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And that's the rub. Phoenix fans (like me) were major pissed when Apollo hijacked the series, but if they dropped Apollo like a bad habit now, then the Apollo fans (such a Lind_L_Tailor) would revolt. Balance is the key. And, as we've seen in Trials & Tribulations, Capcom can successfully balance, not one, but THREE playable characters to great effect. So......here's hoping. 
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I'm sorry....they didn't balance it in trials and tribulations...Mia was most definately a side character she wasn't balanced she was significantly not as important. I feel the same would happen if Nick and Apollo joined up.
Ideally Nick wouldn't have been in AJ1 it woulda given Apollo a bit of freedom rather than being in Nick's shadow.
Besides after Nick became so.....certain and calm in AJ1 I can't ever imagine him freaking out at a penalty in court again.
Ideally Nick wouldn't have been in AJ1 it woulda given Apollo a bit of freedom rather than being in Nick's shadow.
Besides after Nick became so.....certain and calm in AJ1 I can't ever imagine him freaking out at a penalty in court again.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, make GK2 with Phoenix and Maya as major chars. ['investigation' doesn't necessarily require him to be a lawyer.] Playable Phoenix for part of the game aka Edgeworth 3-5. Then they can have a separate game with Apollo and without Phoenix, for the Apollo fans. Attempts at placating everyone in the same game just makes a substandard unbalanced mess like GS4.
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icer wrote:
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, make GK2 with Phoenix and Maya as major chars. ['investigation' doesn't necessarily require him to be a lawyer.] Playable Phoenix for part of the game aka Edgeworth 3-5. Then they can have a separate game with Apollo and without Phoenix, for the Apollo fans. Attempts at placating everyone in the same game just makes a substandard unbalanced mess like GS4.
Honestly, icer, get over yourself, you can't have Phoenix in every single freaking game. It's just an unrealistic business strategy. If you keep using the same character, the same way, in every game you make. You'll lose fans by the boatloads, in the end, the only ones who will stay on will be the fanatics who will buy anything Phoenix and his posse is featured in.
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icer wrote:
Then they can have a separate game with Apollo and without Phoenix, for the Apollo fans.
Honestly, icer, get over yourself, you can't have Phoenix in every single freaking game. It's just an unrealistic business strategy.
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I just didn't feel like it was worth mentioning because it seemed like a half-assed solution.
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Also yes it's true Nick appearing in GS4 screwed things but it ain't us Apollo fans, fault we can't help it if the writers were forced into it, we don't hate Nick either we just feel so long as he's ramming his face onto every game new stories like the untold adventures of Edgeworth and Gumshoe and Apollo's fledgling career can never bloom. So stop forcing Nick into everything, surely you can see there is little left to run on with Nick's story?
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I still say that Phoenix and Apollo can split time and make it work. If it means we need more cases in a game, so be it. If that means we may have to wait more than a year for a game, then that's fine, too. Regardless, I don't want AA to remain the short hit of game crack that all the previous games have been. T&T was the only one with real lenth. I never want to see a half-assed 4-case game ever again.
That said, has GK2 been confirmed? GK1 has barely been out.
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Herr Blondie wrote:
All I can really distinguish is....you say Apollo doesn't have most of the spotlight but he at least is in it 
That would kinda mean he IS in Nick's shadow right?
That would kinda mean he IS in Nick's shadow right?Kinda but kinda not. It is complicated to explain without proper evidence sir.
I mean there is no proof he was in his shadow. Just that all the fans like phoenix.. Hm?
Blackjack also makes a funny point. but those are icons. This is a series. phoenix is still an icon.
Just that he erm isnt in action so to speak. As fans all we can do is wait.
See apollo was handling his own cases.. mostly on his own. But with little assistance. Phenoix wasnt relatively in the spotlight but in the cricle of affairs. I mean he lost his badge from the entire charade. When phenoix was solving the Fey problems no one was pointing out the game centered around the feys hmm??
I say let him get another game. I want to see how they handle apollo and phenoix. I just hope they dont completely trash the guy and let him stay a /Unhappy hobo.
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Mr.wise wrote:
Herr Blondie wrote:
All I can really distinguish is....you say Apollo doesn't have most of the spotlight but he at least is in it That would kinda mean he IS in Nick's shadow right?
That would kinda mean he IS in Nick's shadow right?Kinda but kinda not. It is complicated to explain without proper evidence sir.
I mean there is no proof he was in his shadow. Just that all the fans like phoenix.. Hm?
Blackjack also makes a funny point. but those are icons. This is a series. phoenix is still an icon.
Just that he erm isnt in action so to speak. As fans all we can do is wait.
See apollo was handling his own cases.. mostly on his own. But with little assistance. Phenoix wasnt relatively in the spotlight but in the cricle of affairs. I mean he lost his badge from the entire charade. When phenoix was solving the Fey problems no one was pointing out the game centered around the feys hmm??
I say let him get another game. I want to see how they handle apollo and phenoix. I just hope they dont completely trash the guy and let him stay a /Unhappy hobo.
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You guys are right. There's no way a character can star in more than 3 compelling games. We'd better kill off Mario, Link, Solid Snake and countless other characters too.
I still say that Phoenix and Apollo can split time and make it work. If it means we need more cases in a game, so be it. If that means we may have to wait more than a year for a game, then that's fine, too. Regardless, I don't want AA to remain the short hit of game crack that all the previous games have been. T&T was the only one with real lenth. I never want to see a half-assed 4-case game ever again.
That said, has GK2 been confirmed? GK1 has barely been out.
I still say that Phoenix and Apollo can split time and make it work. If it means we need more cases in a game, so be it. If that means we may have to wait more than a year for a game, then that's fine, too. Regardless, I don't want AA to remain the short hit of game crack that all the previous games have been. T&T was the only one with real lenth. I never want to see a half-assed 4-case game ever again.
That said, has GK2 been confirmed? GK1 has barely been out.
Mario is often considered a joke the amount of things he's done, same with Sonic. Snake has STARRED in 2 real big games (excluding the normal Metal Gear NOT Solid ones).
MGS1: Him
MGS2: Him briefly but mostly Raiden and it's worth noting THIS happened, lots of people don't like Raiden cause he's not Snake and don't think he fills his boots well, similar to Nick and Apollo.
MGS3: Naked Snake NOT Solid Snake prequel.
MGS4: Snake.
So really all you've got is MGS1 and 4, also I've heard many people ridicule Link for the fact all his games follow the same path essentially and it's boring, grab master sword use whatever titular tool you have beat Ganon/Ganondorf, rinse and repeat. Even then the games feature different incarnations so the worlds stay fresh and new.
Besides Mario isn't even a story driven game! It's as simple as rescue the princess, we don't explore his backstory to when he was young, don't look at his dark secrets. AA is different and Nick doesn't have anything left to give story-wise
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Well, maybe Phoenix could appear in the first case of the game, and then just disappear until the very end of the game.
Yea, this, actually.
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You guys are right. There's no way a character can star in more than 3 compelling games. We'd better kill off Mario, Link, Solid Snake and countless other characters too.
I still say that Phoenix and Apollo can split time and make it work. If it means we need more cases in a game, so be it. If that means we may have to wait more than a year for a game, then that's fine, too. Regardless, I don't want AA to remain the short hit of game crack that all the previous games have been. T&T was the only one with real lenth. I never want to see a half-assed 4-case game ever again.
That said, has GK2 been confirmed? GK1 has barely been out.
I still say that Phoenix and Apollo can split time and make it work. If it means we need more cases in a game, so be it. If that means we may have to wait more than a year for a game, then that's fine, too. Regardless, I don't want AA to remain the short hit of game crack that all the previous games have been. T&T was the only one with real lenth. I never want to see a half-assed 4-case game ever again.
That said, has GK2 been confirmed? GK1 has barely been out.
Mario is often considered a joke the amount of things he's done, same with Sonic. Snake has STARRED in 2 real big games (excluding the normal Metal Gear NOT Solid ones).
MGS1: Him
MGS2: Him briefly but mostly Raiden and it's worth noting THIS happened, lots of people don't like Raiden cause he's not Snake and don't think he fills his boots well, similar to Nick and Apollo.
MGS3: Naked Snake NOT Solid Snake prequel.
MGS4: Snake.
So really all you've got is MGS1 and 4, also I've heard many people ridicule Link for the fact all his games follow the same path essentially and it's boring, grab master sword use whatever titular tool you have beat Ganon/Ganondorf, rinse and repeat. Even then the games feature different incarnations so the worlds stay fresh and new.
Besides Mario isn't even a story driven game! It's as simple as rescue the princess, we don't explore his backstory to when he was young, don't look at his dark secrets. AA is different and Nick doesn't have anything left to give story-wise
<sigh> Fine. I had bad examples. Whatever. My point remains that any of the cases Apollo did, Phoenix could have done just as well. Have Edgeworth be disbarred and there you go.
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Phoenix specifically said that he needed Apollo, not just because Phoenix couldn't legally clear his name and needed someone to do it for him, but because Apollo has a unique power he doesn't. Where Phoenix's magatama was unable to deal with the secrets of Kristoph, Apollo's bracelet could. The two people operate differently each have their own tools which work best in certain situations but umm...why disbar Edgeworth?
What's he ever done wrong?
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Herr Blondie wrote:
Wrong again Blackjack
Phoenix specifically said that he needed Apollo, not just because Phoenix couldn't legally clear his name and needed someone to do it for him, but because Apollo has a unique power he doesn't. Where Phoenix's magatama was unable to deal with the secrets of Kristoph, Apollo's bracelet could. The two people operate differently each have their own tools which work best in certain situations but umm...why disbar Edgeworth?
What's he ever done wrong?
Phoenix specifically said that he needed Apollo, not just because Phoenix couldn't legally clear his name and needed someone to do it for him, but because Apollo has a unique power he doesn't. Where Phoenix's magatama was unable to deal with the secrets of Kristoph, Apollo's bracelet could. The two people operate differently each have their own tools which work best in certain situations but umm...why disbar Edgeworth?
What's he ever done wrong?PRESENT FORGED EVIDENCE
Phoenix managed to solve all his cases just fine, including 'Apollo's' 4-1 and 4-4. The 'power' he was lacking was the empowerment of a defense attorney badge. The bracelet was not strictly 'necessary' to taking down Kristoph. Phoenix was attracted to Apollo's 'power' for Trucy's sake as much as his own, since he saw the same power Trucy had and so a possible lead to the mysteries of her family et al.
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Wrong again Blackjack
Phoenix specifically said that he needed Apollo, not just because Phoenix couldn't legally clear his name and needed someone to do it for him, but because Apollo has a unique power he doesn't. Where Phoenix's magatama was unable to deal with the secrets of Kristoph, Apollo's bracelet could. The two people operate differently each have their own tools which work best in certain situations but umm...why disbar Edgeworth?
What's he ever done wrong?
Phoenix specifically said that he needed Apollo, not just because Phoenix couldn't legally clear his name and needed someone to do it for him, but because Apollo has a unique power he doesn't. Where Phoenix's magatama was unable to deal with the secrets of Kristoph, Apollo's bracelet could. The two people operate differently each have their own tools which work best in certain situations but umm...why disbar Edgeworth?
What's he ever done wrong?I meant (admittedly I wasn't especially clear) that if AJ was a PW game, that if Edgeworth was disbarred for presenting forged evidence, then it would have a similar effect on Phoenix emotionally that Phoenix's did on Apollo. Someone they respect doing the unthinkable. Edgeworth then spends the next several years collecting evidence on the case and, when the time is right, he and Phoenix defeat the true villain.
Sounds to me like AJ in a nutshell. Replace Apollo with Phoenix and Hobohodo with Edgeworth and there you go. And Trucy could be replaced by any new character. Or, since she's new herself, they could have finangled it to where Trucy was Nick's sister! <what a twist!>
All it takes is a little moving of characters. Apollo is nothing especially unique or awesome is my point.
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icer wrote:
Herr Blondie wrote:
Wrong again Blackjack
Phoenix specifically said that he needed Apollo, not just because Phoenix couldn't legally clear his name and needed someone to do it for him, but because Apollo has a unique power he doesn't. Where Phoenix's magatama was unable to deal with the secrets of Kristoph, Apollo's bracelet could. The two people operate differently each have their own tools which work best in certain situations but umm...why disbar Edgeworth?
What's he ever done wrong?
Phoenix specifically said that he needed Apollo, not just because Phoenix couldn't legally clear his name and needed someone to do it for him, but because Apollo has a unique power he doesn't. Where Phoenix's magatama was unable to deal with the secrets of Kristoph, Apollo's bracelet could. The two people operate differently each have their own tools which work best in certain situations but umm...why disbar Edgeworth?
What's he ever done wrong?PRESENT FORGED EVIDENCE
Phoenix managed to solve all his cases just fine, including 'Apollo's' 4-1 and 4-4. The 'power' he was lacking was the empowerment of a defense attorney badge. The bracelet was not strictly 'necessary' to taking down Kristoph. Phoenix was attracted to Apollo's 'power' for Trucy's sake as much as his own, since he saw the same power Trucy had and so a possible lead to the mysteries of her family et al.
Heh. Thus this proves my point. Apollo isnt needed for jack. Sure he couldnt open the locks but thats what the judicial system is for. Technically phenoix helped apollo win. Or rather finish what was unsettled 7 years ago. Rofl at the 4th wall.
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BlackJack wrote:
Herr Blondie wrote:
Wrong again Blackjack
Phoenix specifically said that he needed Apollo, not just because Phoenix couldn't legally clear his name and needed someone to do it for him, but because Apollo has a unique power he doesn't. Where Phoenix's magatama was unable to deal with the secrets of Kristoph, Apollo's bracelet could. The two people operate differently each have their own tools which work best in certain situations but umm...why disbar Edgeworth?
What's he ever done wrong?
Phoenix specifically said that he needed Apollo, not just because Phoenix couldn't legally clear his name and needed someone to do it for him, but because Apollo has a unique power he doesn't. Where Phoenix's magatama was unable to deal with the secrets of Kristoph, Apollo's bracelet could. The two people operate differently each have their own tools which work best in certain situations but umm...why disbar Edgeworth?
What's he ever done wrong?I meant (admittedly I wasn't especially clear) that if AJ was a PW game, that if Edgeworth was disbarred for presenting forged evidence, then it would have a similar effect on Phoenix emotionally that Phoenix's did on Apollo. Someone they respect doing the unthinkable. Edgeworth then spends the next several years collecting evidence on the case and, when the time is right, he and Phoenix defeat the true villain.
Sounds to me like AJ in a nutshell. Replace Apollo with Phoenix and Hobohodo with Edgeworth and there you go. And Trucy could be replaced by any new character. Or, since she's new herself, they could have finangled it to where Trucy was Nick's sister! <what a twist!>
All it takes is a little moving of characters. Apollo is nothing especially unique or awesome is my point.
I get ya! I forget Edgey had forged evidence...well presented it by accident, though he got away with it no?
But Icer, I said that he needed both Apollo's legal power to clear his name and his bracelet. The way to clear his name is to crack Kristoph, Phoenix doubts he could even crack the black psych locks presented by Kristoph so he needed Apollo's power to beat him by other means.
As for your plan it may work except that the whole relations thing and the magical history between half the cast wouldn't be present and really without any relevant backstory it would just make quite a poor game without any meaning behind the cases and we know Edgeworth would sooner choose death than face the dishonour of a disbarring anyway so your turn of events couldn't possibly happen.
Apollo is needed to give new paths to the AA series Mr Wise, he is not pointless he has a new technique that Phoenix didn't have (which I'm sure will be integrated further in AJ2) and he has a large amount of backstory to be explored and more history with Kristoph I'm sure. Whereas with Phoenix without undergoing radical role changes, there isn't much left to go on as I'm sure I've said before.
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Fix'd.
Those are both stupid ideas when you think about it. Even if Capcom replaces Nick, they surely wouldn't be dumb enough to kill him off.
And prosecutor makes no sense.
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BlackJack wrote:
D_Albertz wrote:
Fix'd.
Those are both stupid ideas when you think about it. Even if Capcom replaces Nick, they surely wouldn't be dumb enough to kill him off.
And prosecutor makes no sense.
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Killing him off makes everyone unhappy....and I like the prospect of a new prosecutor with new quirks....unless Phoenix goes total haywire and says he's tired of defending the guilty which he doesn't do anyway.
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BlackJack wrote:
D_Albertz wrote:
Fix'd.
Those are both stupid ideas when you think about it. Even if Capcom replaces Nick, they surely wouldn't be dumb enough to kill him off.
And prosecutor makes no sense.
1.ROFL Mia anyone? /Copy and paste here.
2.Even more rofl. That would be like Edward Elric becoming a prosecutor/Full metal alchemist.
"Defender of the people turns against people and becomes a dog of the state" End quote.
Impossible. If he was going to be a prosecutor he would have had such plans long ago. I mean look at edgeworth no going back for him.
But there's a slight possibility except its really low.
And Arnold Yellow i can see what you say however i alredy knew that.
His future is still largely open thanks to apollo. I just want apollo to have a good future too.'
Let phoenix do his own thing. and let Apollo do his own thing too. That's how it was in the game so why shouldn't it stay that way? He was recognized as his student but he didn't learn a damn thing from him but cryptic ass sentences and hidden meanings included with hidden facial expressions and empty laughs. His laughs were so fake. "Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha" Fake laugh end quote.
So i wouldn't recommend phoenix being his master unless capcom says yar! and finds a way to have it make sense. No killing off phoenix crap otherwise im ditching the series on account of /Old attorney tricks. Mia anyone? /Copy and paste here.
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Mr.wise wrote:
BlackJack wrote:
D_Albertz wrote:
Fix'd.
Those are both stupid ideas when you think about it. Even if Capcom replaces Nick, they surely wouldn't be dumb enough to kill him off.
And prosecutor makes no sense.
1.ROFL Mia anyone? /Copy and paste here.
2.Even more rofl. That would be like Edward Elric becoming a prosecutor/Full metal alchemist.
"Defender of the people turns against people and becomes a dog of the state" End quote.
Impossible. If he was going to be a prosecutor he would have had such plans long ago. I mean look at edgeworth no going back for him.
But there's a slight possibility except its really low.
And Arnold Yellow i can see what you say however i alredy knew that.
His future is still largely open thanks to apollo. I just want apollo to have a good future too.'
Let phoenix do his own thing. and let Apollo do his own thing too. That's how it was in the game so why shouldn't it stay that way? He was recognized as his student but he didn't learn a damn thing from him but cryptic ass sentences and hidden meanings included with hidden facial expressions and empty laughs. His laughs were so fake. "Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha" Fake laugh end quote.
So i wouldn't recommend phoenix being his master unless capcom says yar! and finds a way to have it make sense. No killing off phoenix crap otherwise im ditching the series on account of /Old attorney tricks. Mia anyone? /Copy and paste here.
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Well, whatever Phoenix's position in the next game is, it will be better than his position in Apollo Justice...
Hopefully.
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Extremely likely
Dont hope for things thats gonna happen.
Dont hope for things thats gonna happen.
I'm not so sure. Look at where Nick is in the past 2 games.
Relegated to Mentor status in AJ.
Practically Non-Existant in GK.
I fear that Capcom's trying to phase Nick out.
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BlackJack wrote:
Mr.wise wrote:
Extremely likely
Dont hope for things thats gonna happen.
Dont hope for things thats gonna happen.
I'm not so sure. Look at where Nick is in the past 2 games.
Relegated to Mentor status in AJ.
Practically Non-Existant in GK.
I fear that Capcom's trying to phase Nick out.
If they felt like it they would have announced him dead by now.
Not yet.
I don't think so. Phoenix cannot die. He will always come back.
Rofl he cant be a mentor when he isnt teaching anything. Also GK was er not his thing?
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Mr.wise wrote:
BlackJack wrote:
Mr.wise wrote:
Extremely likely
Dont hope for things thats gonna happen.
Dont hope for things thats gonna happen.
I'm not so sure. Look at where Nick is in the past 2 games.
Relegated to Mentor status in AJ.
Practically Non-Existant in GK.
I fear that Capcom's trying to phase Nick out.
If they felt like it they would have announced him dead by now.
Not yet.
I don't think so. Phoenix cannot die. He will always come back.
Rofl he cant be a mentor when he isnt teaching anything. Also GK was er not his thing?
1. He is Apollo's mentor
2. So what if GK was not his game? In all 3 PW games Edgey played a pretty big or side part. And Phoenix just gets a background cameo in Edgey's game. Hmm... doen't seem right.
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I'm not so sure. Look at where Nick is in the past 2 games.
Relegated to Mentor status in AJ.
Practically Non-Existant in GK.
I fear that Capcom's trying to phase Nick out.
Relegated to Mentor status in AJ.
Practically Non-Existant in GK.
I fear that Capcom's trying to phase Nick out.
If they felt like it they would have announced him dead by now.
Not yet.
I don't think so. Phoenix cannot die. He will always come back.
Rofl he cant be a mentor when he isnt teaching anything. Also GK was er not his thing?
1. He is Apollo's mentor
2. So what if GK was not his game? In all 3 PW games Edgey played a pretty big or side part. And Phoenix just gets a background cameo in Edgey's game. Hmm... doen't seem right.
And I know that they wouldn't kill him off. Unless they want me to unleash this on em:
But phase out? Simply not giving him a part? (Like they did to Edgeworth, Maya, Pearl, Larry, Franziska, Mia and others)
Much more dangerously likely.
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Ask capcom i cant answer that. Because it makes no sense.
Who trashes a main character? No one in their right mind would.
They probably just didnt feel like adding him in.
Or am i buying time?
Heh.
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Who trashes a main character? No one in their right mind would.
They probably just didnt feel like adding him in.
They probably just didnt feel like adding him in.
See that's what I mean. I don't think they are maliciously against Nick. They just don't put him in. That's what I'm afraid of.
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BlackJack wrote:
Mr.wise wrote:
Who trashes a main character? No one in their right mind would.
They probably just didnt feel like adding him in.
They probably just didnt feel like adding him in.
See that's what I mean. I don't think they are maliciously against Nick. They just don't put him in. That's what I'm afraid of.
I would have to agree that Capcom is trying to steer a little bit away from Phoenix and focus on Apollo. But, the fact of the matter is that
will never be as loved as unless something miraculous happens in the next game.
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BlackJack wrote:
Mr.wise wrote:
Who trashes a main character? No one in their right mind would.
They probably just didnt feel like adding him in.
They probably just didnt feel like adding him in.
See that's what I mean. I don't think they are maliciously against Nick. They just don't put him in. That's what I'm afraid of.
Oh come now. It was barely even canon.
Putting him in there would bore people. Hell it would bore capcom. Adding in random lines.
Also it contradicts the fact phoenix didn't take any cases before Zak gramyare As we know phoenix is really lazy and doesn't take cases unless they are important. As we can suppose he didn't do anything before said case. He was probably just chilling.
While said prosecutor was doing something entirely different. Its just a matter of elimination really. Anything else?
The only thing i love about apollo so far is his hair, his fists and his attitude hes a lot more aggressive then phoenix if you were paying attention. Hell his stare is even more aggressive. His Point is even more aggressive actually. Look at they're sprites and you will see that they point at people differently Phoenix's is more inverted while apollos is more straight and strong.
Heh.
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Oh come now. It was barely even canon.
Both AJ and GK are very much canon, sir.
Also it contradicts the fact phoenix didn't take any cases before Zak gramyare As we know phoenix is really lazy and doesn't take cases unless they are important. As we can suppose he didn't do anything before said case. He was probably just chilling.[/quote]
1. That is not a fact.
2. Of course Phoenix takes other cases. He has to pay the rent somehow.
3. The cameo is of him investigating a crime scene with Maya. Proving he's on another case.
4. I don't really know why we're arguing. Except maybe you're telling me that it's stupid to be worried about Nick being replaced.
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Mr.wise wrote:
BlackJack wrote:
Mr.wise wrote:
Who trashes a main character? No one in their right mind would.
They probably just didnt feel like adding him in.
They probably just didnt feel like adding him in.
See that's what I mean. I don't think they are maliciously against Nick. They just don't put him in. That's what I'm afraid of.
Oh come now. It was barely even canon.
Putting him in there would bore people. Hell it would bore capcom. Adding in random lines.
Also it contradicts the fact phoenix didn't take any cases before Zak gramyare As we know phoenix is really lazy and doesn't take cases unless they are important. As we can suppose he didn't do anything before said case. He was probably just chilling.
While said prosecutor was doing something entirely different. Its just a matter of elimination really. Anything else?
1. Phoenix isn't boring (except in AJ, but this would before he hobofied).
2.
Spoiler: GK
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It still doesn't make much sense actually. Explain it.
Yes it is stupid thinking nick would be replaced. They wouldn't gain anything of it. But lots of people like investigating crime scenes. Also maya was supposed to be off training to be master of kurain.
It was never stated how phoenix actually pays rent. apparently he has.. sources.
Heh.
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Mr.wise wrote:
Um wouldn't that give out a very big plothole/time gap?
It still doesn't make much sense actually. Explain it.
Yes it is stupid thinking nick would be replaced. They wouldn't gain anything of it. But lots of people like investigating crime scenes. Also maya was supposed to be off training to be master of kurain.
It was never stated how phoenix actually pays rent. apparently he has.. sources.
It still doesn't make much sense actually. Explain it.
Yes it is stupid thinking nick would be replaced. They wouldn't gain anything of it. But lots of people like investigating crime scenes. Also maya was supposed to be off training to be master of kurain.
It was never stated how phoenix actually pays rent. apparently he has.. sources.
Are you talking to me or BlackJack?
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I'm not so sure. Look at where Nick is in the past 2 games.
Relegated to Mentor status in AJ.
Practically Non-Existant in GK.
I fear that Capcom's trying to phase Nick out.
Relegated to Mentor status in AJ.
Practically Non-Existant in GK.
I fear that Capcom's trying to phase Nick out.
Apollo is totally non-existent in GK, so he's certainly not being 'phased out' in favour of Apollo...
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icer wrote:
BlackJack wrote:
I'm not so sure. Look at where Nick is in the past 2 games.
Relegated to Mentor status in AJ.
Practically Non-Existant in GK.
I fear that Capcom's trying to phase Nick out.
Relegated to Mentor status in AJ.
Practically Non-Existant in GK.
I fear that Capcom's trying to phase Nick out.
Apollo is totally non-existent in GK, so he's certainly not being 'phased out' in favour of Apollo...
Was this pointless comment really nessecary? In a game that features Edgeworth, why, in gods name, would they feature a 15 (possibly 14) year old Apollo? Who, for all we know, might not even be living in the city at that time.
EDIT: Not to mention the fact that spin-offs aren't supposed to have the main character of the series being featured as a major, or even minor character. A cameo is acceptable, can't you be satisfied with that?
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icer wrote:
BlackJack wrote:
I'm not so sure. Look at where Nick is in the past 2 games.
Relegated to Mentor status in AJ.
Practically Non-Existant in GK.
I fear that Capcom's trying to phase Nick out.
Relegated to Mentor status in AJ.
Practically Non-Existant in GK.
I fear that Capcom's trying to phase Nick out.
Apollo is totally non-existent in GK, so he's certainly not being 'phased out' in favour of Apollo...
Um, GK is set 7 years before AJ.
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