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Re: PWLib Casemaker (Released 1.1 at 14/09/2008 11:24PM GMT-3)

Sat Nov 14, 2009 9:10 pm

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Sure.

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Re: PWLib Casemaker (Released 1.1 at 14/09/2008 11:24PM GMT-3)

Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:24 am

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Update notification:
Audiere 1.9.4 has a memory leak bug. This leads to AIGE not releasing memory when playing an sfx/music.
If you're using PWLib 1.1, download the fixed Audiere dll on PWLib's Site:
http://www.ksatechnologyhq.com:1357/mainsite/pwlib

PWLib 1.2 and AIGE 0.800a will ship with the fixed dll.

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Re: PWLib Casemaker (Released 1.1 at 14/09/2008 11:24PM GMT-3)

Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:50 am

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KSA_Tech wrote:

Update notification:
Audiere 1.9.4 has a memory leak bug. This leads to AIGE not releasing memory when playing an sfx/music.
If you're using PWLib 1.1, download the fixed Audiere dll on PWLib's Site:
http://www.ksatechnologyhq.com:1357/mainsite/pwlib

PWLib 1.2 and AIGE 0.800a will ship with the fixed dll.

Good thing that's fixed but I don't know what is fixed. :gregory:

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Re: PWLib Casemaker (Released 1.1 at 14/09/2008 11:24PM GMT-3)

Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:10 am

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News
- (AIGE) Internal Log System Updated. Multiple logs are available, each with an specific usage. Console on AIGE will use the Execution Log.
- (AIGE) Added special feature to AIGE's console.
- (AIGE) Changed internally the FPS Rendering Core.
- (AIGE) Fixed incorrect error reports on certain specific circumstances (related to new AHLSL's Optimizer).
- (AIGE) Added new function for use with animations.
- (PWLib) Fixed incorrect function names on Shinku (so all functions follow a same rule).
- (PWLib) Internal Messaging System was centralized.

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Re: PWLib Casemaker (Released 1.1 at 14/09/2008 11:24PM GMT-3)

Fri Nov 20, 2009 10:03 am

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Any one who understands the concept of sprites into PWLib (Dematador, Attorneyatlawl and KSA_Technology), could I get some help. I don't understand the concept and at the moment, I'm working on something important.

Spoiler:

Thanks (and I hope this goes here.)

Ptapcc

Re: PWLib Casemaker (Released 1.1 at 14/09/2008 11:24PM GMT-3)

Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:38 pm

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Ptapcc wrote:

Any one who understands the concept of sprites into PWLib (Dematador, Attorneyatlawl and KSA_Technology), could I get some help. I don't understand the concept and at the moment, I'm working on something important.

Spoiler:

Thanks (and I hope this goes here.)

Ptapcc

Rather than making them, I prefer teaching you how to do it.

Shoot me a PM with what you don't get from the tutorial, or up to where you got, and I'll give you a hand.

Re: PWLib Casemaker (Released 1.1 at 14/09/2008 11:24PM GMT-3)

Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:26 am

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DeMatador, I'm considering into making a tutorial page about handling SAS and character creation for PWLib.

We can talk on MSN to develop it together.

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Re: PWLib Casemaker (Released 1.1 at 14/09/2008 11:24PM GMT-3)

Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:39 pm

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I am now going to attempt making the court sliding more game accurate.

Hope it works out :P

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Re: PWLib Casemaker (Released 1.1 at 14/09/2008 11:24PM GMT-3)

Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:55 am

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DeMatador wrote a tutorial for custom character creation.
Here is the tutorial link:
http://www.ksatechnologyhq.com:1357/mainsite/pwlib/tutorial/charcreation

The KSA Technology HQ will contain tutorials for PWLib.

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Re: PWLib Casemaker (Released 1.1 at 14/09/2008 11:24PM GMT-3)

Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:29 am

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I'm sorry KSA_Technology but while the tutorial is extremely helpful you lost me right when we started scripting a pose. It's just too complicated for me. :sadshoe:

Is there any hope for the idea I told you in a PM? I'm definitely not abandoning this engine, though I'll definitely be conflicted about what to do.

Ptapcc

Re: PWLib Casemaker (Released 1.1 at 14/09/2008 11:24PM GMT-3)

Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:55 pm

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The problem with using gifs is that giflib is so badly documented that I can't the inter-frame time. If I could get that, it would be easy to make an animation generator from gifs (and even output a gif to animation file).

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Re: PWLib Casemaker (Released 1.1 at 14/09/2008 11:24PM GMT-3)

Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:49 pm

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News
- (AIGE) Added a command that outputs an animation code based on a gif file (can be used with the sheets generated by the giftosheet).
- (AIGE) Added (experimental) working command that creates an AIGE Animation from a gif file. (this means that AIGE can use gifs directly).

Animation Directly From GIF
A) Pros
- No animation coding needed

B) Cons
- Solid to gif frame structure (delays are as on gif file)
- Multiple duplicated frames
- Slower creation then normal animation method

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Re: PWLib Casemaker (Released 1.1 at 14/09/2008 11:24PM GMT-3)

Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:09 pm

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There seems to be more cons than pros. I'm not too sure what to think at this point in time now but just know KSA_Tech that I won't be giving up on PWlib.

Ptapcc

EDIT: And I apologize for going to Pywright however ShadowEdgeworth and I were still working with Pwlib. Only that version of ME: AA was on temporary hold due to the sprite issues.

Re: PWLib Casemaker (Released 1.1 at 14/09/2008 11:24PM GMT-3)

Thu Nov 26, 2009 9:32 pm

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Ptapcc wrote:

There seems to be more cons than pros. I'm not too sure what to think at this point in time now but just know KSA_Tech that I won't be giving up on PWlib.

That is because unfortunately there is no universal standard when it comes to GIFs. There is like 4 different ways you can get the desired animation effect. However if you are looking at having a GIF animation turned into a character animation for PWLib, DeMatador does have a topic where he takes these requests (Or you could PM him).

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Re: PWLib Casemaker (Released 1.1 at 14/09/2008 11:24PM GMT-3)

Thu Nov 26, 2009 9:37 pm

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He already has. I'm on them right now.

Re: PWLib Casemaker (Released 1.1 at 14/09/2008 11:24PM GMT-3)

Fri Nov 27, 2009 2:21 am

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Nice, DeMatador.

Also for other people who might need sprites, just let me or DeMatador know.

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After next day 8, I will be free from university (last test), so I might after that quickly finish PWLib 1.2 Demonstration Game and start the Beta.
Also, I'm thinking on making a series of classes about PWLib and some advanced stuff on AIGE.

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Re: PWLib Casemaker (Released 1.1 at 14/09/2008 11:24PM GMT-3)

Fri Nov 27, 2009 4:51 am

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Re: PWLib Casemaker (Released 1.1 at 14/09/2008 11:24PM GMT-3)

Fri Nov 27, 2009 6:11 am

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DDRKhat wrote:

Ptapcc wrote:

There seems to be more cons than pros. I'm not too sure what to think at this point in time now but just know KSA_Tech that I won't be giving up on PWlib.

That is because unfortunately there is no universal standard when it comes to GIFs. There is like 4 different ways you can get the desired animation effect.

Oh I see. That's unfortunate then however hopefully in the future, there will be a change when it comes to GIF Images or something similar is released, though I'm not an expert on graphics and frames so, I'm not too sure.

DeMatador wrote:

He already has. I'm on them right now.

Thanks a lot DeMatador. If the GIF's are a pain, then there is a sprite sheet of DA Grossberg right here.

http://www.court-records.net/customs/Ceres-grossbergsheetFINISHEDATLAST.png (Yes permission has been asked to use these sprites.)

KSA_Tech wrote:

After next day 8, I will be free from university (last test), so I might after that quickly finish PWLib 1.2 Demonstration Game and start the Beta.
Also, I'm thinking on making a series of classes about PWLib and some advanced stuff on AIGE.

Will the demonstration game just be like a case where you'll explore every new feature added to 1.2? Classes about PWlib and advanced stuff on AIGE? Like internet classes?

Ptapcc

Re: PWLib Casemaker (Released 1.1 at 14/09/2008 11:24PM GMT-3)

Fri Nov 27, 2009 12:01 pm

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GIF is a very old format (the latest revision is from 89). It was good back on the old days of the internet where we had 56k (and even slower) modems since they are small.

AIGE can generate the frames out of gifs (and now even the animation skeleton), so I think it is easier to use gifs directly as a base.

The PWLib 1.2 Feature Demonstration Game will demonstrate all features that PWLib has (separated by cases).
The classes idea was something i had some time ago, but ended up not doing it. It would help people to understand how to use pwlib and see more of what it can do.

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Re: PWLib Casemaker (Released 1.1 at 14/09/2008 11:24PM GMT-3)

Sat Nov 28, 2009 9:37 pm

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Sadly, I have failed to make the court transitions more game accurate.
Uhghghghg
Well, unless someone else can do it

Re: PWLib Casemaker (Released 1.1 at 14/09/2008 11:24PM GMT-3)

Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:16 pm

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Why do you say it is game-inaccurate? It's been a while since I last saw it, but I never noticed any inconcinstencies that I recall of.

Re: PWLib Casemaker (Released 1.1 at 14/09/2008 11:24PM GMT-3)

Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:30 am

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It kind of does a smooth slow-moderate slide instead of the sharp fast slide.

Re: PWLib Casemaker (Released 1.1 at 14/09/2008 11:24PM GMT-3)

Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:10 pm

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I'm almost done with the university assignment, so i'll be able to reply to all questions left not answered up until now.

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Re: PWLib Casemaker (Released 1.1 at 14/09/2008 11:24PM GMT-3)

Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:18 am

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Finally, my university assigment is over, so I can concentrate on AIGE and PWLib.

It will take a few days for me to organize what needs to be done before some progress can be made. I have tons of ideas for AIGE (some that might affect pwlib, some that not), as well for PWLib itself.

The Beta Sign In is still open, so there's still time to enter the selection list if you want to try the Beta.

In the meantime, I'm starting a small "contest". PWLib 1.2 Mio Series doesn't have a logo (PWLib has one, but I think that it needs a new version).

The contest is basically:
- Making a new logo for PWLib (a generic one, targeted for all PWLib versions). This will be the official PWLib logo.
- Making a new logo for PWLib Mio Series (using Mio on the logo). This second logo will be used on 1.2.

As for "prize" for the best two logos:
- Be part of the Beta Test (as pre-selected).
- Probably some early release testing of PWLib 1.2.

Entries can be posted on the topic, or PM-ed to me. I might open a submission page on the KSA Technology HQ site.

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Re: PWLib Casemaker (Released 1.1 at 14/09/2008 11:24PM GMT-3)

Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:55 am

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It's good to see you back, KSA. As much as I'd like to see how PWLib 1.2 fares, it would require me switching to a new system, switching back, and the switching again when it's released. I'm just gonna wait for the full 1.2 release.

Anyways, while I was working on ROTP again today, I thought of something:

- The parameter setting on examines does become easier over time, but guessing parameters and testing is quite difficult, especially once the game gets larger and you have to sit through the rest of your game before even getting to test that area.

What I'm suggesting is...

Taking any PW background, and creating a simple, small grid on top of it. From there, write in the X and Y parameters for the areas of the grid, so people have a simple overview and can easily guess about where to place their examine boxes.

Hopefully someone can do this, I may need it soon too!

Can't wait for PWLib 1.2!

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Re: PWLib Casemaker (Released 1.1 at 14/09/2008 11:24PM GMT-3)

Thu Dec 03, 2009 5:14 am

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Using PWLib 1.2 to develop using the 1.1 book won't require any changes.

As I did with AIGE (AHLSL) and PWLib, new versions are compatible with old code. There isn't that issue of "missing command abcd on new version".

As far as I tested, all 1.1 games run smoothly on 1.2 without any single change.

The only change needed is to enable saving to work properly.

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Re: PWLib Casemaker (Released 1.1 at 14/09/2008 11:24PM GMT-3)

Thu Dec 03, 2009 11:34 am

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KSA_Tech wrote:

Finally, my university assigment is over, so I can concentrate on AIGE and PWLib.

It will take a few days for me to organize what needs to be done before some progress can be made. I have tons of ideas for AIGE (some that might affect pwlib, some that not), as well for PWLib itself.

The Beta Sign In is still open, so there's still time to enter the selection list if you want to try the Beta.

In the meantime, I'm starting a small "contest". PWLib 1.2 Mio Series doesn't have a logo (PWLib has one, but I think that it needs a new version).

The contest is basically:
- Making a new logo for PWLib (a generic one, targeted for all PWLib versions). This will be the official PWLib logo.
- Making a new logo for PWLib Mio Series (using Mio on the logo). This second logo will be used on 1.2.

As for "prize" for the best two logos:
- Be part of the Beta Test (as pre-selected).
- Probably some early release testing of PWLib 1.2.

Entries can be posted on the topic, or PM-ed to me. I might open a submission page on the KSA Technology HQ site.

So the logo would be 256 X 384 in pixels? Man, that would be awesome! I wish I was as good as the spriters here in CR. :sadshoe:

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Re: PWLib Casemaker (Released 1.1 at 14/09/2008 11:24PM GMT-3)

Thu Dec 03, 2009 3:43 pm

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Not necessarely (but it must be on the same proportions). The logo will be used in game and on the page too (so a big version would be good as well).

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Re: PWLib Casemaker (Released 1.1 at 14/09/2008 11:24PM GMT-3)

Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:43 pm

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Quick fix:

The logos must be proportional to 256x192.

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Re: PWLib Casemaker (Released 1.1 at 14/09/2008 11:24PM GMT-3)

Thu Dec 03, 2009 5:57 pm

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It's good to hear that no changes will be made from 1.1 to 1.2 for script editors like myself. I filled out the 1.2 sign in sheet on the site, and was directed to a different blank page? Was I successful?

Anyways, it would also be great to see that parameter diagram I mentioned in my last post. Is it possible that it can be made?

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Re: PWLib Casemaker (Released 1.1 at 14/09/2008 11:24PM GMT-3)

Thu Dec 03, 2009 6:44 pm

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Well, Paper, I don't quite understand what you mean. Do you mean adding that grid feature to AIGE/PWLib, or that you need someone to do that for you? I don't quite get it.

KSA, the Editor should have a more graphical interface for this kind of thing. Being able to draw your own examining range over the backgrounds would be very practical. If it can be made, of course.

This reminds me, how did you handle eximining 3D evidence? I don't think parameters would work in a 3D shape... Would they?

Re: PWLib Casemaker (Released 1.1 at 14/09/2008 11:24PM GMT-3)

Thu Dec 03, 2009 6:54 pm

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What I basically mean is if someone with more PWLib knowledge could create something simple like this:

- A single PW background(any)
- On top of the BG, draw out a simple grid(something like 4X4 squares, or 8X8)
- Label a few points on the grid with the appropriate parameters for PWLib

This would be a simple reference for all who want to set parameters for examinations. Since it's difficult to guess and check(mainly, you have to sit through your script every time just to test it), this simple diagram would be an excellent reference/guide for parameter setting.

I'm not demanding it be made, by the way. If either KSA or someone else on the Dev team finds it useful and has time to make such a thing, then I am just proposing the idea. I, for one, would find it very helpful, since guess and check parameter setting has been very annoying for me.

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Re: PWLib Casemaker (Released 1.1 at 14/09/2008 11:24PM GMT-3)

Thu Dec 03, 2009 7:00 pm

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If you mean what I think you mean, can't you just measure out the examine areas in gimp?

Re: PWLib Casemaker (Released 1.1 at 14/09/2008 11:24PM GMT-3)

Thu Dec 03, 2009 7:07 pm

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I'm not sure if it's set to measure out exactly in GIMP, since the game technically has 2 screen lengths, so the X and Y parameters of just one half image would be different from the settings in PWLib.

Also, there's an X and Y parameter for how large the examine area will be, which would be either difficult or impossible to find with GIMP.

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Re: PWLib Casemaker (Released 1.1 at 14/09/2008 11:24PM GMT-3)

Thu Dec 03, 2009 7:13 pm

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Both are pretty easy in gimp. Just grab your rectangular marquee tool, select what you need and all the data appears in the tool options.

As for the multiple screen lengths thing, just add 256 to the X value.

Re: PWLib Casemaker (Released 1.1 at 14/09/2008 11:24PM GMT-3)

Thu Dec 03, 2009 7:18 pm

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Thanks, RJ;D

I'll definitely give it a try right now.

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Re: PWLib Casemaker (Released 1.1 at 14/09/2008 11:24PM GMT-3)

Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:33 pm

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For 3D examination, there is a very special method for defining the areas. I won't post how it is yet, to avoid possible idea copying and stealing.

Making an examine area definition program would be interesting.

PWLib 1.2 Under Development

PWLib Casemaker (Version 1.1) at http://forums.court-records.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=8788

Re: PWLib Casemaker (Released 1.1 at 14/09/2008 11:24PM GMT-3)

Fri Dec 04, 2009 7:25 am

Tap

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I personally haven't tried using examining objects on PWlib however I will soon, so wait for my opinion.

Good news! I can resume progress on AJAA: JA and ME: AA because I now have returned home and have access to my laptop with the files.

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Re: PWLib Casemaker (Released 1.1 at 14/09/2008 11:24PM GMT-3)

Fri Dec 04, 2009 7:52 am

Dubius

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That's weird. When I tried to set the examine points to what I want (and yes, I used GIMP), it's the area that was set before.

First:
157,302,81,23

Changed to:

Next:
177,274,58,44
Help? :think-think-think:

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Re: PWLib Casemaker (Released 1.1 at 14/09/2008 11:24PM GMT-3)

Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:24 pm

ShoySlayer

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Hey! i need help!
Here's my game code:

Code:

[game]
#include(pwlib/pwlib.hlsl)
jumptoscript("setup");
[setup] 
runscript("pw_initpwlib"); 
runscript("pw_initpwbgs"); 
runscript("charcreation"); 
changetitle("PWLib Tutorial Game"); 
jumptoscript("run");
[charcreation]
runscript("pw_createema");
[run]
jumptoscript("enterscene1");
[enterscene1] 
runscript("pw_usepwbgcourthall"); 
runscript("pw_showadvarrowmenu"); 
jumptoscript("scene1");
[scene1] 
runscript("setlipsynctochar"); 
runscript("showpwchar"); 
runscript("pw_showmessagebox"); 
runscript("pw_enableemanormal"); 
runscript("pw_setnameboxtoema"); 
message("Yes!"); 
message("My name is Ema Skye!");

And when i open AIGE, it doesn't work!
Help!

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