Re: What part should Phoenix play in GS5?
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But my point was that you would have different testimonies, so you would have to present DIFFERENT evidence, making it have replay value.
But it would never happen, you're right.
What if they introduce some other random attorney a la Apollo-style? Like, a new attorney with a random astronomy-related name and 'Truth' or something law-ish was his last name?
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Also why bother with a new attorney? It'd annoy the Nick fans (it's not Nick) and it'd annoy the Apollo fans (theres still lotsa potential for Apollo) it just seems.....odd to demand a new attorney so soon when Apollo still has some shelf life left.
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Yeah, but the "evil attourney" plot has already been done in Apollo Justice.
Well, it was done the second we got to know Kristoph. I want to see them do that, take somebody on your side for most of the game to give you a good impression of them, and then make them out to be the killer. Screw Mr. New Attorney, it could be any sort of character.
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No, but you would lose because you had a corrupt jurist. ...The more corrupt the jury is, the harder the gameplay. The number of corrupt jurists grows, until it's almost completely corrupt, .
The main problem is that they just had a game which was supposed to be purporting a positive spin on jurists systems, not that they're the corruption system from Hell. So a game based on the premise that Japan's shiny new jurist system is inherently corrupt doesn't sound like a likely or sensible tactical direction. The fact the GS4 jurists system is so corrupt and rigged was an accident of pathetic writing, I assume.
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What if they introduce some other random attorney a la Apollo-style? Like, a new attorney with a random astronomy-related name and 'Truth' or something law-ish was his last name?
Yes, Zeus Truth. I think if they did this tactic they would return Apollo as a major but non-protagonist character. It seems a bit stupid though, it's just Matsukawa refused to rule out a new attorney [or anything else] in that interview.
Maybe the new protagonist could turn out to be the killer/evil :)
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Whoever said nothing was impossible obviously never tried to close a revolving door.
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It would have to be something pertaining to fire, and the Truth pun is already kinda taken by Trucy. Mercury Artemis, perhaps? [Artemis is protector of the agora in Greek Mythology, that's the closest mythology reference to protection I can find]
Artemis would be better for a girl prosecutor. Y'know, the Hunter and all.
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Or here's something, zee traitor can be "Artemis Justice", har de har har har.
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It would have to be something pertaining to fire, and the Truth pun is already kinda taken by Trucy. Mercury Artemis, perhaps? [Artemis is protector of the agora in Greek Mythology, that's the closest mythology reference to protection I can find]
Artemis would be better for a girl prosecutor. Y'know, the Hunter and all.
Tell that to Artemis Fowl,
Still Artemis 'the hunter' would totally work for a female prosecutor, due to her name she'd probably get a bow too (blunted arrows of course).
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Yeah, but the "evil attourney" plot has already been done in Apollo Justice.
Well, it was done the second we got to know Kristoph. I want to see them do that, take somebody on your side for most of the game to give you a good impression of them, and then make them out to be the killer. Screw Mr. New Attorney, it could be any sort of character.
That is a good point - I think the Kristoph-is-evil reveal would have been even better if it had been left til 4-2 (or something like that), or indeed, the last case altogether.
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Herr Blondie wrote:
RobbieValiant wrote:
BBdoubleB wrote:
It would have to be something pertaining to fire, and the Truth pun is already kinda taken by Trucy. Mercury Artemis, perhaps? [Artemis is protector of the agora in Greek Mythology, that's the closest mythology reference to protection I can find]
Artemis would be better for a girl prosecutor. Y'know, the Hunter and all.
Tell that to Artemis Fowl,
The villains make fun of him all the time for that, y'know. Although, quick and easy trash-talk for the prosecutor, after all.
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Still Artemis 'the hunter' would totally work for a female prosecutor, due to her name she'd probably get a bow too (blunted arrows of course).
Awesome. Although, blunted arrows would probably just hurt more. Maybe suction-cup arrows?
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Awesome. Although, blunted arrows would probably just hurt more. Maybe suction-cup arrows?
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Awesome. Although, blunted arrows would probably just hurt more. Maybe suction-cup arrows?
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Ouch. Arrow in the brain, apparently.
Why is Apollo still standing, though? He should probably be dead or something.
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00Davo wrote:
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00Davo wrote:
Awesome. Although, blunted arrows would probably just hurt more. Maybe suction-cup arrows?
:takethat:
Ouch. Arrow in the brain, apparently.
Why is Apollo still standing, though? He should probably be dead or something.
Suction cups would work....think of the hilarious sweating sprite of Apollo with a big arrow splotted on his head.
But.....for this reason I think since the concept is so childlike the prosecutor should be like.....13 if not younger.
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Suction cups would work....think of the hilarious sweating sprite of Apollo with a big arrow splotted on his head.
But.....for this reason I think since the concept is so childlike the prosecutor should be like.....13 if not younger.
But.....for this reason I think since the concept is so childlike the prosecutor should be like.....13 if not younger.
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Daniel Fairhammer wrote:
these are actually suction cups arrows.....
Really? In the pic, it looks like the arrow made a big hole in Apollo's head...
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Suction cups would work....think of the hilarious sweating sprite of Apollo with a big arrow splotted on his head.
But how would his thinking sprite work?!? He can't push his finger into his brain, 'cause the arrow's in the way!
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and to answer your question....
Phoenix neither had the cup of godots coffe cup at his head after godot threw it to him...
so i think apollo remove it after the shot,like Phoenix removed the coffecup and cleaned his face
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Phoenix neither had the cup of godots coffe cup at his head after godot threw it to him...
so i think apollo remove it after the shot,like Phoenix removed the coffecup and cleaned his face
so i think apollo remove it after the shot,like Phoenix removed the coffecup and cleaned his face
Now, there's a question: how did Phoenix clean himself so effectively? His hair was clearly soaked in the coffee sprite, yet perfectly dry again a few seconds later. Also, why's the coffee brown in that sprite? When Godot deskslams the coffee, it's clearly black.
My previous question was actually intended to be a joke, but it's raised these new ones from the misunderstanding, so that's cool.
We're getting kinda offtopic, though...
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But Phoenix should either get another game, or at least take over for Apollo in one case when Apollo is incapacitated. 3-5 anyone?
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There are two options for Phoenix: become a defense attorney again, or, build the jurists court thing. Perhaps he can do both? He rarely ever took cases anyways....
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Though on a more serious note, I dislike Apollo, Phoenix stole Apollo's thunder because Apollo can not do things on his own, being bailed out by Phoenix or Trucy all the time, heck, Trucy would be a better Defence, perhaps that is what the next game should be, a courtroom drama with elements of rhythm music games and micromanagement of the Talent Agency, a Dinner Dashesque mini-game with Godot and platform-like tomb raider crossed with Castlevania with Von Karma and her whip.
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Decided, GS5 should be a music type game with a career mode for Phoenix as he stumbles from venue to venue attempting to play the piano.
And, as an added bonus, you get to play as Machi or Klavier.
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As much as I disliked the idea of Apollo Justice and the disbarring of Phoenix Wright, I have a feeling that Apollo's here to stay, and Phoenix will have to be shunted to the side as a mentor, similar to the mentor role that Mia played in the first three games. Although how Phoenix would help I'm not entirely sure. I mean, Apollo already has Trucy there, who seems like a really intelligent girl who can help Apollo all by herself.
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And yet I want to see Phoenix more and more =\ so I understand why Apollo-lovers want Phoenix out of the way, I suppose. Either way: there's always fanfiction. =]
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I hated the role Mia played. Well, not hated, but disliked greatly. Her past overshadowed practically all three games.
I think that's a bit of an exaggeration. Besides, Mia's past is connected to the Fey clan's, of which a great deal of the original trilogy's plot is about. She is one of the main characters of the story after all.
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And I wanted Phoenix to be able to motivate himself rather than getting these hints from a woman that seriously wouldn't stay dead.
Why shouldn't be Phoenix allowed to have help from his mentor? Even skilled people need help once in a while. Also, regarding her not staying dead, being channeled by Maya and Pearl was a clever way to show off the Fey channeling technique.
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Which is why, I think, my favorite cases are the Maya-gets-kidnapped-or-accused cases because then she wouldn't constantly be a source of help.
What are you talking about? When that happens, she gets channeled by Pearl so Mia can help Phoenix in the trials.
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If they kill Phoenix, they've effectively killed the franchise.
What's the drastic difference between being dead and not in the game? I think that's the best way to remove him from the franchise: Bring him down in a blaze of honor rather than just say he's banging Maya and Iris overseas. Phoenix deserves that much.
Pairing Phoenix up with someone seems to be the thing on most people's wish lists. But if they did. It wouldn't be with
, or even 
. Guarantee you it'd be 
. I mean why would 
want a "new mommy" if she knew her real one was still arround? She might push Thalissa onto Phoenix as 
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Or they could have case one with Apollo, and then kill him for a nice WHAM moment. It'd jar everyone, but that would actually be cool as a plot point- Apollo's death from seemingly nowhere affects Nick, motivating him to retake the bar, and we get a good story from it- Nick getting back into the game, seeing how radically other characters have changed over the years, etc. Maybe even a Rocky-esque loss along the way.
Yeah I agree it would jar everyone, I think it may go something like this:
1. Phoenix murdered
2. Trucy commits suicide and Apollo is an unemployed cynic
3. This scars Thalassa
4. Valant quits performing due to the effects on Thalassa and trucy's suicide
5. The town becomes more stressed and Vera becomes very upset because of what happened to Apollo and Valant retiring
6. Crime rate increases
7. Vera is too scared to leave her house again, Kitaki's legitmate buisiness faces trouble, and Ema gets really stressed by the extra work and the death of a friend
8. Kitaki's can't legitimately afford the surgery, Ema starts going crazy
9. Kitaki's forced to return to gangster work
10. Even higher crime rate, but the surgery is paid for, Winfred get's killed by rival gangster though
11. Wocki takes over, and Kitakis stay as gangsters, Ema even more stressed, Vera is more scared.
12. Ema is further gone, Kitakis hire Vera to prevent their people from getting arrested
13. The Kitakis become very powerful, and this power corrupts Wocki
14. The Kitaki family starts to take over the city
15. No one cares about noodles anymore
16. Eldoon becomes a doctor again
17. The Kitaki family recruits Eldoon
18. Kitaki family more powerful, Wocki more corrupt
19. The Kitaki family gains control over the courts
20. Ema becomes a danger to herself and others
21. Ema is taken to an insane asylum
22. The other detectives now have a larger share of the massive workload
23. they go crazy
24. there are no detectives
25. the police are gone from the city
26. Anarchy
27. The Kitaki family takes over and the city becomes ruled by a monarch
28. the Monarchy expands and becomes an empire
29. Emporer Kitaki is tyranical and incredibly corrupt
30. Lots of bad things happen in the new Empire
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How the hell would that be a game? Sounds more like a fanfic an AJ hater would make.
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How the hell would that be a game? Sounds more like a fanfic an AJ hater would make.
And yet it still sounds better then most Sonic the Hedgehog fan fiction.
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I think that Phoenix's role should be Partner.
Think about it, one of the coolest aspects of T&T and AJ was playing through as another lawyer.
Some cases could be played out as Phoenix (who repassed the bar exam), while others could be played as Apollo.
They could even split up Investigative phases as "Meanwhile..."!
For example, Phoenix could find out that the victim, a superintendant, bullied the defendant in high school, while Apollo discovers that the prosecution's most valuable witness, a teacher, was denied tenure by the victim with the intent of firing him.
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I'd be okay if he doesn't get his badge back and plays some other role, such as partner or just another character, maybe even defendant (Again... Though I'd rather have Trucy involved in something, like Maya did in 1-2 and 2-2). I want Apollo to stand on his own and show us he can truly shine as a lawyer. I feel he had too much help in GS4, and while Phoenix also received a lot of help, he did show a lot of talent at times where he was alone.
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I want Apollo to stand on his own and show us he can truly shine as a lawyer. I feel he had too much help in GS4, and while Phoenix also received a lot of help, he did show a lot of talent at times where he was alone.
Very true. I feel the same way. And the first case could be Phoenix is unable to help somehow (tending to sick Trucy, maybe?), and Apollo has to go it alone. And it could either feature a comic relief villain (like AA and JFA. My personal choice) or setup for the finale (like T&T and AJ).
He could stomp Payne without any assistance, showcasing his newfound legal prowess (no doubt picked up from Phoenix
).Then, after the trial, it would be revealed that Phoenix and Apollo are now law partners. And the story goes on from there.
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I kinda want him to be a lawyer, still. A glorious, sleazeball jerk with a heart of gold(I believe I saw this in a sprite topic, suit and sandals FTW), who takes all the easy cases because he's been out of work so long(waking up at 10AM for court? Ick) and doesn't want to deal with murders.
...Leaving them all for Apollo :D
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I tell you what, one game out of the spotlight and everyone thinks your lazy.....
Phoenix (in AJ) had been working and gathering evidence on the Gramarye case for 7 years!
7 years of work for the right verdict. Now that is dedication and diligence.
And they could still have him wear sandals.....that would be a funny in-game joke.
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