs Ace Attorney in cartridge form!

Author:	Max Power [ Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:31 am ]
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Sebastian Stark wrote: A lot of this has to do with peoples desires not to be limited to digital versions only - wanting this doesn't make them any less of a fan...perhaps it makes them a little confused as to how Digital Distribution CAN be a much more superior method of game distribution, but this does NOT stop them from being a fan of the series. There are many reasons people are against Digital only products, many of these have been reasoned and discussed in the various topics found here addressing Capcoms statements regarding the games digital future...I suggest you read through and understand these particular trains of thought before accusing people of NOT being a fan just because of a personal bias against a particular distribution method. By understanding these reasons, you will know the answers to the questions being 'posed' by yourselves! Fair enough, but here's the thing: AA does not sell millions. Capcom isn't in the position to care about anything that does not sell millions right now. Therefore, going digital for a series that's bound to make a loss for them were they to release it traditionally is a pretty clever move. It works out for them, and we still get the game, so it works out for us too.

Author:	Sebastian Stark [ Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:23 am ]
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The problem is I HAVE seen people say the following: " I'd rather the series DIE in the west than stay digital only. " Yes, this is an actual attitude - and with what seems to be the lack of Multi-5 support, we may have a problem here.

Author:	RobotoDomo [ Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:17 am ]
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I don't really see why they're making it "Digital Only" because they need to get the games quickly here. I waited for over a year for Professor Layton vs. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney. And I'm willing to wait another if that's what it takes for AA5 to be physicalized. And all this "quick" thing makes it seem like things are being rushed. Now I'm scared for AA5. I feel like we'll be tossed into a multitude of cultures that we cannot comprehend properly because there wasn't enough time to properly think about how they would "localize" the scene. I mean, Case 2 is sounding really Japanese-like. So... yeah, I'm pretty much scared. EDIT: And they expect a lot of people to buy the game when: A. This game doesn't even have multi-language support B. This game is digital only C. 3DSes are region locked! I have a feeling this is the last AA game to be localized outside of Japan. The series is dying. I'm so sad.

Author:	Tiagofvarela [ Thu Aug 29, 2013 12:34 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Capcom : Ace Attorney 5 will be digital-only in the West
RobotoDomo wrote: I don't really see why they're making it "Digital Only" because they need to get the games quickly here. I waited for over a year for Professor Layton vs. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney. And I'm willing to wait another if that's what it takes for AA5 to be physicalized. And all this "quick" thing makes it seem like things are being rushed. Now I'm scared for AA5. This 'quick' release thing seems to be more of an excuse than anything else, althogh I can't really disaprove of what you're saying here RobotoDomo wrote: I feel like we'll be tossed into a multitude of cultures that we cannot comprehend properly because there wasn't enough time to properly think about how they would "localize" the scene. I mean, Case 2 is sounding really Japanese-like. So... yeah, I'm pretty much scared. The game was translated ALONGSIDE the making of the game, if anything, the translation should look the same or better, not worse. RobotoDomo wrote: EDIT: And they expect a lot of people to buy the game when: A. This game doesn't even have multi-language support B. This game is digital only C. 3DSes are region locked! Yes... I personaly don't have a problem with any of these things, but that's me. There are plenty of people who'd need multi-language support to play it properly and because of the lack of it, they can't. I... Don't see the problem with digital only, but I do understand that there are people that do, and once again, that means that some of them won't buy the game. (I don't know anything about C, if someone would be willing to explain ) RobotoDomo wrote: I have a feeling this is the last AA game to be localized outside of Japan. The series is dying. I'm so sad. Well, that is up for us to decide, as discussed before on this thread.

Author:	dullahan1 [ Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:55 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Capcom : Ace Attorney 5 will be digital-only in the West
I glanced through and didn't see this posted yet, so if it has, I apologize. Dual Destinies priced at $30 on e-shop. Personally, that's awesome and hopefully this cheaper price will soften the blow to some of those haters out there demanding a physical release. Makes me happy since I won't need any extra money aside from the $30 I received from the SMT/FE promotion.

Author:	D.A. McCoy [ Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:53 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Capcom : Ace Attorney 5 will be digital-only in the West
Tiagofvarela wrote: RobotoDomo wrote: C. 3DSes are region locked! (I don't know anything about C, if someone would be willing to explain ) Region locking is the act of making a game system be able to play only game that are sold in the same country as the system was sold in. It's usually done to combat piracy. The original DS is not region-locked. I have an American DS, but I bought Gyakuten Kenji 2 and it plays just fine, because the DS is set up to play all DS games no matter what country they are from. (For the record, DS games aren't region-locked on the 3DS either, so you can play DS games from other countries on your 3DS. However, 3DS consoles are region-locked for 3DS games. That means since I have an American 3DS, only American 3DS games will work on the system. If I had imported a copy of Gyakuten Saiban 5, I would not be able to play it, unless of course I bought a Japanese 3DS as well. This combats piracy, but it also makes it much harder for fans in countries where the game has not been officially released to play it. However, I don't see how digital-only affects this. Since cartridges are region-locked as well, Whether the game was released physically or digitally you would still need an American/European/Australian 3DS to play it. And once you did get one of those, you could just connect to the eShop to download DD, right? So I'm confused about why region locking comes into play here at all. Tiagofvarela wrote: RobotoDomo wrote: I have a feeling this is the last AA game to be localized outside of Japan. The series is dying. I'm so sad. Well, that is up for us to decide, as discussed before on this thread. At this point the only thing we can do is wait, see how much it sells, and spread the word through word-of-mouth. I too am concerned about the series ending in the West; in fact, I've already started to begin learning Japanese so that hopefully if I need to buy a Japanese 3DS and GS6 from Japan I can understand it enough to get through it. (On the bright side, the addition of the weird-looking 2DS might be a good bet for people who need to import a 3DS system at a cheaper price). But we never know. It might sell a bunch, especially if they advertise in the PLVSPW:AA box when that comes out. All they need to do is insert a little paper about the game and I bet that would sell some more copies.

Author:	blahmoomoo [ Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:10 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Capcom : Ace Attorney 5 will be digital-only in the West
Region locking doesn't have anything to do with piracy, actually. Other things, like encryption and checksums, are anti-piracy stuff. Preventing a game from playing in a region doesn't prevent the game from being copied or whatever. There are several purposes for region locking (borrowed from Wikipedia): Pricing - games are priced based on the country the game is sold in. Region locking prevents buying games out of country at a cheaper price Sensitivity - prevents buying games (or versions of games) that aren't allowed due to religious, political, or societal reasons. For example, I'm pretty sure in Germany TF2 doesn't have blood Staggered launches - allows games to be released on a day that makes sense for the region without losing sales to another region that released earlier. In my opinion, those reasons don't really apply well to the 3DS. Importing games are always going to be more expensive, except maybe sometimes in Australia (sorry guys). Sensitivity reasons... eh, the DS got away with not doing that. Staggered launches makes some sense (example: Wonderful 101 releasing early in EU), but the extra cost of importing should already prevent losing many sales to importing. I don't import any games (except Last Window) because I only know one language, but for those who know Japanese, the fact that you need to import a Japanese 3DS to import games that will never be released elsewhere is definitely inconvenient. It's probably more annoying to Europeans who don't get some NA games, because there's probably more of them who would like games only released or localized in NA.

Author:	Wolverfrog [ Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:07 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Capcom : Ace Attorney 5 will be digital-only in the West
Let's not forget to remember that the 3DS has just been hacked as of a few weeks ago, so now ROMs can be played on it. A cursory look at just one provider of ROMS shows that historically Ace Attorney games get illegally downloaded by tens of thousands of people; and again, that's just one site and the actual count is probably much higher. With it being eShop only, pirating the game will be impossible. This might lead to higher-than-usual sales in the west, and makes a very good argument for DD-only imo.

Author:	Lusankya [ Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:24 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Capcom : Ace Attorney 5 will be digital-only in the West
Wolverfrog wrote: Let's not forget to remember that the 3DS has just been hacked as of a few weeks ago, so now ROMs can be played on it. It works through an exploit, so the 3DS hasn't been "hacked". It doesn't work with the newer firmware versions, so you're not allowed to ever update your 3DS. Also you can only have one rom per microSD card.

Author:	BonnyMono [ Sat Oct 05, 2013 6:23 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Capcom : Ace Attorney 5 will be digital-only in the West
I love how some people on this thread (and the thread on Capcom-Unity.) are complaining about the lack of retail versions for Dual Destinies. You people are acting like total kids, seriously, you should be thankful that we're getting a LOCALIZED Ace Attorney game in 5 years. What's wrong with the digital release anyway? It's not like the end of the world for the series. Just because the game isn't Physical like the previous titles, doesn't mean that the game isn't playable. And besides, the digital release is way better than the physical release if you think about it for a second instead of telling people that you're not getting the game because the game's digital-only. Seriously, grow up! (I'm sorry about this, I just had to get it off my chest.)

Author:	TopHatProfessor1014 [ Sat Oct 05, 2013 6:28 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Capcom : Ace Attorney 5 will be digital-only in the West
BonnyMono wrote: I love how some people on this thread (and the thread on Capcom-Unity.) are complaining about the lack of retail versions for Dual Destinies. You people are acting like total kids, seriously, you should be thankful that we're getting a LOCALIZED Ace Attorney game in 5 years. What's wrong with the digital release anyway? It's not like the end of the world for the series. Just because the game isn't Physical like the previous titles, doesn't mean that the game isn't playable. And besides, the digital release is way better than the physical release if you think about it for a second instead of telling people that you're not getting the game because the game's digital-only. Seriously, grow up! (I'm sorry about this, I just had to get it off my chest.) Bit late to the party, aren't you? Anyways, I do agree with you. The people who are refusing to buy the game are total idiots who shouldn't even consider themselves real fans of Ace Attorney.