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I'd actually like to see a corporate lawsuit of some kind. Odoroki becomes a public advocate and reverses roles - now he's on the plaintiff's side, fighting for the little guy, against not just one, but a WHOLE SLEW of evil defense attorneys, all part of the best legal team money can buy.

Turnabout Rainmaker anyone? |D

And then just for kicks, one of the corporate lawyers leading up the defense just so happens to have a Schwartz bracelet just like his! And then he and Odoroki have a schwartzsaber duel on the catwalks above the courtroom.

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How about Phoenix is an attorney again, all right. But it's not exactly what you expect, as we find that he is now a prosecutor! Yes, I know it wouldn't suit at first, but then again throughout the Naruhodou Arc, Wright has learned a lot about how sometimes the defendant really is guilty, especially in Case 2-4, and he's probably going to help Odo during a trial, like Edgeworth before him, as in the mentioned case. No cravats, though.
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Okay, this idea is going way out there, but here it goes anyway:

Case 1:

-Odoroki is framed for murder
-Edgeworth returns as a defense attorney mentoring a new rookie lawyer fresh of the bar
-Said lawyer defends Odoroki in court and clears his name
-Odoroki, Edgeworth, and lawyer dude become close friends

Case 2:

-Minuki is framed for murder
-Odoroki is powerless to clear her name alone
-So, said defense attorney from earlier lends a hand as Odoroki's aid
-Relationship between said lawyer and main cast grows

Case 3:

-Standard filler case with more said lawyer and main case bonding
-Foreshadows Case 4 with some mind-numbing plot twist

Case 4:

-Said lawyer is framed for murder
-Odoroki defends him in court and some epic and dramatic plot unfolds
-Also, more Edgeworth and Phoenix
-In the end, it turns out that the defendant did, in fact, kill someone but only because he was forced into doing so
-Said lawyer leaves without a trace save for a short, written leave: "Goodbye, everyone."

Oh, and ten bucks says Minuki gets framed for murder in GS5.
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Oh, and ten bucks says Minuki gets framed for murder in GS5.

I agree with him and also bet 10 bucks she'll be the defendant.
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Although it's not smart to counter ideas in this topic, I'd still like to have a word.

I don't like the idea of lawyers switching places, that means Phoenix -> Prosecutor, Edgeworth -> Defense Attorney.

First of all, Phoenix would never ever fit as a prosecutor, to me at least. It's true that he has changed after the PW era, but not completely. I would never imagine him convicting defendants, people he learnt to defend and succeeded, with the help of a perky aide. And the classroom trial is probably in his tiny head somewhere still. Remember? It's when Phoenix felt alone because nobody believed him. I'm sure he feels the same way still and is eager to defend those who needs help. There is no reason why he would NOT return as a defense attorney. To me, Prosecutor Phoenix Wright = Cheap Fanservice

Edgeworth, on the other hand... Look at the whole PW era.
Think 2-4. It's Edgeworth after all these losses and rumours of forging evidence. It's that person who Franziska claimed that Phoenix destroyed the prosecutor within. But well, wow, when he appears in 2-4, he is still a prosecutor, like, OMG. The point is, he could have given up as a prosecutor any time during that time, but he didn't. He went and learn what it means to be a prosecutor instead. He found the gist in it. And that is to pursuit the truth along with a defense attorney. He became stronger and more confident than ever.
So, if Edgeworth would appear as a full-schedule defense lawyer in GS5, a significant part of 2-4 was made for nothing.
Spoiler: 3-5
Well, 3-5 counters that claim, right? No. Edgeworth was the only person Larry was able to turn to (and it's a little bit of fanservice innit I believe)
Edgeworth made all this happen by arranging a new judge and a "new" prosecutor for this case just so he wouldn't be caught as a prosecutor standing behind the defense attorney's bench. He was only a defense attorney for that occassion.
In the PW universe, you probably need months of training for a specific type of lawyer. Edgeworth grew up as a prosecutor, learnt what it means to be a prosecutor and is still a prosecutor in 2-4. I can't see him turning into a defense attorney, because that would sort of be like giving up all these things he has learnt.

So if Edgeworth appears, I'd like him to serve as an innovation for other prosecutors. With that said, probably Kyouya learnt his honesty in court from Edgeworth?
Still, that means I'm not completely saying no-no to these things, because I believe Takumi can pull things in a FABULOUS way :pshhh:

And oh yeah. An older woman as a main prosecutor, good idea. Do Capcom take suggestions?
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Yeah, I've seen Edgeworth's spoiler images from GS3 and kind of where I got the "He becomes a defense attorney" impression from.

Spoiler: MASSIVE GS3 SPOILARZ!!!11
You know. The sprite that's wearing a defense attorney's badge.


I thought from looking at the sprite that he became a defense attorney. I guess I was wrong. :sadshoe:
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BassForever wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
Oh, and ten bucks says Minuki gets framed for murder in GS5.

I agree with him and also bet 10 bucks she'll be the defendant.

No doubt about it.
she will have to be a defendant at some point,
then again
so will Odoroki
and Kyouya

Defendant wise-
GS5- Minuki, Kyouya and 2 others.
GS6- Odoroki, Minuki again, Nick again and 1 other.
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How about Odoroki is the defense attorney but once you complete the game with him there is a mode where you play as Phoenix.
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How about Odoroki is the defense attorney but once you complete the game with him there is a mode where you play as Phoenix.

Ehh, I'd rather just get 8 original cases, 4 with Odoroki and 4 with Phoenix.
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BassForever wrote:
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How about Odoroki is the defense attorney but once you complete the game with him there is a mode where you play as Phoenix.

Ehh, I'd rather just get 8 original cases, 4 with Odoroki and 4 with Phoenix.


That's kind of where I'm getting at.
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Oh, I thought you meant like the option to use Phoenix's skin instead of Odoroki's. Exact same case but different defendant, same dialoge >.>
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Well what's the point in that?
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Well what's the point in that?

Thats why I was confused before :yogi:
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I know! GS5 should be a spinoff where, instead of doing legal stuff with Odoroki, you do hobo stuff with Hobo Phoenix.

Stuff like... People giving you alcohol and cash to fight other hobos, digging through the trash to find food, dumpster diving, and trying to get a full 8 hours of sleep in a mattress store without getting thrown out by security. Oh yeah.
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Hmm..I was just thinking of a case that had the police involved, like a detective(not Ema, nor Gumshoe), helps to cover the real murderer while the real murderer blackmails him or something..(like the the last case of the first game and the second game), however, the defendent is not guilty, and the detective takes the blame and later we learn who the real murderer is. Case that connects case, I guess...
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How about a case where Ema becomes the defendant through a strange series of events and Odoroki has to put up with a new detective that drives him through the roof. But, as it turns out the detective helping Odoroki is the one that framed Ema and gives Odoroki all this pointless evidence that leads to nowhere. Eventually, Odoroki catches on and points out the phony detective for what he is and Ema's name is cleared.

Sounds weird but I'd wager that the developing team at Capcom could throw something like this together.

Though, if I'm not imagining things, I assume that something like this has been done in 3-2. Correct me if I'm wrong (BUT DON'T SPOIL THE GAME!!!).
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Well then the detective being the true culprit would be pretty obvious, don't you think? Anyone can make a guess that he's the murderer.
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Dual Case system!
i.e
Odoroki takes two (seemingly unrelated) cases at once,
however,
when two of the court dates clash due to strikes etc,
a reinstated Nick takes one of the cases,
and...
The cases somehow connect...
two not guiltys!
and twice the breakdowns!
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I just hope :kyouya: wont be another :edgeworth: I mean like
making him appear as the fourth case prosecutor in GS5
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My guess is that Kyouya will be the main prosecutor throughout the Odoroki series, unless Capcom finds some way to put him in the defendant's chair or replaces him with another prosecutor.
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Every game so far has had a new main prosecutor (with Payne up first and a "guest" prosecutor in case 4), so I don't see how GS5 would be any different.

I'm gonna put my money on an older, female prosecutor! :O
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My guess is that Kyouya will be the main prosecutor throughout the Odoroki series, unless Capcom finds some way to put him in the defendant's chair or replaces him with another prosecutor.


that would make it really boring :nick:
and judging from :kyouya: side of the story in GS4 there are no point in bringing him as a prosecutor again
since obviously it's almost over unless they try to bring up some excuse for him to appear in GS5 as a prosecutor
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Every game so far has had a new main prosecutor (with Payne up first and a "guest" prosecutor in case 4), so I don't see how GS5 would be any different.

I'm gonna put my money on an older, female prosecutor! :O


4-4 didn't really have a guest prosecutor.
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It sort of did :B (Teeny Kyouya isn't quite the same as normal Kyouya...?)
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E~A wrote:
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Takumi was forced to write GS4 under only two specific conditions, and one of them was that he had to keep Phoenix in. There's no chance of Phoenix getting killed.

Now, beaten within an inch of his life and hospitalized for the course of the entire game, now THAT would be interesting. Or if he woke up before the last day of trial and insisted the person who did it was the one Odoroki had already agreed to defend!

*dramadramadramadramadrama*


What was this other condition?

It could be the key to this entire series!


It's listed near the bottom of http://www.court-records.net/interviews/gs4blog.htm ... the last entry implies that "XXXXXXXXXXXXX" might be revealed later. Since it is indeed later, there are more posts on the Japanese blog page. I'll see if Google feels like being a coherent translator. (Better than nothing, I suppose.)

Here's the excerpt referenced from the translated version, linked above.

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For those of you who are new to the series, let me explain. The protagonist of the first three games was a young lawyer by the name of "Ryuuichi Naruhodou." Though each of the individual episodes stand alone, the whole trilogy comes together to form one complete story.

...that story came to its conclusion with Gyakuten Saiban 3. I don't want to add any new episodes to it.

This was how I honestly felt when I first heard of the decision to make GS4. On the other hand, knowing that players are calling out for a sequel is the best feeling in the world for a game designer... this was also my honest feeling. So I thought it over, and I came to this answer:

"If we're going to make an official sequel, it should be a completely new story."

That way, newcomers to the series would be able to jump right in and enjoy themselves, and we might even be able to come up with some new surprises!

...and that's how I stated my case. Sounds reasonable, right? In a way, though, this was selfishness on my part, though, and I was fully prepared for the possibility that I'd be denied. The response?

"Sure, go ahead."

Such compassionate people here at Capcom! However, they gave me two conditions.

-> You have to bring back characters from the original series... or at least Phoenix Wright.
-> You have to address XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX in the story.


To be honest, both of these orders were extremely difficult for me. With it being a new story, I didn't just want to bring back Phoenix as he always was. At the same time, I also wouldn't want him to upstage the new protagonist. So... what to do? Plus, I need to find a way work XXXXXXXXXXXXXX into the story!

...not a simple task.

By the way, as for what XXXXXXXXXXXXXX is... Unfortunately, I can't reveal this yet... not before release. I may eventually explain here on this blog, but either way, I think you'll understand if you play the game to completion.


The next post that appears to reference it would be http://www.capcom-fc.com/saiban4/2007/04/post_9.html. But I can't read Japanese, and Google's auto-translator is being... difficult... to comprehend.
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Well then the detective being the true culprit would be pretty obvious, don't you think? Anyone can make a guess that he's the murderer.


Well then, Capcom would make the detective seem completely unrelated to the murder and pass him off as just another detective tracking down the real criminal in the pursuit of justice. But, what everyone doesn't realize is that behind the scenes he's pulling the strings. And, all is revealed to Odoroki on Day 3 and everyone else on Day 4 in court.

Remember: No one would suspect a thing. ~_-

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Every game so far has had a new main prosecutor (with Payne up first and a "guest" prosecutor in case 4), so I don't see how GS5 would be any different.

I'm gonna put my money on an older, female prosecutor! :O


:holdit:

Kyouya doesn't prosecute in 4-4?!
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He does, but there's the flashback case, and that's...sort of not normal Kyouya...?
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He was Clark-Kent-ing! He just changes his clothes and puts on some silly glasses and NOBODY KNOWS IT'S HIM, OMG
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XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Does anyone have any guesses as to what that is? I can't think of anything special they addressed in GS4 to make it required for making a game >.>
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I thought we'd established that XXXXXXXXXXX was the jury system... am I wrong?
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I thought we'd established that XXXXXXXXXXX was the jury system... am I wrong?

That actually would make alot of sence, why else would they include it? :udgy:

Edit: Anyone else notice how the two "If you want to make a sequel include A and B" are the two things most fans complain about <.<

Kinda sick irony, the two things most fans hate in GS4 are the two things that were required for there to be a GS4 :grey: .
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I thought we'd established that XXXXXXXXXXX was the jury system... am I wrong?

That actually would make alot of sence, why else would they include it? :udgy:

Edit: Anyone else notice how the two "If you want to make a sequel include A and B" are the two things most fans complain about <.<

Kinda sick irony, the two things most fans hate in GS4 are the two things that were required for there to be a GS4 :grey: .


You're talking about Phoenix and the jury system, right?
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The only thing really wrong with the Jury System (asuming you mean separate from the Mason System) was that it snubbed out the gameplay for the last part of 4-4's trial. I thought it was interesting and played and great role in the plot, but I did miss not being able to present a final piece of evidence.

Here's hoping they tweak it a little for next time, if it's going to be used again.
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4-4's final court scene really had no gameplay, it was just (A, A, A, A, A, A, A, A, A, A, A, A, A, A, A, NOT GUILTY OR GUILTY, A A A, etc.).
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wonder who the first case's defendant :yuusaku: all the games so far had
a defendant who at least appear twice through the the series :
first game : :larry2:
second : :maggy:
third : :sick:
forth : :hobohodo:
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Well it's a given that Phoenix would reappear.
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OOH! I KNOW! The last case of the game should allow you to play as both Phoenix and Odoroki at the same time, the case would be similar in concept to 1-5, same person murdered by two different people, at the same time in different places, both cases have defendants that are different so Odoroki is hired by one and Phoenix is hired by the other, that would allow for a system like the Mason where 1/2 the areas you can explore are with Phoenix, the other 1/2 are with Odoroki.
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