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Geez you guys got fast talking while I was gone.
I think Capcom is not wanting the AA series to be bound to Phoenix, he's an iconic figure of the series sure but I wouldn't worry about them phasing out Nick (as much as I think it's a good idea). After all the writers never wanted to include Phoenix in AJ at first right? Capcom made them, if they were truly phasing out Nick they'd have just let the writers have their way.
GK is focused on Edgeworth after all it's exploring his life outside of Nick's perspective. Rather its told from Edgey's perspective so why should Nick be everywhere at everytime? Edgeworth is one of the more independant characters due to the amount of soul searching and independant studying he does abroad, he doesn't always have a sidekick tagging along with him, he doesn't always go running to Nick or Franciska or Gumshoe when he hits a problem.
Edgeworth has a life outside of Nick's perspective, fate doesn't intertwine so they always meet ya?
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Herr Blondie wrote:
GK is focused on Edgeworth after all it's exploring his life outside of Nick's perspective. Rather its told from Edgey's perspective so why should Nick be everywhere at everytime? Edgeworth is one of the more independant characters due to the amount of soul searching and independant studying he does abroad, he doesn't always have a sidekick tagging along with him, he doesn't always go running to Nick or Franciska or Gumshoe when he hits a problem.
You say that, but doesn't Edgeworth have not one, not two, but at least 3 different sidekicks in GK? (Gumshoe, Franziska, and Kay)
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GK is focused on Edgeworth after all it's exploring his life outside of Nick's perspective. Rather its told from Edgey's perspective so why should Nick be everywhere at everytime? Edgeworth is one of the more independant characters due to the amount of soul searching and independant studying he does abroad, he doesn't always have a sidekick tagging along with him, he doesn't always go running to Nick or Franciska or Gumshoe when he hits a problem.
You say that, but doesn't Edgeworth have not one, not two, but at least 3 different sidekicks in GK? (Gumshoe, Franziska, and Kay)
I'd never consider Franny a sidekick to Edgey (and knowing her you better not too
) but Gumshoe doesn't live with Edgeworth, isn't his personal companion, with him and Edgeworth its a professional relationship just one Gumshoe particularly enjoys (and Edgey too deep down). He isn't essentially a roomate like Maya is with Nick and Edgeworth doesn't really rely on Gumshoe the same way Nick does with Maya so he's not dependant on him, therefore he's independant.As for the recently introduced Kay Faraday, I've not played the demo or researched much (I'm happy waiting for the full thing and don't want spoilers) but I'm guessing judging by her personality it's not an alliance by choice. However I am worried they are taking away Edgeworth's independence as apparently Kay has some vital tool (like Maya has the Magatama) that Edgeworth needs. My point is while Edgeworth may not be independent at the moment, he is an independent person normally but has no choice since he currently needs to use Kay.
But who knows maybe the storyline of GK will feature him softening up a little and opening up more to people, we'll need to see.
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Herr Blondie wrote:
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GK is focused on Edgeworth after all it's exploring his life outside of Nick's perspective. Rather its told from Edgey's perspective so why should Nick be everywhere at everytime? Edgeworth is one of the more independant characters due to the amount of soul searching and independant studying he does abroad, he doesn't always have a sidekick tagging along with him, he doesn't always go running to Nick or Franciska or Gumshoe when he hits a problem.
You say that, but doesn't Edgeworth have not one, not two, but at least 3 different sidekicks in GK? (Gumshoe, Franziska, and Kay)
I'd never consider Franny a sidekick to Edgey (and knowing her you better not too
) but Gumshoe doesn't live with Edgeworth, isn't his personal companion, with him and Edgeworth its a professional relationship just one Gumshoe particularly enjoys (and Edgey too deep down). He isn't essentially a roomate like Maya is with Nick and Edgeworth doesn't really rely on Gumshoe the same way Nick does with Maya so he's not dependant on him, therefore he's independant.As for the recently introduced Kay Faraday, I've not played the demo or researched much (I'm happy waiting for the full thing and don't want spoilers) but I'm guessing judging by her personality it's not an alliance by choice. However I am worried they are taking away Edgeworth's independence as apparently Kay has some vital tool (like Maya has the Magatama) that Edgeworth needs. My point is while Edgeworth may not be independent at the moment, he is an independent person normally but has no choice since he currently needs to use Kay.
But who knows maybe the storyline of GK will feature him softening up a little and opening up more to people, we'll need to see.
But that's a double standard. "Well, Edgeworth is independant. Except in his own game, but it's not his fault." So? The point remains that he has sidekicks. More sidekicks than Phoenix.
And regardless of our opinions, if Franzy hangs out with, follows, and/or assists Edgey (like she did with Nick in 3-5), then she is technically a sidekick.
And who says Phoenix lives with Maya?
While I might be wrong (I'm not), in 1-2 Maya states that she has an apartment. Before she meets Nick. And the game gives us no indication that she moved in with Nick (or vice versa). (How could they deny Pearly's claims if they did that?)
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For real....your challenging the well-held belief that Maya lives with Phoenix? *sigh* Gotta go evidence hunting now bah I can't be bothered, other than there is countless pieces of evidence pointing to the fact Maya stays with Nick....just nothing decisive...that said I only browsed Turnabout sisters.Also you seem to be mistaking the word sidekicks with colleagues.....Franny and Edgey are in the same profession and are friends why shouldn't they help each other out, it doesn't necessarily mean one is subservient to the other. I'd say Kay and Gumshoe are the only two sidekicks Edgey has and only one of those is by choice.
Plus your forgetting Nick had Ema as a sidekick.
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:nick-sweat: For real....your challenging the well-held belief that Maya lives with Phoenix? *sigh* Gotta go evidence hunting now bah I can't be bothered, other than there is countless pieces of evidence pointing to the fact Maya stays with Nick....just nothing decisive...that said I only browsed Turnabout sisters.
Also you seem to be mistaking the word sidekicks with colleagues.....Franny and Edgey are in the same profession and are friends why shouldn't they help each other out, it doesn't necessarily mean one is subservient to the other. I'd say Kay and Gumshoe are the only two sidekicks Edgey has and only one of those is by choice.
Plus your forgetting Nick had Ema as a sidekick.
Also you seem to be mistaking the word sidekicks with colleagues.....Franny and Edgey are in the same profession and are friends why shouldn't they help each other out, it doesn't necessarily mean one is subservient to the other. I'd say Kay and Gumshoe are the only two sidekicks Edgey has and only one of those is by choice.
Plus your forgetting Nick had Ema as a sidekick.
I suppose if I count the sidekicks in 3-5 (Gumshoe and Franzy) and Pearl (whom I forgot
) then Nick has had more (in 3 games) than Edgey had (in 1 game).I actually only counted Maya and Ema (oops).
And I never knew Nick and Maya living together was a well-held belief.
I'll need evidence for that one, sir.
And arguing the difference between "sidekicks" and "colleagues" is splitting hairs.
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:nick-sweat: For real....your challenging the well-held belief that Maya lives with Phoenix? *sigh* Gotta go evidence hunting now bah I can't be bothered, other than there is countless pieces of evidence pointing to the fact Maya stays with Nick....just nothing decisive...that said I only browsed Turnabout sisters.
Also you seem to be mistaking the word sidekicks with colleagues.....Franny and Edgey are in the same profession and are friends why shouldn't they help each other out, it doesn't necessarily mean one is subservient to the other. I'd say Kay and Gumshoe are the only two sidekicks Edgey has and only one of those is by choice.
Plus your forgetting Nick had Ema as a sidekick.
Also you seem to be mistaking the word sidekicks with colleagues.....Franny and Edgey are in the same profession and are friends why shouldn't they help each other out, it doesn't necessarily mean one is subservient to the other. I'd say Kay and Gumshoe are the only two sidekicks Edgey has and only one of those is by choice.
Plus your forgetting Nick had Ema as a sidekick.
I suppose if I count the sidekicks in 3-5 (Gumshoe and Franzy) and Pearl (whom I forgot
) then Nick has had more (in 3 games) than Edgey had (in 1 game).I actually only counted Maya and Ema (oops).
And I never knew Nick and Maya living together was a well-held belief.
I'll need evidence for that one, sir.
And arguing the difference between "sidekicks" and "colleagues" is splitting hairs.
No it's not, Sidekicks implies one is subservient to the other while this is true for Gumshoe it is certainly not true of Franny who could be considered a rival even whereas Gumshoe is obviously subservient.
The countless fanfics, the amount of times early in the morning when Maya is there, the fact that technically it was Maya who invited Phoenix to her office (as Mia) in the first place, the fact that she has a key to the apartment as she can be in before him, the fact she can command him to buy food from the shop for them. A better question is if Nick lives at his office.
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Apollo is totally non-existent in GK, so he's certainly not being 'phased out' in favour of Apollo... 
Um, GK is set 7 years before AJ.
The point is, that for the next installment in the Gyakuten franchise, they did NOT continue with Apollo's story or GS4 chars, but chose to go back in time to Phoenix era. The game could easily have instead been the Ema-centric game originally proposed, set in GS4-era with an Apollo cameo. But going back to only 1 month after GS3 was deemed more palatable and marketable, even though they could really have done an Edgeworth game in GS4 era- nothing's stopping him being a prosecutor then, that we know of. In fact, a spin-off featuring GS1-3 characters and Edgeworth occurred as the next title in the series, not a title featuring Apollo or GS4-era chars. A step back to Phoenix-era, if you will.
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Apollo is totally non-existent in GK, so he's certainly not being 'phased out' in favour of Apollo...
Um, GK is set 7 years before AJ.
The point is, that for the next installment in the Gyakuten franchise, they did NOT continue with Apollo's story or GS4 chars, but chose to go back in time to Phoenix era. The game could easily have instead been the Ema-centric game originally proposed, set in GS4-era with an Apollo cameo. But going back to only 1 month after GS3 was deemed more palatable and marketable, even though they could really have done an Edgeworth game in GS4 era- nothing's stopping him being a prosecutor then, that we know of. In fact, a spin-off featuring GS1-3 characters and Edgeworth occurred as the next title in the series, not a title featuring Apollo or GS4-era chars. A step back to Phoenix-era, if you will.
Apart from the fact an ema-centered game would've sucked.
And Edgeworth being the next biggest character in the AA series is a simple and foreseeable event. You did encounter him a lot at the crime scenes no?
Besides if they do it straight from 7 years ago it saves them the hassle of people questioning what went on in those seven years as well as dramatic character changes etc like happened to Nick.
This way they don't need to make up stories for what.....lets say Franny has been doing for the past 7 years.
Doesn't seem like much of a snub of Apollo to me, as far as I'm concerned AAI is a completely different franchise.
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No it's not, Sidekicks implies one is subservient to the other while this is true for Gumshoe it is certainly not true of Franny who could be considered a rival even whereas Gumshoe is obviously subservient.
The countless fanfics, the amount of times early in the morning when Maya is there, the fact that technically it was Maya who invited Phoenix to her office (as Mia) in the first place, the fact that she has a key to the apartment as she can be in before him, the fact she can command him to buy food from the shop for them. A better question is if Nick lives at his office.
The countless fanfics, the amount of times early in the morning when Maya is there, the fact that technically it was Maya who invited Phoenix to her office (as Mia) in the first place, the fact that she has a key to the apartment as she can be in before him, the fact she can command him to buy food from the shop for them. A better question is if Nick lives at his office.
Not really. When you think "sidekick" (outside of AA canon) who comes to mind. Robin, right? (Right?) Batman's sidekick. And while Batman is Robin's mentor and guardian, it can hardly be said that Robin is "subservient" to him.
Definition of "Sidekick"
Fanfics don't count. Just because Maya gets to the office early means nothing. The "Mia-In-Maya's-Body-Gave-Nick-The-Office" thing means less than nothing. The office is not an apartment. Maya is 1 of 2 people that work there. Surely she has a key. Maya can command Nick to buy her food. But so can anyone else, really. Nick's a sucker. However, Nick's place of residence is never mentioned. So I suppose it's a valid theory that he might live in the office. But where did he live before he got ownership of the office. Why move?
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No it's not, Sidekicks implies one is subservient to the other while this is true for Gumshoe it is certainly not true of Franny who could be considered a rival even whereas Gumshoe is obviously subservient.
The countless fanfics, the amount of times early in the morning when Maya is there, the fact that technically it was Maya who invited Phoenix to her office (as Mia) in the first place, the fact that she has a key to the apartment as she can be in before him, the fact she can command him to buy food from the shop for them. A better question is if Nick lives at his office.
The countless fanfics, the amount of times early in the morning when Maya is there, the fact that technically it was Maya who invited Phoenix to her office (as Mia) in the first place, the fact that she has a key to the apartment as she can be in before him, the fact she can command him to buy food from the shop for them. A better question is if Nick lives at his office.
Not really. When you think "sidekick" (outside of AA canon) who comes to mind. Robin, right? (Right?) Batman's sidekick. And while Batman is Robin's mentor and guardian, it can hardly be said that Robin is "subservient" to him.
Definition of "Sidekick"
Fanfics don't count. Just because Maya gets to the office early means nothing. The "Mia-In-Maya's-Body-Gave-Nick-The-Office" thing means less than nothing. The office is not an apartment. Maya is 1 of 2 people that work there. Surely she has a key. Maya can command Nick to buy her food. But so can anyone else, really. Nick's a sucker. However, Nick's place of residence is never mentioned. So I suppose it's a valid theory that he might live in the office. But where did he live before he got ownership of the office. Why move?
Note that dictionary defination also says "Assistant" as in someone below you not as important you see?
And unfortunately your first point is....up to opinion...I completely think of Robin as subservient to him. Just like I completely think of Raiden as a subservient sidekick to snake, same with Otacon. Just like Karate is a subservient sidekick to Batfink so I don't think thats it.
However it might not help my case but I don't believe Nick lives at his office but Maya does, she calls him at the start of Turnabout Samurai and it says Nick is in his bedroom....but if they lived together why would she need to call him on his phone? And furthermore she tells him to come to the office implying that she's already there. So meh I don't think they do live together now as much as some fans would like to argue.
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Note that dictionary defination also says "Assistant" as in someone below you not as important you see?
While I hold my opinion, I will defer that argument over to you, sir. It does say "assistant", which can be interpreted in both our favors, but generally is thought to be subservient.
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And unfortunately your first point is....up to opinion...I completely think of Robin as subservient to him. Just like I completely think of Raiden as a subservient sidekick to snake, same with Otacon. Just like Karate is a subservient sidekick to Batfink so I don't think thats it.
Uuum.....I was with you but you lost me about sentence 2 or 3.
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However it might not help my case but I don't believe Nick lives at his office but Maya does, she calls him at the start of Turnabout Samurai and it says Nick is in his bedroom....but if they lived together why would she need to call him on his phone? And furthermore she tells him to come to the office implying that she's already there. So meh I don't think they do live together now as much as some fans would like to argue.
Well, I win something for once....
And I just think that Maya, being a Genki Girl anyway, just gets up early in the morning.
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Note that dictionary defination also says "Assistant" as in someone below you not as important you see?
While I hold my opinion, I will defer that argument over to you, sir. It does say "assistant", which can be interpreted in both our favors, but generally is thought to be subservient.
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And unfortunately your first point is....up to opinion...I completely think of Robin as subservient to him. Just like I completely think of Raiden as a subservient sidekick to snake, same with Otacon. Just like Karate is a subservient sidekick to Batfink so I don't think thats it.
Uuum.....I was with you but you lost me about sentence 2 or 3.
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However it might not help my case but I don't believe Nick lives at his office but Maya does, she calls him at the start of Turnabout Samurai and it says Nick is in his bedroom....but if they lived together why would she need to call him on his phone? And furthermore she tells him to come to the office implying that she's already there. So meh I don't think they do live together now as much as some fans would like to argue.
Well, I win something for once....
And I just think that Maya, being a Genki Girl anyway, just gets up early in the morning.
Hehe I win too I guess assistant does often mean subservient but onto other points.
I was just listing off other common sidekicks that appear as subservients.
The fact that Robin needs to rely on Batman so much makes him appear weaker and subservient. After all Batman can just choose one day to boot the little leecher out on his ass to get a real job.
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I was just listing off other common sidekicks that appear as subservients.
The fact that Robin needs to rely on Batman so much makes him appear weaker and subservient. After all Batman can just choose one day to boot the little leecher out on his ass to get a real job.
The fact that Robin needs to rely on Batman so much makes him appear weaker and subservient. After all Batman can just choose one day to boot the little leecher out on his ass to get a real job.
...Or until Robin leaves and takes up the mantle of Nightwing...
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I was just listing off other common sidekicks that appear as subservients.
The fact that Robin needs to rely on Batman so much makes him appear weaker and subservient. After all Batman can just choose one day to boot the little leecher out on his ass to get a real job.
The fact that Robin needs to rely on Batman so much makes him appear weaker and subservient. After all Batman can just choose one day to boot the little leecher out on his ass to get a real job.
...Or until Robin leaves and takes up the mantle of Nightwing...
I don't follow Batman but I know enough to know Robin goes off to become some darkside type. To me that just screams wimpy wants attention, mimics half the kids who wannabe emo's. So Robin even when he goes on a little darkside trip just seems a little pathetic to me so....still subservient.
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Herr Blondie wrote:
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Herr Blondie wrote:
I was just listing off other common sidekicks that appear as subservients.
The fact that Robin needs to rely on Batman so much makes him appear weaker and subservient. After all Batman can just choose one day to boot the little leecher out on his ass to get a real job.
The fact that Robin needs to rely on Batman so much makes him appear weaker and subservient. After all Batman can just choose one day to boot the little leecher out on his ass to get a real job.
...Or until Robin leaves and takes up the mantle of Nightwing...
I don't follow Batman but I know enough to know Robin goes off to become some darkside type. To me that just screams wimpy wants attention, mimics half the kids who wannabe emo's. So Robin even when he goes on a little darkside trip just seems a little pathetic to me so....still subservient.Well, actually, Nightwing was created in 1984. Looooooong before the advent of Emo. And originally he was still a kind of light-hearted Robin-like guy. He was made to be darker (i.e. more like Batman) only in recent years.
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Haha when did this topic become about Batman & Robin?
Not sure. Somewhere around discussing sidekicks. Sorry if it was off-track but as a Batman fan I couldn't let that stand.
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Haha when did this topic become about Batman & Robin?
Not sure. Somewhere around discussing sidekicks. Sorry if it was off-track but as a Batman fan I couldn't let that stand.
Oh :P. It doesn;t matter to me if its off-track, I just thought it was kinda funny.
On-topic, will Phoenix shave for the next game? (if he's even in it of course.)
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PlatinumOrb wrote:
Haha when did this topic become about Batman & Robin?
Not sure. Somewhere around discussing sidekicks. Sorry if it was off-track but as a Batman fan I couldn't let that stand.
Oh :P. It doesn;t matter to me if its off-track, I just thought it was kinda funny.
On-topic, will Phoenix shave for the next game? (if he's even in it of course.)
Yes.
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Maybe this has been answered elsewhere but I can’t find it. Where exactly do the main characters live? That is Phoenix, Maya, and eventually Trucy.
All of the games and even the mangas are rather ambiguous about this. Its sometimes hinted that Phoenix’s office may have a residential apartment connected to it but I couldn’t find anything definitive …
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So I suppose it's a valid theory that he might live in the office. But where did he live before he got ownership of the office. Why move?
For convenience maybe? Since Mia died phoenix pretty much took over the law firm, if there’s a now-vacant residence there why not move in?
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However it might not help my case but I don't believe Nick lives at his office but Maya does, she calls him at the start of Turnabout Samurai and it says Nick is in his bedroom....but if they lived together why would she need to call him on his phone? And furthermore she tells him to come to the office implying that she's already there. So meh I don't think they do live together now as much as some fans would like to argue.
I guess that explains a few things but then again I remember a few later cases implied that phoenix lived at the office; I’ll have to browse through them again. Eventually at some point Phoenix does move into the supposed residence there, at least by the time AJ rolls around.
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The point is, that for the next installment in the Gyakuten franchise, they did NOT continue with Apollo's story or GS4 chars, but chose to go back in time to Phoenix era. The game could easily have instead been the Ema-centric game originally proposed, set in GS4-era with an Apollo cameo. But going back to only 1 month after GS3 was deemed more palatable and marketable, even though they could really have done an Edgeworth game in GS4 era- nothing's stopping him being a prosecutor then, that we know of. In fact, a spin-off featuring GS1-3 characters and Edgeworth occurred as the next title in the series, not a title featuring Apollo or GS4-era chars. A step back to Phoenix-era, if you will.
I recall reading in a translated interview or something that despite sales, GS4 isn’t exactly all that popular with the Japanese fanbase. Considering that Japan is the base that Capcom tailors the GS series to, its not all that surprising from a marketing standpoint that they chose Edgeworths spinoff game to take place during the older story arc. Even so, I don't think they're just going to give up on Apollo.
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Presumably Phoenix being Trucy's guardian means she lives with him.
Oh and I hope Nick doesn't shave I like the rugged look it gave him.
And Robin is totally subservient to Batman, when he becomes Nightwing he's not Robin anymore really (as a person he is) but as the pairing batman and Robin as a sidekick Robin is totally subservient.
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grim_tales wrote:
Didn't GS4 sell the most of the GS series in Japan?
That’s why I mentioned “despite sales”. GS4 did sell strong and received high marks on official reviews but that doesn’t mean the fanbase was very satisfied with it. Strong sales and fan approval are usually correlated but that’s not always the case. Examples: Star Wars Ep1, Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. I realize those are movies but I cant think of any big videogame examples off the top of my head. The opposite can be true as well; a game can sell poorly but have great fan reaction and reviews, and later become a cult classic. Examples: Elite Beat Agents, Planescape Torment, Freespace 2.
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grim_tales wrote:
Didn't GS4 sell the most of the GS series in Japan?
That’s why I mentioned “despite sales”. GS4 did sell strong and received high marks on official reviews but that doesn’t mean the fanbase was very satisfied with it.
A lot of the existing fans would have bought the game on the 'hook' of Phoenix and the controversy. It was a successful marketing tactic... I've heard that a lot of people on places like 2ch hated the game, but this is 3rd-hand information.
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A lot of the existing fans would have bought the game on the 'hook' of Phoenix and the controversy. It was a successful marketing tactic... I've heard that a lot of people on places like 2ch hated the game, but this is 3rd-hand information.
Ehhh … If Japans 2ch is anything like the American 4ch knockoff, take whatever you hear from it with a grain of salt. 4chan: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy this side of the internet.
People who post on the /v/ideogame board pretty much hate everything. Most threads consist of Console Fanboyan, Reaction Imagan, Trollan, TF2 Threadan and Katawa Shoujoan.
Good place to get some laffs, but actual, legitimate video game discussion? Hah! Not saying 2ch is the same way but … you never know (unless you can read Japanese).
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Ehhh … If Japans 2ch is anything like the American 4ch knockoff, take whatever you hear from it with a grain of salt. 4chan: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy this side of the internet.
People who post on the /v/ideogame board pretty much hate everything. Most threads consist of Console Fanboyan, Reaction Imagan, Trollan, TF2 Threadan and Katawa Shoujoan.
Good place to get some laffs, but actual, legitimate video game discussion? Hah! Not saying 2ch is the same way but … you never know (unless you can read Japanese).
People who post on the /v/ideogame board pretty much hate everything. Most threads consist of Console Fanboyan, Reaction Imagan, Trollan, TF2 Threadan and Katawa Shoujoan.
Good place to get some laffs, but actual, legitimate video game discussion? Hah! Not saying 2ch is the same way but … you never know (unless you can read Japanese).
Not knowing Japanese, I can't really confirm, but Wikipedia implies that 2ch [2channel] is different to the similarly titled Futaba Channel (2chan) which 4chan was based off. ]
2channel (2ちゃんねる, ni channeru?, 2ch for short) is a Japanese Internet forum, thought to be the largest Internet forum in the world.[3][4][5] Launched in 1999, it has gained significant influence in Japanese society, comparable to that of traditional mass media such as television, radio, and magazines
Separate entry for Futaba Channel (2chan) which is a totally different forum.
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I always thought Nick didn't take that many cases because hes only good at acquittals for the misaccused, and that doesn't happen very often, I think.
Just kind of asking, if you guys played a game like, say, Zelda, and in the new installment, they took out Link and you had to play as a random, completely new guy that was unheard of until that game, and they made Link a hobo who gave you cryptical advice that only served his own means as it manipulated you into regaining his honor?
I, personally, would be ticked off.
Apollo is not more aggressive than Phoenix. Not a chance. Apollo hasn't even done anything on his own yet, its either Trucy, Klavier, Kristoph or Phoenix.
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I'm both an Apollo/Nick fan, if Apollo is still around for GS5 hopefully he will be less of the "random new guy"
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I always thought Nick didn't take that many cases because hes only good at acquittals for the misaccused, and that doesn't happen very often, I think.
Just kind of asking, if you guys played a game like, say, Zelda, and in the new installment, they took out Link and you had to play as a random, completely new guy that was unheard of until that game, and they made Link a hobo who gave you cryptical advice that only served his own means as it manipulated you into regaining his honor?
I, personally, would be ticked off.
Apollo is not more aggressive than Phoenix. Not a chance. Apollo hasn't even done anything on his own yet, its either Trucy, Klavier, Kristoph or Phoenix.
I always thought Nick didn't take that many cases because hes only good at acquittals for the misaccused, and that doesn't happen very often, I think.
Just kind of asking, if you guys played a game like, say, Zelda, and in the new installment, they took out Link and you had to play as a random, completely new guy that was unheard of until that game, and they made Link a hobo who gave you cryptical advice that only served his own means as it manipulated you into regaining his honor?
I, personally, would be ticked off.
Apollo is not more aggressive than Phoenix. Not a chance. Apollo hasn't even done anything on his own yet, its either Trucy, Klavier, Kristoph or Phoenix.
Apollo punched Phoenix aggressive? I think so. How many killers has Phoenix confronted and NOT punched. In the Karma evidence pinching incident in 1-4 Apollo woulda punched that sucka square in the jaw.
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The Objector wrote:
Just kind of asking, if you guys played a game like, say, Zelda, and in the new installment, they took out Link and you had to play as a random, completely new guy that was unheard of until that game
Kind of like what they did with Dante in DMC4.
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In the Karma evidence pinching incident in 1-4 Apollo woulda punched that sucka square in the jaw.
I doubt it.
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BlackJack wrote:
The Objector wrote:
Just kind of asking, if you guys played a game like, say, Zelda, and in the new installment, they took out Link and you had to play as a random, completely new guy that was unheard of until that game
Kind of like what they did with Dante in DMC4.
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In the Karma evidence pinching incident in 1-4 Apollo woulda punched that sucka square in the jaw.
I doubt it.
Hehe well Karma is an intimidating guy so maybe your right but he definately showed a little more fire than I've ever seen Phoenix show.
But this isn't quite the same as the Link analogy.....with GS3 it was pretty definative for an end of a series all the loose ends seemed tied up and everyone was happy.
I think that should allow it to end a series and move on in my opinion.
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Hehe well Karma is an intimidating guy so maybe your right but he definately showed a little more fire than I've ever seen Phoenix show.
You do have to remember that Phoenix was still a rookie lawyer and von Karma was a respected prosecutor.
Remember how freaked out Apollo was during 4-1.
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BlackJack wrote:
Herr Blondie wrote:
Hehe well Karma is an intimidating guy so maybe your right but he definately showed a little more fire than I've ever seen Phoenix show.
You do have to remember that Phoenix was still a rookie lawyer and von Karma was a respected prosecutor.
Remember how freaked out Apollo was during 4-1.
You suggesting that if it was GS3 Phoenix he woulda socked Karma so hard his blood would be added to the other samples in the evidence room?
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Herr Blondie wrote:
BlackJack wrote:
Herr Blondie wrote:
Hehe well Karma is an intimidating guy so maybe your right but he definately showed a little more fire than I've ever seen Phoenix show.
You do have to remember that Phoenix was still a rookie lawyer and von Karma was a respected prosecutor.
Remember how freaked out Apollo was during 4-1.
You suggesting that if it was GS3 Phoenix he woulda socked Karma so hard his blood would be added to the other samples in the evidence room?
Not necessarily. But would he have been more likely to stand up to von Karma? Yes. He was threatening not only him, but also Maya (and maybe Pearl, since it was T&T). Phoenix was much bolder in T&T in general than he was in AA.
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Well yeah he was certainly assertive and I don't think Nick would tolerate it if Pearly was threatened then he could unleash his "Shining Phoenix Punch Attack!!!" or at least thats how it'd go in my head.
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Herr Blondie wrote:
Well yeah he was certainly assertive and I don't think Nick would tolerate it if Pearly was threatened then he could unleash his "Shining Phoenix Punch Attack!!!" or at least thats how it'd go in my head.
FALCON PUNCH!!!
Nah his trademark would have to be the
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